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Dagallen
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John 5:37 for no one has heard the voice of the Father at any time nor seen his form.
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John 5:37 for no one has heard the voice of the Father at any time nor seen his form.
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Ryan M. Reeves (PhD Cambridge) is Assistant Professor of Historical Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.
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Ryan M. Reeves (PhD Cambridge) is Assistant Professor of Historical Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.
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Professor Ryan Reeves channel, 179 lectures >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA
But Jesus said they had seen Him in Him. It is quite clear. What they had not see was His full glory literally. or His essential form.
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Dagallen
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And don't forget dagallen, Jesus also said this at John 6:46, "Not that any man HAS SEEN THE FATHER EXCEPT HE WHO IS FROM GOD; He hath seen the Father."
So here is my questionj dagallen? It says at Genesis 17:1,2 the following: "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD APPEARED to Abram and said to him, "I AM GOD ALMIGHTY; Walk before Me, and be blameless. vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." Who appeared to Abram dagallen?
IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen
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Did Abram see him and live ? For no one can look upon God and live, so who did Abram see ?And don't forget dagallen, Jesus also said this at John 6:46, "Not that any man HAS SEEN THE FATHER EXCEPT HE WHO IS FROM GOD; He hath seen the Father."
So here is my questionj dagallen? It says at Genesis 17:1,2 the following: "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD APPEARED to Abram and said to him, "I AM GOD ALMIGHTY; Walk before Me, and be blameless. vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." Who appeared to Abram dagallen?
IN GOD THE SON,
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Of course Abraham lived dagallen. Man cannot see God's full "Shekinah Glory or in His fullness" And remember the verse I just gave at John 6:46 where it says, "Not that any man hath see the Father," So again, who did Abraham see that is clearly identified as God Almighty at Genesis 17:1? And keep in mind I am asking you the question? I already the answer so please tell me your answer and why?
IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen
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Of course Abraham lived dagallen. Man cannot see God's full "Shekinah Glory or in His fullness" And remember the verse I just gave at John 6:46 where it says, "Not that any man hath see the Father," So again, who did Abraham see that is clearly identified as God Almighty at Genesis 17:1? And keep in mind I am asking you the question? I already the answer so please tell me your answer and why?
IN GOD THE SON,
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The only one who had seen the Father was his only begotten Son. John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, the Son has declared him.
what it means when the scriptures say "for no man has yet seen God" is that no man on earth has seen God in his true glory in the beatific vision not even Moses at Mt. Sinai saw this but Moses and Abraham and many others did indeed see God but not in the fullness of his sacred essence this is why such statements are not conflicting
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Dagallen
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The Son is the image of his Father, doesn't make the Son the Father himself. If you saw my son, you would see the image of me, without seeing me because my son is not me.
Since that is true then who must have physically appeared to Abraham that claimed He was God Almighty? It cannot be God the Father so who else could it be?
IN GOD THE SON,
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No one says that Jesus is the Father, but Jesus Christ is God and the Father is God. That is why he who has seen Him has seen the Father. They have seen GOD, the ONE God, although revealed in Threeness.
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Dagallen
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You continue to stumble over Bible truth instead of simply believing that the Godhead ( ONE God) is in fact three distinct Divine Persons, and you will NEVER figure out the Mystery of God. You can either believe it to your salvation, or disbelieve it to your eternal damnation.
No dagallen. Look at it this way? Man's nature is that of human and every man woman and child has the nature of human. You are a "distinct" person from your mother or father and other humans yet you all share the same exact nature. If I were looking at you I would be seeing you, not your father or mother.
God's nature is that of deity and His nature is what separates Him from all that is not deity. So when I look at Jesus Christ I'm looking at God the Son. I am not looking at God the Father because God the Father cannot be seen. I can't even be looking at God the Holy Spirit because He cannot be seen.
So when Jesus Christ told Philp at John 14:9, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" He did not mean that He/Jesus is God the Father. Jesus Christ is God the Son because Jesus Christ is the ONE AND ONLY physical manifestation of God the Father. They are "NOT" two gods or three gods they are three distinct persons of the One God just like you a distinct person from your parents but what you have in common (like I said) is you have the same nature.
IN GOD THE SON,
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Dagallen
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God is singleness not threeness. God is singleness, is the true Christian belief, God is threeness is a Pagan belief, as the Christian belief intertwines with a Pagan belief, that's the trinity concept.
No. it is the heretical belief. God is single and Threeness. He talks with Himself, Father to Son and Spirit, He would have been very lonely before creation otherwise
Or are you suggesting Jesus, and Paul, and Peter etc were pagan? lol