Of course Muhammad was a pagan He was born into a pagan family.. All people have to do is read the islamic comentaries .. Unbelieveable that anyone could be so limited in knowedge but come online and believe that everyone else is ignorant to the origins of islam... Muhammad did not become a muslim until he was into his adulthood before that he was a meccan pagan.. Muhammad was the founder of islam.. So no islam before muhammad..
The Covenants Of Mohammed
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"Islam is Hagar , Mt Sinai."
Er, hmmm - not according to Paul ol' bean:
Gal 4:24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
That is the Jerusalem that was around when Paul wrote to Galatians, that went *poof* along with most of Hagar's children in the war of 66-70 AD
Er, hmmm - not according to Paul ol' bean:
Gal 4:24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
That is the Jerusalem that was around when Paul wrote to Galatians, that went *poof* along with most of Hagar's children in the war of 66-70 AD
If violent Islam is indeed fake Islam, then why have Muslims not condemned Radical Islam more forcefully, and why have they continued to encourage and fund Jihadists all over the world? Jihad has flourished only because MUSLIMS have funded it now for almost 40 years, and are continuing to fund it.
Furthermore, these Covenants (if indeed they are genuine and have been made in good faith) are actually in frequent conflict with the Koran itself. There are some verses in the Koran that seem to be accepting of Christians and Jews, but there are others which clearly condemn them as infidels and encourage Muslims to make war on them. Radical Islam (Wahhabists and Salafists) claim that they are following the true Islam, which includes Jihad against all non-Muslims (including migrant invasion as a form of Jihad in order to repopulate non-Muslim countries with Muslims and finally establish Sharia law and the Caliphate).
Sura II. 216 Fighting is ordained for you, even though you dislike it. But it may be that you dislike something while it is good for you, and it may be that you like something while it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.
Sura II. 218 Those who believed, and those who migrated and fought for the sake of Allah—those look forward to Allah’s mercy. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Sura II. 244 Fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Sura III. 12 Say to those who disbelieve, “You will be defeated, and rounded up into Hell—an awful resting-place.
Sura III. 19 Religion with Allah is Islam. Those to whom the Scripture was given differed only after knowledge came to them, out of envy among themselves. Whoever rejects the signs of Allah—Allah is quick to take account.
Sura III. 28 Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless it is to protect your own selves against them. Allah warns you to beware of Him. To Allah is the destiny.
Sura III 151 We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they attribute to Allah partners for which He revealed no sanction. Their lodging is the Fire. Miserable is the lodging of the evildoers.
Furthermore, these Covenants (if indeed they are genuine and have been made in good faith) are actually in frequent conflict with the Koran itself. There are some verses in the Koran that seem to be accepting of Christians and Jews, but there are others which clearly condemn them as infidels and encourage Muslims to make war on them. Radical Islam (Wahhabists and Salafists) claim that they are following the true Islam, which includes Jihad against all non-Muslims (including migrant invasion as a form of Jihad in order to repopulate non-Muslim countries with Muslims and finally establish Sharia law and the Caliphate).
Sura II. 216 Fighting is ordained for you, even though you dislike it. But it may be that you dislike something while it is good for you, and it may be that you like something while it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.
Sura II. 218 Those who believed, and those who migrated and fought for the sake of Allah—those look forward to Allah’s mercy. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Sura II. 244 Fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Sura III. 12 Say to those who disbelieve, “You will be defeated, and rounded up into Hell—an awful resting-place.
Sura III. 19 Religion with Allah is Islam. Those to whom the Scripture was given differed only after knowledge came to them, out of envy among themselves. Whoever rejects the signs of Allah—Allah is quick to take account.
Sura III. 28 Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless it is to protect your own selves against them. Allah warns you to beware of Him. To Allah is the destiny.
Sura III 151 We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they attribute to Allah partners for which He revealed no sanction. Their lodging is the Fire. Miserable is the lodging of the evildoers.
I don't know Nehemiah. I have met peaceful muslims who denounce tafkiri. They are very nice people.
The main reason I posted that was because I thought it was a fantastic thing. Imagine if muslims regard Christians as special, imagine the possibilities for us to witness to them and bring them to a knowledge of Christ our Lord and saviour? (I do believe the Holy Spirit will soon start a great work like this) .
You seem to be one of the few people to even read the piece btw. As for the general vitriol I have gotten for simply mentioning Islam, I do worry for a lot of Christians.
The main reason I posted that was because I thought it was a fantastic thing. Imagine if muslims regard Christians as special, imagine the possibilities for us to witness to them and bring them to a knowledge of Christ our Lord and saviour? (I do believe the Holy Spirit will soon start a great work like this) .
You seem to be one of the few people to even read the piece btw. As for the general vitriol I have gotten for simply mentioning Islam, I do worry for a lot of Christians.
Mt Sinai is outside Egypt in Arabia. Hagar though is Egypt. When the Israelites came out of Egypt they brought Egypt with them.
Paul is describing an Egyptian House of Bondage (law based system) located in Arabia. Ring any bells?
(The Arab peoples, Ishmaelites, were of course the natural children of Hagar, so the Arabs came out of Egypt in that sense)
Paul is describing an Egyptian House of Bondage (law based system) located in Arabia. Ring any bells?
(The Arab peoples, Ishmaelites, were of course the natural children of Hagar, so the Arabs came out of Egypt in that sense)
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Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
(2 Thessalonians 2:5-6)
(2 Thessalonians 2:5-6)
the believers in Thessolonica knew who it is that restrains - Paul told them, in person - and was already at work.
how could that be Mohammed, who wasn't born until about 600 years after that epistle was written?
The Quran and Hadiths, they ALL say that, I want to know what source you use that says he was peaceful. The truth is laid out clearly here by Magenta alone. It's Muslim sources that tell us CLEARLY who Mohammed was and what his plan and intentions were, what in the world are you reading? Honestly I've seen nothing from you but your opinion, and that's WAY wrong.
I have no doubt that there are many peaceful Muslims, and they are probably afraid for their lives if they speak out against the atrocities of the Jihadists.
But as a whole there has been no serious effort by Muslim leaders to say "enough is enough" and actually block Jihad. And the reason could be that the Koran itself urges Jihad. Also, the covenants of Mohammed are nullified by this one verse I have quoted: Sura III 151 We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they attribute to Allah partners for which He revealed no sanction. Their lodging is the Fire. Miserable is the lodging of the evildoers.
Do you realize that this is a reference to the Bible doctrine of the Trinity (where the Son and the Holy Spirit are called "partners")? You will find this clarified further in other parts of the Koran. So what the Koran says is that Bible-believing Christians will be (1) terrorized by Allah, (2) end up in the Lake of Fire and (3) they are evildoers!
Most Muslms probably don't even study the Koran or know about these teachings. But the Radicals do, and they call their peaceful brethren "apostates".
But as a whole there has been no serious effort by Muslim leaders to say "enough is enough" and actually block Jihad. And the reason could be that the Koran itself urges Jihad. Also, the covenants of Mohammed are nullified by this one verse I have quoted: Sura III 151 We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they attribute to Allah partners for which He revealed no sanction. Their lodging is the Fire. Miserable is the lodging of the evildoers.
Do you realize that this is a reference to the Bible doctrine of the Trinity (where the Son and the Holy Spirit are called "partners")? You will find this clarified further in other parts of the Koran. So what the Koran says is that Bible-believing Christians will be (1) terrorized by Allah, (2) end up in the Lake of Fire and (3) they are evildoers!
Most Muslms probably don't even study the Koran or know about these teachings. But the Radicals do, and they call their peaceful brethren "apostates".
Well be glad then and stop bellyaching.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
You asked "which historical sources are you citing?", and I said "the Quran and Hadiths", and then commented how Magenta has been posting them all over to lay out the truth, then pointed out how YOU have used no sources, and that's how you respond? I didn't make any specific claims, just pointed out your hypocrisy. Then you tell me to "get with the program"? The only program presented here it the refutation of your silly claims. I think it would be more helpful if you joined reality and stop with the nonsense you're trying to convince people of with NOTHING at all to build it on other than your imaginary peaceful Islam that you prove with nothing but assertions. Who needs to get with what now?