Not By Works

[mailmandan]

I don't really care about the SDA Church.
What I care about is individuals.

Do you see me asking LoveGodForever if he's saved?
Or HOW he thinks salvation is achieved?

NO.

Because it should be apparent that he is.
That's all I'm interested in.

If I did not care about individuals, then I would not even bother to share the Gospel with them. Sometimes it's necessary to ask the tough questions. Don't be so naive about people and false religions.

 

[LoveGodForever]

More long winded SDA propaganda. You are not fooling me for a second or any other genuine believers on CC. Numerous other people (including those who were former Sabbath-day observers for many years, which includes Ex-SDA'a on Christian Forums who are familiar with the arguments for and against it have been trying to reach you with the truth as well, but sadly, you stubbornly refuse to accept the truth.

Hey mailmandan,

How are you today? Don't be upset my friend because I share the Word of God with you and you cannot answer it. This is my own bible study and belongs to no one else. No one at any forum has yet to answer this as no one here. Please by all means go ahead and answer this post if you can. Here I will add it for you. Please go ahead and copy and paste if you like from any forum or website if you can't answer it. I am happy to discuss it with you if you like?

Col 2:14-17,
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day(s): 17, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The context is verse 14 which is the blotting out of the handwriting of ordinances to the cross. What is the handwriting of ordinances that were nailed to the cross? The Greek work used here is δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree; V16 Omit “the”not used in the Greek; Sabbath days is plural; Sabbaton meaning cease from secular work; rest)

Scripture points:

· Blotting out or nailing the handwriting of ordinances to the cross (v14)
· The cross triumphing over principalities and powers (v 15)
· No one to Judge you in meat and drink, holy days, new moon of the sabbath day(s) (v16)
· Which are a Shadow of things to come (v17)

ordinance.

So it is clear the context of Col 2:16-17 is the completion of the civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws of Moses which the writer says is finished and nailed to the cross.

Here is the actual Greek to English translation of the Col 2:16-17 verses from the interlinear:

16 Not therefore anyone you let judge in regards to food or in regards to drink or in regards to a feast (or festival) or a new moon or a Sabbath (plural). 17 which are a shadow of things coming but body of Christ.

The word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - in the Greek means a "feast" or "festival;"
Now, notice the key context within Col 2:16-17; No one is to judge you in regards to meat or drink, a feast (festival), or of the New Moon or of sabbath(s).

The Greek word for sabbath used G4521; σάββατο; sabbaton which means to cease from secular labor, stop work, rest.

Context within Col 2:16-17:
(1) meat or drink
(2) feast or festival
(3) new moons
(4) sabbath(s)

So the overall context of Col 2:14-17 is in judging in regards to meat and drink, feast days (festivals), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses (v 14)

Col 2 is talking about the ceremonial laws from Moses that referred to the annual festivals of Lev 23; Deut 10; Num 27 and 28. Now let’s have a look at the Old Testament scriptures to see what Col 2 is talking about. Remember the overall context is in regards to meat and drink, feast days (festivals), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses that were completed and nailed to the cross. If we can find references to the above context it will help us to understand what Col 2:14-17 is talking about because these are Shadows that pointed to Jesus.

Old Testament references to Col 2:14-17; Line upon Line Precept upon Precept:

Col 2:16-17,
Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feast, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Eze 45:17-21,
It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbaths, at all the appointed (3) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1Ch 23:31
and whenever burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2Ch 2:4,
Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

Hos 2:11,
I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton meaning to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals could fall on any day of the week. These were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

High Sabbaths, in most Christian and Messianic Jewish usage, are seven annual Biblical festivals and rest days, recorded in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days in Lev 23 were were none work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work.

Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses in the annual ceremonial Feast days of Lev 23; Deut and Numbers that all pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the Cross including the annual new moon feast Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week.

Line upon line and Precept upon precept.....

God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and the annual ceremonial Sabbaths for feast days of Col 2:14-17

What is the difference between God’s 4th commandment and the annual feast sabbath(s) of Col 2:16-17? To answer this question you need to understand the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses. Let’s have a look at what that Word of God says. God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is;

God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is to

(1) point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.

Scripture proof:
Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Every reference in connection to Col 2:14-17 is in relation to (1) burnt offerings; (2) Sabbaths held at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals and (3) food and drink offerings. The context is referring to the annual ceremonial feast days described in Leviticus Chapter 23; Numbers chapters 28 and 29. As mentioned earlier these were all done away at the cross because they were Shadows of an unfinished word that was completed at the death of Jesus (Col 2:16-17).

Let’s now look at what the 4th commandment actually says?

Exo 20:8-11,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.

Now please notice some key points;

Where does it say in the 4th commandment of God’s Law that we need to do (1) burnt offerings (2) keep the annual Sabbaths at the New Moons at the appointed festivals and (3) offer food and drink offerings? It does not because it is God’s Law that points out sin. It is the same Law that we have today and is forever because it was made by God himself and represents the character of God and is the knowledge of good and evil. It shows us what sin is (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now notice the last part of the commandment in Ex 20:11 this is the reason the commandment was given. (v11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.This is a reference back to Gen 2:1-3
What does Genesis 2:1-3 teach us about God’s 4th commandment the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments?

GEN 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7th Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7th Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7th Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation

Critical questions and answers:

When was God’s 7th Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7th Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!

Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7th Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!

When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.

So in summary the 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.

Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)

* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)

* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)

* The in text context of Col 2:16 is referring to the Old Testament scriptures word for word in relation to the laws of Moses (Col 2:16-17; Eze 45:17-21; 1Ch 23:31; 2Ch 2:4; Hos 2:11; Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

* God’s Law (10 commandments) was the work of God himself and separate from every other law given to Israel. Its role was to point out sin

* The laws of Moses were to teach Israel the plan of salvation pointing to Jesus which was completed at the death of Jesus. It could not identify sin but its provided a cure for sin in animal sacrificed and burnt offerings and food and drink offerings which all pointed to Jesus (Col 2:14-17)

* Col 2:16 is referring to the annual New Moon ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and mean and drink offerings and not the 4th commandment of God’s Law.

* God’s 4th commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7th day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.

Closing remarks:

Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man. He is the God of creation that made it for mankind. God commands us to keep the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day because he rested on this day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. If we love him we must follow Him (Mark 2:27-28; John 14:15)

mailmandan... I look forward to your response I love God's Word what about you?

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans.

God bless you all line upon line and precept upon precept.....

 

[LoveGodForever]

If I did not care about individuals, then I would not even bother to share the Gospel with them. Sometimes it's necessary to ask the tough questions. Don't be so naive about people and false religions.

What tough questions have you asked? Everything you have sent from God's Word from other websites I have answered from scripture. Yet you have not answered anything I have sent you. Why is this? Do you know God's Word or are you just good at cutting and pasting from other peoples websites? If you know the Word of God please lets have a discussion? I am happy to if you are. Lets start with my post on Col 2:14-17 above.

 

[mailmandan]

Hey mailmandan,

How are you today? Don't be upset my friend because I share the Word of God with you and you cannot answer it.

I'm doing just fine. I have already given you answers to your arguments and so have numerous others, but unfortunately, you are unable to see the truth.

I love God's Word what about you?

You sound like a SDA programmed robot. I love God's Word but I don't love it when false teachers twist the Word of God, which is not helpful to faithful Bereans.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I'm doing just fine. I have already given you answers to your arguments and so have numerous others, but unfortunately, you are unable to see the truth. You sound like a SDA programmed robot. I love God's Word but I don't love it when false teachers twist the Word of God, which is not helpful to faithful Bereans.
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Hi Friend

No need to make false accusations like you have been doing. You know we can have a civil discussion sharing God's Word together in the Spirit of love caring and sharing. You have not answered any of my questions to you in previous posts yet I have gone through and answered all your posts with scripture even your cut and pastes from other websites. You have not answered post 25062 above. Lets get to it share God's Word. What do you say? You have nothing to lose if you do know God's Word right? Lets put all your claims to the test.

 

[mailmandan]

What tough questions have you asked? Everything you have sent from God's Word from other websites I have answered from scripture. Yet you have not answered anything I have sent you. Why is this?

Are you really that blind?

Do you know God's Word or are you just good at cutting and pasting from other peoples websites? If you know the Word of God please lets have a discussion? I am happy to if you are. Lets start with my post on Col 2:14-17 above.

I love God's Word and so do other people on Christian forums and these other websites who are trying to reach you and other SDA's with the truth. We have already had multiple discussions and to no avail.

If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find in multiple posts on Christian Chat, Christian Forums and these websites:

The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Col 2:14-16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was abolished and nailed to cross!

If accommodating your biased SDA doctrine is the only thing you are interested in, then you won't accept the truth no matter how many times someone explains it to you and I'm tired of wasting my time beating a dead horse. Please prayerfully continue to seek for the truth and God bless. I will continue to pray for you.

 

[FranC]

What tough questions have you asked? Everything you have sent from God's Word from other websites I have answered from scripture. Yet you have not answered anything I have sent you. Why is this? Do you know God's Word or are you just good at cutting and pasting from other peoples websites? If you know the Word of God please lets have a discussion? I am happy to if you are. Lets start with my post on Col 2:14-17 above.

Hi FGodF

I happen to understand the three different types of Law in the O.T.
I also agree with Colossians 2:14-17.

Now...
I myself have been attacked here because I believe that once one is saved he must obey the Law, the Moral Law, which was NOT abolished.

So, it would seem that some here are very hypcrtiical indeed.
They claim to be grace believers and they claim to believe in the freedom we have in Christ...

However, they'd like YOU to celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday, just as they do and which MAY or MAY NOT be correct.

Although this is an issue I'm not willing to debate because I TRULY believe in grace and freedom in Christ, I'm kind of hoping that you don't believe that every Christian that worships on Sunday is lost.

I do understand your point, BTW, which is correct...:

If a person BELIEVES they should worship on Saturdy, then they should worship on Saturday.
If a person BELIEVES they should worship on Sunday (or at least believe it is NOT sinful) then they will be so judged by God.

IF SALVATION IS A PERSONAL BELIEF, as everyone here SEEMS to believe, then we must listen to God in a PERSONAL way.
Seems to me that some have a FORMULA for being saved, and if THAT formula is not followed, well, you know where those are headed...

 

[graceNpeace]

Sixty instances of the word 'sabbath' in the New Testament.
Fifty-nine instances the SDA's insist ferociously refer to the 7th day sabbath, but the sixtieth instance they insist, just as ferociously, cannot possibly, never, ever refer to the 7th day sabbath.
No guesses which instance of the word 'sabbath' according to the SDA church cannot refer to the 7th day sabbath....

Intellectual honesty?
Not!

 

[FranC]

Are you really that blind?

I love God's Word and so do other people on Christian forums and these other websites who are trying to reach you and other SDA's with the truth. We have already had multiple discussions and to no avail.

If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find in multiple posts on Christian Chat, Christian Forums and these websites:

The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Col 2:14-16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was abolished and nailed to cross!

If accommodating your biased SDA doctrine is the only thing you are interested in, then you won't accept the truth no matter how many times someone explains it to you and I'm tired of wasting my time beating a dead horse. Please prayerfully continue to seek for the truth and God bless. I will continue to pray for you.

If I'm not grossly mistaken, it would seem to me that the CATHOLIC CHURCH began Sunday worship..
since it was the ONLY Church at the time.

So you do like SOME Catholic doctrine??

 

[LoveGodForever]

Are you really that blind? I love God's Word and so do other people on Christian forums and these other websites who are trying to reach you and other SDA's with the truth. We have already had multiple discussions and to no avail. If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find in multiple posts on Christian Chat, Christian Forums and these websites: If accommodating your biased SDA doctrine is the only thing you are interested in, then you won't accept the truth no matter how many times someone explains it to you and I'm tired of wasting my time beating a dead horse. Please prayerfully continue to seek for the truth and God bless. I will continue to pray for you.

Ok so I guess that is a no in answer to my last post about sharing God's Word together . You like to make lots of accusations and false claims but you don't want to test what your saying is true on not with God's Word. This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. I am happy to come to the light and share God's Word. Why do you not want to? Maybe you wish to hold on to your traditions over the Word of God? Either way I do not judge you. God's Word however will judge us in the last days.

 

[Ariel82]

No one teaches that you should keep the old Jewish laws on Sunday instead of Saturday,,,that is a false straw man erected to be burnt and garner sympathy.

 

[FranC]

Are you really that blind?

I love God's Word and so do other people on Christian forums and these other websites who are trying to reach you and other SDA's with the truth. We have already had multiple discussions and to no avail.

If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find in multiple posts on Christian Chat, Christian Forums and these websites:

The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Col 2:14-16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was abolished and nailed to cross!

If accommodating your biased SDA doctrine is the only thing you are interested in, then you won't accept the truth no matter how many times someone explains it to you and I'm tired of wasting my time beating a dead horse. Please prayerfully continue to seek for the truth and God bless. I will continue to pray for you.

Hey MMD,

I did something I rarely do..
I went to the site you posted..
And, just as I thought -- it was a waste of time.

Here's what it said, basically:

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Bible Truth versus SDA Truth

Does SDA Truth stand up to the Biblical test?

"I studied my way out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church."

Welcome, friends. I'm brother Anderson, and I was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years. I was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To my utter astonishment and amazement, when I began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, I made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. I found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White.

Don't take my word for it. Get our your Bibles and take the SDA Truth Challenge below for yourself and decide if SDA truth is Bible truth.

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It's too amusing!!

The above could be true for ANY CHURCH.

Including the one YOU go to!
In fact, it might actually be talking about YOUR Church since I don't see you following the bible either.

Yes, MMD,
I AM the only one here following the bible --
OF COURSE.

 

[mailmandan]

Hey MMD,

I did something I rarely do..
I went to the site you posted..
And, just as I thought -- it was a waste of time.

Here's what it said, basically:

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Bible Truth versus SDA Truth

Does SDA Truth stand up to the Biblical test?

"I studied my way out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church."

Welcome, friends. I'm brother Anderson, and I was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years. I was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To my utter astonishment and amazement, when I began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, I made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. I found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White.

Don't take my word for it. Get our your Bibles and take the SDA Truth Challenge below for yourself and decide if SDA truth is Bible truth.

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It's too amusing!!

The above could be true for ANY CHURCH.

Including the one YOU go to!
In fact, it might actually be talking about YOUR Church since I don't see you following the bible either.

Yes, MMD,
I AM the only one here following the bible --
OF COURSE.

So you only read the introductory page and nothing else? Keep reading.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast along with the other articles.

 

[Ariel82]

Those weak in faith will abstain from meat and keep the Sabbath. God says it's okay for them to abstain from meat or keep the Sabbath for we shall each answer to God upon Judgement day. It is also okay to NOT KEEP the SABBATH (but to value each day equally) and to eat meat. God gives us that freedom in Christ.

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Romans 14 ►
English Standard Version
Do Not Pass Judgment on One Another

1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own mastera that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confessb to God.”

12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Hey MMD,

I did something I rarely do..
I went to the site you posted..
And, just as I thought -- it was a waste of time.

Here's what it said, basically:

*****************************************************

Bible Truth versus SDA Truth

Does SDA Truth stand up to the Biblical test?

"I studied my way out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church."

Welcome, friends. I'm brother Anderson, and I was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years. I was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To my utter astonishment and amazement, when I began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, I made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. I found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White.

Don't take my word for it. Get our your Bibles and take the SDA Truth Challenge below for yourself and decide if SDA truth is Bible truth.

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It's too amusing!!

The above could be true for ANY CHURCH.

Including the one YOU go to!
In fact, it might actually be talking about YOUR Church since I don't see you following the bible either.

Yes, MMD,
I AM the only one here following the bible --
OF COURSE.

: REPOST :
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James 2:18 - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Ephesians Chapter 2


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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Romans 5

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
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Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
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Galatians Chapter 5


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

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Revelation 22:12 - And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be


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why the repost?


Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

James 5:9 - Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door


1 Corinthians 10:10 - Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.



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2 Timothy 2:24-25

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;



may God bless you

maybe its too early...


are you being facetious?

(honest question)

 

[Grace777x70]

Maybe what mailmandan had in his link will work here. I realize that this is a waste of time for those that replace Chrsit for the Sabbath day in the Old Testament but it will help those viewing the thread to avoid this perversion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Anyone who says to you that "You are sinning and dis-obeying God if you don't keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way is a Judaizing spirit that has come to distort the gospel."

Quote:

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 81%"]Colossians 2:14-16 says the 10 commandments are abolished![/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Colossians 2:14-16 so clearly states the weekly Sabbath was nailed to cross and abolished that Sabbatarians are at a loss to know what to do with it!

"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col 2:14-16)​

The Ten Commandments are called, Statutes, Ordinances and Decrees. To the shock and horror of Seventh-day Adventists, they will learn they have been lied to by their leaders and that the 10 commandments are the ordinances that were abolished in Col 2:14 and Eph 2:15.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 79%"]

If Col 2:16 refers to the weekly Sabbath, then Sabbatarians are 100% refuted. Herein lies the battle ground. But as you will see, Sabbath keepers have little more than a few lame arguments that are easily falsified. Only the blind and deceived could miss the simple truth in Col 2:16.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
A. One of the most stunning and irrefutable proofs that Col 2:16 must be the weekly Sabbath day, is the common "Year, Month, Week" pattern used in Col 2:16.

When God wanted to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. Sabbatarians argue that the Sabbath Day of Col 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Col 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is so well established in the Old Testament, that Col 2:16 must refer to the weekly Sabbath. Notice, even Gal 4:10, following this pattern, states the weekly Sabbath is abolished!
​

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4"]Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]Yearly [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]monthly [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]weekly [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]1 Chronicles 23:31 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]fixed festivals [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 2:4 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 8:13 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]annual feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 31:3 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]fixed festivals [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Nehemiah 10:33[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed times[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moon[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Isa 1:13-14[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]Appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]New moon [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Ezekiel 45:17[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Ezek 46:1-11[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Hosea 2:11[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]festal assemblies [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Galatians 4:10[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]years[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]months [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]days[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Colossians 2:16[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]festival[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moon [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath day

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

B. All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!

1. Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

C. Some Sabbatarians will put forth another false argument saying, "The lack of the definite article before the word "Sabbath" in the Greek in Col 2:16 proves it cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath. Of course this argument is no more valid than the one above regarding the plural "sabbaton".

The truth is, we find several places where the weekly Sabbath lacks the definite article. An example of a definite article is the word THE in the following sentence: "Only Jews kept THE weekly Sabbath." The same sentence that lacks the definite article would be: "Only Jews kept weekly Sabbath." Or "Only Jews kept a weekly Sabbath."

1. Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:9, "Now it was the Sabbath on that day" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:10, "It is the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:16, "on the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

D. A final false objection Sabbath keepers will sometimes raise against Col 2:14-16 referring to the weekly Sabbath, is the fact v14 calls that which was nailed to the cross "hostile to us". Sabbatarians continue to falsely argue: "The weekly Sabbath was not hostile to us!" However, 2 Cor 3:7 calls the entire ten commandment law, a "ministry of death". This effectively refutes their false argument!


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Col 2:14 [/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]2 Cor 3:7 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]which was hostile to us[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]ministry of death[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Sabbatarians have overlooked the fact that the 10 commandments were called a "ministry of death" What is the difference between "hostile to us" and "ministry of death"?


Source Col 2:14-16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was abolished and nailed to cross!

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[FranC]

So you only read the introductory page and nothing else? Keep reading.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast along with the other articles.

No can do.
Mark of the beast.
Revelation.

What IS the truth MMD?

Do you think only YOU have the truth?

Truth is not a thing, it's a person.
If YOU trust so much in JESUS, as you and Others on this thread claim,
then by all means TRUST IN HIM.

Are you another BOOK PERSON, Like Dcon??
Do you believe your doctrine saves you...

OR

Do you TRULY believe JESUS saves you?

You see what the difference is between me and you and Others that CLAIM to believe in grace but really do NOT...

I REALLY believe JESUS is going to save me - not my doctrine, and not my "correct beliefs" as UnderGrace would say.

Everone here should thank God Almighty EVERY DAY that their DOCTRINE does not save them, but that JESUS does!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The moral law is not in effect If it is in effect then no one, I mean no one will make it to heaven, Because we all fail to live up to the moral law.

Col 2 tells us that the handwritten ordinances with were against us, contrary to us, and basically condemned us were nailed to the cross.

What were these ordinances? They were the things written in Stone, The things Paul said in galations brought a curse to everyone who did not obey every word. The same curse that Jesus hung on the cross for. The civil laws did not condemn us, The ceremonial laws did not condemn us, The moral law or ten commands did, Why? Because As moses demanded, anyone who does not obey every letter. is under a curse.

As james said, if we commit even the smallest of all sin, we are guilty of the whole law. and seen according to the law as sinners, The penalty is death. (curse)

The fact is when we stand in front of God we will stand in front of him naked, All of our sin will be before us, And every sin having brought with it a death penalty. NO ONE will stand righteous on that day.

The people who will enter in, are the people who have had the blood of Christ cleans them from all sin, The people. who as the day of atonement sacrifice shadowed. Had everything God had against us (the two tablets, the rod that budded, and the manna) which would have condemned us, but the blood of the lamb covered the seat. so when the judge looked in, the things which condemned us were covered, The blood atoned our sin.

Our works will nto save us, Our good deeds are not righteous, or make us righteous, The blood of God is what makes us appear righteous..

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (any good or righteous deeds, which would include water baptism, obeying the sabbath day, honoring our parents etc etc) But by Gods mercy HE SAVED US. by the washing and renewal of the HS.

You can not wash yourself. You can not cleanse yourself. You can not make yourself Holy. Only God can wash us..

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi FGodF

I happen to understand the three different types of Law in the O.T.
I also agree with Colossians 2:14-17.

Now...
I myself have been attacked here because I believe that once one is saved he must obey the Law, the Moral Law, which was NOT abolished.

So, it would seem that some here are very hypcrtiical indeed.
They claim to be grace believers and they claim to believe in the freedom we have in Christ...

However, they'd like YOU to celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday, just as they do and which MAY or MAY NOT be correct.

Although this is an issue I'm not willing to debate because I TRULY believe in grace and freedom in Christ, I'm kind of hoping that you don't believe that every Christian that worships on Sunday is lost.

I do understand your point, BTW, which is correct...:

If a person BELIEVES they should worship on Saturdy, then they should worship on Saturday.
If a person BELIEVES they should worship on Sunday (or at least believe it is NOT sinful) then they will be so judged by God.

IF SALVATION IS A PERSONAL BELIEF, as everyone here SEEMS to believe, then we must listen to God in a PERSONAL way.
Seems to me that some have a FORMULA for being saved, and if THAT formula is not followed, well, you know where those are headed...

Hi FranC,

You know I study God's Word for myself. No one is my teacher except Jesus. I know you believe that SIN is the transgression of God's 10 commandments. It is very simple the wages of SIN is death. God's Judgements have only ever been about SIN from Genesis to Revelations. As it was in the days if Noah and Sodom so shall it be...... I come to this website because I care for people here. I have a message that people will not like because it is not what they want to hear. God wants us to repent and fear God because the hour of His Judgement has come. The 4th commandment 7th Day Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments given to mankind by our creator. God commands us to keep it as a holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of His truth. He calls all men everywhere to repent and follow him. Sunday worship as you have rightly pointed out is a teaching and tradition of man introduced into the Roman Catholic Church well before Protestantism started. God has his people in every Church but he is calling His followers out to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. There will be one Shepard and one fold whether we hear the Shepard's voice or not. God's Sheep here his voice. By faith God will truly have a people that keep his commandments and have the faith of Jesus (Rev 14:6-12). You know most of this already Franc the 4th Commandment, God's 7th Day Sabbath is the missing piece of the 10. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all (James 2:8-12)

God is calling His people higher to worship him in Spirit and in truth. He that has ears let him hear.

God bless

 

[FranC]

Maybe what mailmandan had in his link will work here. I realize that this is a waste of time for those that replace Chrsit for the Sabbath day in the Old Testament but it will help those viewing the thread to avoid this perversion of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Anyone who says to you that "You are sinning and dis-obeying God if you don't keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way is a Judaizing spirit that has come to distort the gospel."

Quote:

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 81%"]Colossians 2:14-16 says the 10 commandments are abolished![/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Colossians 2:14-16 so clearly states the weekly Sabbath was nailed to cross and abolished that Sabbatarians are at a loss to know what to do with it!

"Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col 2:14-16)​

The Ten Commandments are called, Statutes, Ordinances and Decrees. To the shock and horror of Seventh-day Adventists, they will learn they have been lied to by their leaders and that the 10 commandments are the ordinances that were abolished in Col 2:14 and Eph 2:15.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 79%"]

If Col 2:16 refers to the weekly Sabbath, then Sabbatarians are 100% refuted. Herein lies the battle ground. But as you will see, Sabbath keepers have little more than a few lame arguments that are easily falsified. Only the blind and deceived could miss the simple truth in Col 2:16.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
A. One of the most stunning and irrefutable proofs that Col 2:16 must be the weekly Sabbath day, is the common "Year, Month, Week" pattern used in Col 2:16.

When God wanted to refer to the whole system of Jewish holy days, rather than name them all, He would refer to the yearly, monthly and weekly as representing the whole system. Sabbatarians argue that the Sabbath Day of Col 2:16 is the years Sabbaths. But yearly Sabbaths were already referred to in Col 2:16 as "festivals". The "Year, Month, Week" pattern is so well established in the Old Testament, that Col 2:16 must refer to the weekly Sabbath. Notice, even Gal 4:10, following this pattern, states the weekly Sabbath is abolished!
​

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4"]Yearly, monthly, weekly pattern proves it is the weekly sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]Yearly [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]monthly [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]weekly [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]1 Chronicles 23:31 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]fixed festivals [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 2:4 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 8:13 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]annual feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]2 Chronicles 31:3 [/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]fixed festivals [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Nehemiah 10:33[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed times[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moon[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Isa 1:13-14[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]Appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]New moon [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Ezekiel 45:17[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Ezek 46:1-11[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]appointed feasts[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Hosea 2:11[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]festal assemblies [/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moons[/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbaths [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Galatians 4:10[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]years[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]months [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]days[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 34%"]Colossians 2:16[/TD]
[TD="width: 25%"]festival[/TD]
[TD="width: 24%"]new moon [/TD]
[TD="width: 17%"]Sabbath day

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

B. All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!

1. Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

1. Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

C. Some Sabbatarians will put forth another false argument saying, "The lack of the definite article before the word "Sabbath" in the Greek in Col 2:16 proves it cannot refer to the weekly Sabbath. Of course this argument is no more valid than the one above regarding the plural "sabbaton".

The truth is, we find several places where the weekly Sabbath lacks the definite article. An example of a definite article is the word THE in the following sentence: "Only Jews kept THE weekly Sabbath." The same sentence that lacks the definite article would be: "Only Jews kept weekly Sabbath." Or "Only Jews kept a weekly Sabbath."

1. Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:9, "Now it was the Sabbath on that day" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:10, "It is the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

1. John 5:16, "on the Sabbath" [Sabbath lacks article in original Greek]

D. A final false objection Sabbath keepers will sometimes raise against Col 2:14-16 referring to the weekly Sabbath, is the fact v14 calls that which was nailed to the cross "hostile to us". Sabbatarians continue to falsely argue: "The weekly Sabbath was not hostile to us!" However, 2 Cor 3:7 calls the entire ten commandment law, a "ministry of death". This effectively refutes their false argument!


[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Col 2:14 [/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]2 Cor 3:7 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%"]which was hostile to us[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]ministry of death[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Sabbatarians have overlooked the fact that the 10 commandments were called a "ministry of death" What is the difference between "hostile to us" and "ministry of death"?


Source Col 2:14-16 clearly teaches that the sabbath was abolished and nailed to cross!

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

By golly Grace!

of course I'm not going to read all that gobbledygook.

YOU YOURSELF say that the 10 Commandments are no longer in effect !!!

The New Covenant, remember???

So why continue reading?

YOU YOURSELF have said that WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY!

NOTHING IS NECESSARY, BUT FAITH, remember???

LGodF has FAITH.

YOU YOURSELF say that this is ALL He needs, right?

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
You're preaching works salvation here...
Something YOU really hate.