Woman Who Badgered Boyfriend into Suicide Gets 15 months in Jail

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seed_time_harvest

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If that were true prisons would've been shrinking, not growing.
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You have a point,I agree that we live In an Insensitive world.It seems locking someone up for talking someone Into doing something horrible and final as suicide would be a deterrent but Instead It's not.

Do you have any suggestions of what should be done.

What If the poor guy were your brother?Would you say the same thing?:)
 
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Threads like this are trash. It isn't our job to sit and talk about what someone deserves as if we hold the scales in perfection
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::eek:Neverthless we posted In this so called trash thread.
 
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I'd agree if this particular case wasn't specific to sociopaths whose attitudes can't be changed by a threat. I'm honestly not sure what a fair sentence is for what that girl did because of how strange it is legally. But I guess now there's a standard, ~2 year jail time if you persuade someone to commit suicide.
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Yes,for a society to have some semblance of discipline ,we need a standard of order.
 
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You have a point,I agree that we live In an Insensitive world.It seems locking someone up for talking someone Into doing something horrible and final as suicide would be a deterrent but Instead It's not.

Do you have any suggestions of what should be done.

What If the poor guy were your brother?Would you say the same thing?:)
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Yes, I would expect punishment in prison. But that's not to say I expect that time in prison will deter anything. Or change the one responsible. Merely that they are held accountable.
So yes, I would say the same thing.
We can find ways to minimize crime, but not stop it. Look at countries with extreme punishments. Even they still have crime. But the ideal way is to prevent a person from going that path to begin with. Then the issue arises of finding those capable of putting such things into action. And further yet, the inevitable misuse of such methods.
If we expect real change we need to bring people to God.
 
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I deduced that that was the way you were thinking.
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Far from being lenient, my efforts have been expended toward "effective" solutions to crime, rather than just vindictive penal incarceration.
 
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I can't believe there are people, mostly conservatives I find in Facebook, who disagree with the fact that she should be in jail. Basically people's arguments are that he did it himself and you telling a person to do it should not be a crime. Yes he did it, but he was also mentally ill and she urged him constantly to the point he was almost forced too. She is a horrible person and should be locked up for more years.
 
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I have experienced both jail and prison. And, I worked in our State's largest Mental Hospital for 6 years. I can tell you one thing for a fact...... If anyone comes out of prison a better person, it is NOT because of the prison time, but in spite of it.

Likewise, not all that happens to patients at Mental Hospitals is productively positive. But, the chances of a recovered life from hospitalization far surpasses the dismal opportunities that prison affords.

But, the real question is.... Do most of us cry for incarceration out of a hope for change in the person sent to prison, or just for punishment that satisfies our own desire for vengeance?
 
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I can't believe there are people, mostly conservatives I find in Facebook, who disagree with the fact that she should be in jail. Basically people's arguments are that he did it himself and you telling a person to do it should not be a crime. Yes he did it, but he was also mentally ill and she urged him constantly to the point he was almost forced too. She is a horrible person and should be locked up for more years.
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Yeah, but the debate isn't the ethics of what she did, it's the legality. Justice isn't about locking up "horrible people" it's about enforcing the law, and if she didn't break any laws then she simply shouldn't go to prison.

The last thing you want is for anyone who negatively associated with a disturbed teenager to get pinned with manslaughter if he/she commits suicide.
 
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I have experienced both jail and prison. And, I worked in our State's largest Mental Hospital for 6 years. I can tell you one thing for a fact...... If anyone comes out of prison a better person, it is NOT because of the prison time, but in spite of it.

Likewise, not all that happens to patients at Mental Hospitals is productively positive. But, the chances of a recovered life from hospitalization far surpasses the dismal opportunities that prison affords.

But, the real question is.... Do most of us cry for incarceration out of a hope for change in the person sent to prison, or just for punishment that satisfies our own desire for vengeance?
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I think a lot of people tend to confuse Justice was vengeance. A lot of people are in prison because they deserve to be there
 
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Yeah, but the debate isn't the ethics of what she did, it's the legality. Justice isn't about locking up "horrible people" it's about enforcing the law, and if she didn't break any laws then she simply shouldn't go to prison.

The last thing you want is for anyone who negatively associated with a disturbed teenager to get pinned with manslaughter if he/she commits suicide.
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Yes, there's that issue, too. We don't seem to be too far from the day when teachers will be held liable for one of their students committing suicide. "If I can blame you, then I don't have to look at what I might have been able to do."
 
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I think a lot of people tend to confuse Justice was vengeance. A lot of people are in prison because they deserve to be there
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That's interesting.
Do you know what "Justice" is in the Bible?

It is most often expressed as "making things right again." Not, "paying someone back", or "getting even."
 
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That's interesting.
Do you know what "Justice" is in the Bible?

It is most often expressed as "making things right again." Not, "paying someone back", or "getting even."
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Whatever a man soweth that also shall he reap.
 
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the 'proof' can only be in a person's heart', Jesus Knows...
 
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I think a lot of people tend to confuse Justice was vengeance. A lot of people are in prison because they deserve to be there
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One of the goals of criminal punishment is retribution and by definition it's punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act. However there are other goals which people ignore like restorative justice and rehabilitation. Some don't want guys to change, just for the to stay in prison.
 
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the 'proof' can only be in a person's heart', Jesus Knows...
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True,a person might get away with horrible morals before men because men look at what they can understand with one or more of their five senses what they can see,taste,hear,smell or feel but they can't get away from GOD whom looks at the heart.

Nevertheless since man can't judge someone's heart felt Intentions we still need laws In society that keep order.
 
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It's plain to see Miss Carter was (likely still is) is morally debased and mentally disturbed. There is also very little doubt she influenced Roy's decision.

But I'll have to part with just about everybody else. I think this is a dangerous legal precedent for free speech.
 
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It's plain to see Miss Carter was (likely still is) is morally debased and mentally disturbed. There is also very little doubt she influenced Roy's decision.

But I'll have to part with just about everybody else. I think this is a dangerous legal precedent for free speech.
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We're creeping toward empowering the "Thought Police."
 
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Socreta93 said:
One of the goals of criminal punishment is retribution and by definition it's punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act. However there are other goals which people ignore like restorative justice and rehabilitation. Some don't want guys to change, just for the to stay in prison.
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If there's no punishment then there's no incentive for people not to commit crimes.
 
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