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Interesting you say that.
I know a Mormon and have done for years. Fairly high up in the hierarchy.
He went to Utah about 20 years ago.
Came back the the U.K. about 5 years ago.
We got to talking again about church and faith and Jesus.
This is no word of lie, he said the following to me
"Do you know what when I talk to people about Jesus I do tell them that I am a Mormon and about my church but I also say to them if you are seeking Jesus try different churches and go to the one where you will find Jesus"
I thought wow
I know a Mormon and have done for years. Fairly high up in the hierarchy.
He went to Utah about 20 years ago.
Came back the the U.K. about 5 years ago.
We got to talking again about church and faith and Jesus.
This is no word of lie, he said the following to me
"Do you know what when I talk to people about Jesus I do tell them that I am a Mormon and about my church but I also say to them if you are seeking Jesus try different churches and go to the one where you will find Jesus"
I thought wow
Well. Tell me this EG...
If God is such a loving God
So much so that He is willing to do EVERYTHING for us because He loves us so much...
HOW COME He didn't do everything for Adam and He allowed Adam to eat the forbidden fruit??
No. Really. Explain it.
That's what theology is.
Being able to explain GOD -- as best we could of course.
If God is such a loving God
So much so that He is willing to do EVERYTHING for us because He loves us so much...
HOW COME He didn't do everything for Adam and He allowed Adam to eat the forbidden fruit??
No. Really. Explain it.
That's what theology is.
Being able to explain GOD -- as best we could of course.
We were channel surfing last night, after church, and Stopped on the Hillsong Channel[normally we would just pass on by] and and heard Carl Lentz, Sr. Pastor of Hillsong Church New York, say verbatim that OSAS and Grace will allow you to grow through being a Christian, including the times, you deny him and the christian lifestyle and work it out in the world and come back....even if you grieve the Holy spirit...he said it did not matter...because grace allows us to try God out and then work it out and be our old selves and all that new man jazz is just religion....we have to be who we are...and all that other junk is just rules...his rebellious spirit came out last night and he lashed out people criticizing hillsong and Brian Houston....t was a travesty....yet there had to be thousands in his church whooping it up....
All super- smart peopel are.
Jesus said so... But why pay any attention to what JESUS said?
Matthew 25:44-46New American Standard Bible (NASB)
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [a]take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I do believe the righteous are the ones who did as Jesus instructed.
Jesus said so... But why pay any attention to what JESUS said?
Matthew 25:44-46New American Standard Bible (NASB)
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not [a]take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I do believe the righteous are the ones who did as Jesus instructed.
N
Ecclesiastes 7:20
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”
Romans 3:21-27
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.”
Romans 3:21-27
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
E
1. He did everything needed to save us, That's called the cross. what do you think you can add to the cross that would make you more saved than any other person who will be in heaven.
Why can you not realise there is a difference between salvation from the penalty of sin, (justification) and ongoing sanctification from the power of sin?
Why can you not realise there is a difference between salvation from the penalty of sin, (justification) and ongoing sanctification from the power of sin?
U
Well you gained a friend too!
I agree we have to stand by the truth not matter what it costs, because only the truth will set people free and if we love them we can do no less.
I agree we have to stand by the truth not matter what it costs, because only the truth will set people free and if we love them we can do no less.
Oh, BTW, lost a "friend" on here due to believing the full sufficiency of the work of Christ, and in the preservation of the saints, what some call osas. That's what standing on the Gospel will do at times, and I am not ashamed of the Gospel. 
Oh, BTW, lost a "friend" on here due to believing the full sufficiency of the work of Christ, and in the preservation of the saints, what some call osas. That's what standing on the Gospel will do at times, and I am not ashamed of the Gospel.
I won't change my old standards for no one..... NO ONE.
E
what makes you think you are more righteous than any one else? Because you obey God?Are you perfect? Do you sin? How can you be righteous if you still sin? As james said, even the least of the sins judged by the law makes you guilty of it all. That makes you unrighteous when you are judged by the law.
DO you not understand Gods requirement?
The jews thought they were righteous also. How did Jesus respond to them? By telling them how unrighteous they are.
Once again, Gods people will obey (not be perfect) because they are saved, not in order to ghet saved.
so no. Jesus does not say what you think he said..
DO you not understand Gods requirement?
The jews thought they were righteous also. How did Jesus respond to them? By telling them how unrighteous they are.
Once again, Gods people will obey (not be perfect) because they are saved, not in order to ghet saved.
so no. Jesus does not say what you think he said..
E
Girl, Listen, Listen carefully
I never said they were never saved to begin with, I said we can not judge their salvation. and I have said this over and over again, But as usual you have selective hearing.
How can you sit there and claim to be a woman of God who obeys God yet continue with this sinful attitude of telling me things which are not true?
I never said they were never saved to begin with, I said we can not judge their salvation. and I have said this over and over again, But as usual you have selective hearing.
How can you sit there and claim to be a woman of God who obeys God yet continue with this sinful attitude of telling me things which are not true?
I'm sorry EG.
I can't stop laughing.
Here's why...
JESUS used analogies BECAUSE WE NEED THEM.
Because we're sooooo far below God.
What I'm trying to say is this:
GOD IS NOT HUMAN.
WE cannot make analogies--- only HE can.
We make them to try to understand Him better NOT because they're actually true.
You say we are of the seed of God?
That means you have the nature of God...
That means you ARE God.
It's a way to make us understand the non-understandable.
UFFA.
I can't stop laughing.
Here's why...
JESUS used analogies BECAUSE WE NEED THEM.
Because we're sooooo far below God.
What I'm trying to say is this:
GOD IS NOT HUMAN.
WE cannot make analogies--- only HE can.
We make them to try to understand Him better NOT because they're actually true.
You say we are of the seed of God?
That means you have the nature of God...
That means you ARE God.
It's a way to make us understand the non-understandable.
UFFA.