Are you RIGHTEOUS?

[followjesus]

Concerning Righteousness. The Word of God is TRUE.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Those who DO righteousness are Righteous, EXACTLY like the above Holy Inspired by God Scriptures teaches.
Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin are of the devil, EXACTLY like the above Holy Inspired by God Scriptures teaches. And ALL Scriptures are instructions to Righteousness. Those who have Jesus living inside of them have the Power and Strength to destroy ALL the works of the devil through Jesus who is in them. But woe to them who claim they know Jesus and that Jesus lives in them, yet these same freely choose to obey satan and continue to live in sins, never ceasing from them. What does Scriptures call those who can't cease from sin?

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Can you cease from sin? If Jesus were your Strength and Power against Every temptation, then that answer is "YES"
Can you cease from sin? If you continue to knowingly and willingly do those things which you KNOW is sinful and against Jesus Christ, but freely choose to continue to do that sin, and don't want to cease from doing that particular sin, then you will not cease from living in sin.
Can you cease from sin? Not if you believe it is not possible or you don't have to, then you will never attain it.
Those who Truly desire to walk in the light as Jesus did, can do it with His help. But who WANTS to "Go and Sin No More"? Who is willing to give up that sin that they so much love and enjoy doing? Cursed children. Not merely because they can't cease from sin, but because they freely choose to continue to live in sin.

Those who do righteousness are Righteous.
Those who do UNrighteousness are children of the devil.
Your Master and Lord is to whom you obey. Do you obey Jesus when you are tempted to commit sin, or do you just deny His Power and Strength to overcome that temptation? And why do you deny Christ, because you WANT to commit that sin. For who willingly commits a sin that they don't want to commit? These want to obey satan, and still think they are on the narrow and difficult path that leads to Eternal Life, they will hold on to any particular verse that they THINK allows them to continue to live in sin and still be SAVED.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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agreed Dave.


sometimes we try to say righteousness is imputed, and then make what we do now having received His Holy spirit ( which is the power of righteousness) is of no consequence. sort of Like saying ive had His righteousness imputed so now what i do doesnt matter, i need not concern myself with my actions anymore because God already sees me as perfect Having been imputed His righteousness.......


thats simply not How it works. to Know we have been given righteousness doesnt then mean its not an actual righteousness that is exhibited in our actions. i suppose if one is Just learning about righteousness first they would need to Hear about His righteosuenss imparted to us, at some point however the Words turns us to look at How we are living in relationship to His righteousness. in the end what We do in response to all He has already done is what matters. righteous IS as righteous Does.

if we look at it as our actions dont affect it, then we are getting led astray i suppose if one is trying to convince themself that they are a new creation, they need to focus on that, the error comes when the rest is rejected thinking the imputation is the end when its the first understanding needed to Move in to real righteousness regarding our Lives and deeds.

 

[joaniemarie]

agreed Dave.


sometimes we try to say righteousness is imputed, and then make what we do now having received His Holy spirit ( which is the power of righteousness) is of no consequence. sort of Like saying ive had His righteousness imputed so now what i do doesnt matter, i need not concern myself with my actions anymore because God already sees me as perfect Having been imputed His righteousness.......


thats simply not How it works. to Know we have been given righteousness doesnt then mean its not an actual righteousness that is exhibited in our actions. i suppose if one is Just learning about righteousness first they would need to Hear about His righteosuenss imparted to us, at some point however the Words turns us to look at How we are living in relationship to His righteousness. in the end what We do in response to all He has already done is what matters. righteous IS as righteous Does.

if we look at it as our actions dont affect it, then we are getting led astray i suppose if one is trying to convince themself that they are a new creation, they need to focus on that, the error comes when the rest is rejected thinking the imputation is the end when its the first understanding needed to Move in to real righteousness regarding our Lives and deeds.

Don't you find it odd and even drastically wrong that the "only" person who is "sort of like saying" we Christians who believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ believe what we are doing in life no longer matters? Because brother., that is exactly what you have done. And you should not do that. None of us who have upheld and posted about the imputed righteousness of Christ here have said we are not constrained to follow Christ.

The truth is we long to follow Jesus even more., and we seek daily to follow Him more than we did when we feared the law. We believers who hold up the grace of God in Christ do so knowing that we love God ONLY because He first loved us. That we are loved IN Christ due to Christ's goodness and not ours. This shows us that His grace is poured out on us and our response is JOY in the Holy Spirit as those rivers of living waters flow in and through us. Just as Jesus promised it would for those who believe and rely on Him in John 7:38-39

We have gotten some idea of what unconditional love means and that knowing about grace (as Nehemiah has just posted) teaches us. The grace of God teaches us. Please read what is being said instead of putting meanings to words that were not there.

 

[followjesus]

Billy, the word imputed is not a biblical term, it was a bad translation of the Greek. If you examine Romans 3 you will see the same Greek word translated as reckoned several times.... The idea of imputation by transfer of virtue was invented by layers during the reformation, and after 500 years of this myth it is cemented in the minds of billions like garnet bedrock, however it is not built upon the Rock of truth...... remember truth is not popular, and is not a driving force in the world...the correct translation is reckoned, accounted, or numbered among as based on what works one does, either the works of righteousness, or the works of sin....be blessed

the whole idea of changing the filhty garments for clean ones or "taking off the old man and putting on the new" doesnt begin with paul as you probably already Know wb, and it doesnt exclude our obedience and is really distorted through Modern doctrines it actually starts in the prophet Zechariahs vision of what was coming in the gospel.

Zechariah 3

And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5And I said, Let them set a fair mitre ( a bishops head dress)upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.
6And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, 7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
8Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. 9For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.


We Know who the High priest is, we Know who the Branch is ( Isaiah 11, isaiah 9, jeremiah 23:5 just to name a few places) and we Know who the rock that has the seven eyes, that is before the Lord and what those eyes represent ( revelation 5:6, zechariah 4:2, v10) we Know Who" thy fellows" that are wondered at are.(Isaiah 8:18, hebrews 2:13 Hebrews 1:9) its without a doubt a reference to Jesus and the Children He presents to God.. and walking in the Lords ways is part of the covenant clearly. we understand what is meant with cleansing the iniquity in One day means, Hebrews 9:15, romans 3:25 ) iniquity beforehand being cleansed doesnt then mean were not commanded to walk in the ways of the Lord.


then when zechariah 6 is taken into account....

zechariah 6:11-15 "Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest; 12And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: 13Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. 14And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the LORD. 15And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.

always it has been about the Lord forgiving and then saying " Obey me, Keep my word" its been this way with God from abraham forward. even the law of moses God would grant Grace and forgiveness, and then say obey Me because destruction will come if you do not, Just like Jesus says, Just like the apostles say. yes were forgiven and Have been made capable to walk right by the Holy spirit, its on us at this point to operate within whats been supplied, if we do not, its Not Gods fault whats coming to us.

 

[followjesus]

Don't you find it odd and even drastically wrong that the "only" person who is "sort of like saying" we Christians who believe in the imputed righteousness of Christ believe what we are doing in life no longer matters? Because brother., that is exactly what you have done. And you should not do that. None of us who have upheld and posted about the imputed righteousness of Christ here have said we are not constrained to follow Christ.

The truth is we long to follow Jesus even more., and we seek daily to follow Him more than we did when we feared the law. We believers who hold up the grace of God in Christ do so knowing that we love God ONLY because He first loved us. That we are loved IN Christ due to Christ's goodness and not ours. This shows us that His grace is poured out on us and our response is JOY in the Holy Spirit as those rivers of living waters flow in and through us. Just as Jesus promised it would for those who believe and rely on Him in John 7:38-39

We have gotten some idea of what unconditional love means and that knowing about grace (as Nehemiah has just posted) teaches us. The grace of God teaches us. Please read what is being said instead of putting meanings to words that were not there.

would you like a good biblical account of "saved By Grace, through faith? God has never changed.

Genesis 6:10 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD"

Genesis 6:13-21 "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. [FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]....[/FONT]Make thee an ark of gopher wood; ....God then Gives noah the detailed instructions to build the ark, He tells Him all He needs to Know, has supplied all the materials He needs. then Noah does this Genesis 6:22 "Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

this is what Hebrews is saying about this

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."


Thats the meaning of saved By Grace, through Faith. Jesus gave us the warning of things not yet seen that are coming to destroy the earth, and He also supplied all we need. if we dont understand How much He loves us....we dont understand Jesus dying on the cross. im sorry, but salvation is not unconditional, it is by the condition of Him who died in our place. and His condition is Just Like Moses received, weve been warned and instructed by the Grace of God, and Jesus died as raised and sent His spirit to give us all we need to prepare for the " flood" that is coming. we have no more excuses, if we Believe Jesus we will act upon those beliefs and be saved.


by Grace, through Faith. Paul wasnt inventing things, He was speaking from the scriptures He knew thoroughly. God does Love us, He sent His only begotten Son to suffer immensly, who did no wrong, was lied about, slandered , rejected By His own People, was condemned By the High priest of Gods Law, was beaten by the priests spit on, handed over to the romans , Beaten and mocked again and spit on, was condemned by all the people when pilate offered them His freedom, they chose a murderer and shouted all the louder about Jesus " crucify Him! crucify Him" Jesus who had gone about Healing them and thier families, He was then flogged by the roman guard notoriously vicious in floggings, He was then led as a common criminal worhtyu of death, made a public spectacle for onlookers to mock and point at, He then Had nails driven through His hands and feet, and raised up for those to continue mocking while His blood spilled down the rugged Cross where He hung naked all of our sin was placed upon His innocent flesh, He hung there 6 hours as an abomination to the beloved of God...forgiving them


if Gods Love is not seen in that, No one will ever understand it, thats the Limit of Gods Love, the greatest Love ever shown by far. the same Who did all of that said over and over and over Hear my words, Keep my words I have Loved you, Obey my commands keep my words............


it is not a question of How much God Loves us, its a question of whther we Love Jesus in return, thats salvation.

 

[OneFaith]

Whoever does what is right is righteous. No one does what is right 100% of the time, still there exists those who do right most of the time, and God calls them 'righteous' and the ones who do wrong most of the time He calls 'unrighteous'.

So yeah, I am righteous. But just because you're righteous does not mean you're automatically saved. Even one sin will keep you out of heaven if not covered by Christ's blood. There are not only two groups (righteous and unrighteousness), there's another, much smaller group called 'the obedient'. This is not the Elect of God, but the Very Elect of God. And this is the only group who will receive life-saving grace. Our obedience does not, and cannot earn salvation, but this is the only group He's going to give it to.

"For if it's hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

 

[laura_charlotte]

I hope to challenge many here in the Bible forum to consider this and see how different your Christian life will be when you are actually looking to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

When I first opened this thread after viewing the title initially I thought I was going to see a simplistic, abrupt topic about inane concepts like expertise or labels that we've been getting a slew of lately and I'm so glad it wasn't. This is a fantastic, thought provoking, in depth discussion that not only challenges the forum but the beliefs of the individuals themselves who perhaps have other things to learn outside of their predetermined concepts on faith. Thanks for posting, keep up the great work.

 

[joaniemarie]

would you like a good biblical account of "saved By Grace, through faith? God has never changed.

Genesis 6:10 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD"

Genesis 6:13-21 "And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. ....Make thee an ark of gopher wood; ....God then Gives noah the detailed instructions to build the ark, He tells Him all He needs to Know, has supplied all the materials He needs. then Noah does this Genesis 6:22 "Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

this is what Hebrews is saying about this

Hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."


Thats the meaning of saved By Grace, through Faith. Jesus gave us the warning of things not yet seen that are coming to destroy the earth, and He also supplied all we need. if we dont understand How much He loves us....we dont understand Jesus dying on the cross. im sorry, but salvation is not unconditional, it is by the condition of Him who died in our place. and His condition is Just Like Moses received, weve been warned and instructed by the Grace of God, and Jesus died as raised and sent His spirit to give us all we need to prepare for the " flood" that is coming. we have no more excuses, if we Believe Jesus we will act upon those beliefs and be saved.


by Grace, through Faith. Paul wasnt inventing things, He was speaking from the scriptures He knew thoroughly. God does Love us, He sent His only begotten Son to suffer immensly, who did no wrong, was lied about, slandered , rejected By His own People, was condemned By the High priest of Gods Law, was beaten by the priests spit on, handed over to the romans , Beaten and mocked again and spit on, was condemned by all the people when pilate offered them His freedom, they chose a murderer and shouted all the louder about Jesus " crucify Him! crucify Him" Jesus who had gone about Healing them and thier families, He was then flogged by the roman guard notoriously vicious in floggings, He was then led as a common criminal worhtyu of death, made a public spectacle for onlookers to mock and point at, He then Had nails driven through His hands and feet, and raised up for those to continue mocking while His blood spilled down the rugged Cross where He hung naked all of our sin was placed upon His innocent flesh, He hung there 6 hours as an abomination to the beloved of God...forgiving them


if Gods Love is not seen in that, No one will ever understand it, thats the Limit of Gods Love, the greatest Love ever shown by far. the same Who did all of that said over and over and over Hear my words, Keep my words I have Loved you, Obey my commands keep my words............


it is not a question of How much God Loves us, its a question of whther we Love Jesus in return, thats salvation.

You have it backwards brother!! It is ALWAYS ALWAYS about how much God loves us in Christ. It's not about you or me it's always about Jesus. The Holy Spirit points to Jesus and we honor the Father when we honor the Son. It always always goes back to Jesus.

The Bible says this.... "Here in is Love... not that we loved God but that He loved us...and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins." It's always about Jesus., by Him and for Him.... all things consist and hold together

John 1:1-18

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made through him; and without him [SUP][a][/SUP]was not anything made that hath been made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness [SUP][b][/SUP]apprehended it not.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light.

[SUP]9 [/SUP][SUP][c][/SUP]There was the true light, even the light which lighteth [SUP][d][/SUP]every man, coming into the world.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto [SUP][e][/SUP]his own, and they that were his own received him not.

[SUP]


12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]who were [SUP][f][/SUP]born, not of [SUP][g][/SUP]blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.



[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word became flesh, and [SUP][h][/SUP]dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of [SUP][i][/SUP]the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]John beareth witness of him, and crieth, saying, [SUP][j][/SUP]This was he of whom I said, He that cometh after me is become before me: for he was [SUP][k][/SUP]before me.

[SUP]


16 [/SUP]For of his fulness we all received, and [SUP][l][/SUP]grace for grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.






[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man hath seen God at any time; [SUP][m][/SUP]the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.








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[joaniemarie]

Whoever does what is right is righteous. No one does what is right 100% of the time, still there exists those who do right most of the time, and God calls them 'righteous' and the ones who do wrong most of the time He calls 'unrighteous'.

So yeah, I am righteous. But just because you're righteous does not mean you're automatically saved. Even one sin will keep you out of heaven if not covered by Christ's blood. There are not only two groups (righteous and unrighteousness), there's another, much smaller group called 'the obedient'. This is not the Elect of God, but the Very Elect of God. And this is the only group who will receive life-saving grace. Our obedience does not, and cannot earn salvation, but this is the only group He's going to give it to.

"For if it's hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

Hello Onefaith., I'm re-posting the 1st post of the OP because it goes into the question about whose righteousness we are to be looking at and why it isn't ours. Why it can't be ours. And why even in the last verse you put up (please post the chapter and vs) about if the righteous barely get saved.. There is a proper interpretation to that verse and it doesn't confound or contradict the Scriptures that say Jesus is our righteousness. I don't have my concordance with me at work here.

 

[joaniemarie]

Not so long ago I was first introduced to what that means even though I've been a believer since 1982. It's being IN Christ having Jesus be "our Person" standing in "for us". After that, it's a daily journey about seeing just how much Jesus actually stands in for us. Many Christians are like I was and still proceeded a head in life in and about "self"

When we were not saved., Adam was our stand-in guy. We went before God in Adam and were not even in God's beloved family. So all our righteousness's were as filthy rags. We didn't even do anything but be born and live and become aware of God. We didn't do any good things or bad things we were just in Adam and outside of Christ. So when we heard the Gospel of our salvation that Jesus went on the cross on our behalf and died shedding His blood we learned He paid for all our sins making us totally worthy to go before the Father and to be recipients of His grace and truth forever after.

I was reading yet again of how majorly important the knowledge of being righteous IN Christ is. Actually I read it daily and because it is so shockingly unearthly I often forget it in my human self if I don't read it daily and allow the Holy Spirit to minister to my spirit that I am a son of God. But the Bible says to be aware of Christ's obedience at the cross. Most of us are living lives of being aware of our own obedience.

We have been taught to look at 'our' obedience and it has become a religious past time. Actually it is fought about among people who are Christians every day. I see it on these forums on CC all the time and actually whenever I come here the forums are slathered with believers who fight to look at their own righteousness and want others to look at their own righteousness. And even believe it's unholy to look to Christ's obedience and not our own as our pass port to God's hand in everything we are and do in our lives here while on earth.

In reading yesterdays devotional it reminded me yet again and I neeed to be reminded again and again because in my humaness I am distorted and negative. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 10:5

Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

That verse does not mean as most of us have been taught from day one in our Christian lives to cast down arguments and evil things by learning to think like Jesus. No., that comes later. What that verse does mean is when we fail., when life is fearful and when things in this world become and are overwhelming bigger than our ability to fix in all areas of our lives personally., corporately and universally., the answer is to bring our thoughts into captivity and think instead about the obedience of Christ. Romans 5:19 says;

For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Many of us continue to be mislead into thinking it's by our obedience we have been made righteous. I see the devil do this all the time with people of faith. he wants us to look at ourselves and then he can freely condemn us because who knows better than us how loathsome we really are? Yet., because we are not IN Christ and 100% righteous and 100% IN the family now we are no longer our standard. Adam is no longer our standard bearer. Jesus is. There is no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1-2 Because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

This truth will free the persons who take it to live a life of faith. And in that we will bear a lot of fruit because it's the fruit of the Spirit not the fruit of the flesh. In living by the Spirit we will be walking testimonies of what Jesus has done in our lives and the good works come as an effect of our right standing IN Christ. Not our right standing in ourselves.

I hope to challenge many here in the Bible forum to consider this and see how different your Christian life will be when you are actually looking to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Reposting the OP.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Hello Onefaith., I'm re-posting the 1st post of the OP because it goes into the question about whose righteousness we are to be looking at and why it isn't ours. Why it can't be ours.

Something which many Christians forget is that (1) when we are JUSTIFIED we receive the righteousness of Christ but (2) while we are being SANCTIFIED it is God the Holy Spirit who is working in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. (Philippians 2:12,13)

Which means that none of us can produce our own righteousness at any point, and when God sees our righteousnesses, they appear as "filthy rags".

 

[stonesoffire]

agreed Dave.


sometimes we try to say righteousness is imputed, and then make what we do now having received His Holy spirit ( which is the power of righteousness) is of no consequence. sort of Like saying ive had His righteousness imputed so now what i do doesnt matter, i need not concern myself with my actions anymore because God already sees me as perfect Having been imputed His righteousness.......


thats simply not How it works. to Know we have been given righteousness doesnt then mean its not an actual righteousness that is exhibited in our actions. i suppose if one is Just learning about righteousness first they would need to Hear about His righteosuenss imparted to us, at some point however the Words turns us to look at How we are living in relationship to His righteousness. in the end what We do in response to all He has already done is what matters. righteous IS as righteous Does.

if we look at it as our actions dont affect it, then we are getting led astray i suppose if one is trying to convince themself that they are a new creation, they need to focus on that, the error comes when the rest is rejected thinking the imputation is the end when its the first understanding needed to Move in to real righteousness regarding our Lives and deeds.

Upright fJ...after imputed righteousness one may walk upright, character being formed in His image. We need to understand that an upright life is a moral life. But, has nothing to do with the imputed righteousness which is a position.

 

[maverich]

what did i do to be born in sin

 

[Zi]

Because of the position we should uphold being upright as most important. Jesus is not coming back for a bride who hasn't behaved like one. He wants a glorious unblemished, no spot no wrinkle bride.

Upright fJ...after imputed righteousness one may walk upright, character being formed in His image. We need to understand that an upright life is a moral life. But, has nothing to do with the imputed righteousness which is a position.

 

[BillG]

what did i do to be born in sin

I hope I can say what I want to say.

We are not born into sin within ourselves.
So there is nothing we did to be born into sin.

We however have been born into a world that is sinful. As a result of Adam and Eve.
To he honest I do struggle with this, they got it wrong so why is it my fault?

But it seems apparent that as a result we will sin.

I have 4 kids, love them dearly but the natural tendency is to sin despite the truth we try to install.

The fact is they do sin.
They, me are responsible for our own sin.

So we have not been born in sin but we will sin.

After Adam only one person was not in sin and that's Jesus.
Thats why he cam to set us free from sin, the last Adam as such.
it is Jesus who intercedes for us.

 

[maverich]

after reading all this, looks like it will be me and Jesus and maybe a few more, in heaven

you can teach whatever you want, but you can't be any more than what you are

to deny Jesus, and what he is and acomplished, is nnot only blasphemy, but nit wittery,

When The Father looks at me, he sees the blood of Jesus. Jesus is my righteousness, not church not bible notyou and that is why I am THE LONE RANGER

 

[stonesoffire]

what did i do to be born in sin

not a thing.

 

[stonesoffire]

after reading all this, looks like it will be me and Jesus and maybe a few more, in heaven

you can teach whatever you want, but you can't be any more than what you are

to deny Jesus, and what he is and acomplished, is nnot only blasphemy, but nit wittery,

When The Father looks at me, he sees the blood of Jesus. Jesus is my righteousness, not church not bible notyou and that is why I am THE LONE RANGER

I agree with you on imputed righteousness. Our good doesn't get us anything with God, for only He is truly good. Our motives are selfish in our human nature. His are pure.

But, I hope you are wrong about how many will be in heaven.

 

[stonesoffire]

Because of the position we should uphold being upright as most important. Jesus is not coming back for a bride who hasn't behaved like one. He wants a glorious unblemished, no spot no wrinkle bride.

Ive heard that spots and wrinkles could be wrong teachings and doctrines. A pure heart fixed on Him? Like eyes on Him only?

I dont know.

 

[maverich]

I hope I can say what I want to say.

We are not born into sin within ourselves.
So there is nothing we did to be born into sin.

We however have been born into a world that is sinful. As a result of Adam and Eve.
To he honest I do struggle with this, they got it wrong so why is it my fault?

But it seems apparent that as a result we will sin.

I have 4 kids, love them dearly but the natural tendency is to sin despite the truth we try to install.

The fact is they do sin.
They, me are responsible for our own sin.

So we have not been born in sin but we will sin.

After Adam only one person was not in sin and that's Jesus.
Thats why he cam to set us free from sin, the last Adam as such.
it is Jesus who intercedes for us.

we are born into sin, a geneetic defect. that is why we must be born again to seee the kiingdom of heaven. In our hearts, at birth we hhave no recollection of our home which is heaven. we therefore think this world is all there is and we live accordingly.

Jesus came to remind all of us that we are not from here, some embrace, his sacrifice, and some are still at the tower of babel seeking to build their way to heaven. Jesuss said I knew you before the foundation of the earth.

Believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved, or in his words reborn.

To think that I was given something i diddn't deserve, is beyond wonderful.

to think that one needs to earn a gift that freely given is unbelievable.

THE LONE RANGER

 

[BillG]

Because of the position we should uphold being upright as most important. Jesus is not coming back for a bride who hasn't behaved like one. He wants a glorious unblemished, no spot no wrinkle bride.

Really?

my bride, my wife hasn't always acted as a bride, she's not unblemished or without wrinkle (wrinkles happen as we get older)

I still love my bride though, and will always love her.

Now before anyone storms on me I aint a great husband either, lots of spots and wrinkles but she loves me as well.

To me Jesus is coming back for his bride warts and all.

I may have got you wrong but you seem to infer that when he comes back unless you are not blemished and without wrinkle then you are not his bride.