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Luke 12:11-12 “When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
Welcome to the forum. God be with you and may He use you for His glory.
Welcome to the forum. God be with you and may He use you for His glory.
Stand by your own convictions, follow the Spirit and your conscience and scripture as you understand it with the Spirits help, and never use your freedom in Christ to cause offense when it is in any way in your power to do so. If you do this, you will be walking well. I have enjoyed meeting you. One day we will sit down at the marriage supper together! Come soon, Lord!
One day we will sit down at the marriage supper together! Come soon, Lord!
...xox...
Well I see you are concerned, I do not go to any church so I do not see any of these problems.
But I know this without grace we are back under the law.
So maybe it would be better if those churches had a better understanding of grace because when I walk in God's grace I can testify I sin less, not more.
I sinned way more trying to live under the law, even as a born again Christian, when I was foolishly influenced by teachers who preached law
That is just my small experience but I can also say Jesus is more present in me since I came to rightly understand the divine influence of grace in the believer' s life
Now let see how much you rebuke me
But I know this without grace we are back under the law.
So maybe it would be better if those churches had a better understanding of grace because when I walk in God's grace I can testify I sin less, not more.
I sinned way more trying to live under the law, even as a born again Christian, when I was foolishly influenced by teachers who preached law
That is just my small experience but I can also say Jesus is more present in me since I came to rightly understand the divine influence of grace in the believer' s life
Now let see how much you rebuke me
Never in my forty years as a Christian have I ever heard this kind of theology being taught, about the doctrine of Grace. Grace is not easy believe-ism and Jesus Christ of Nazareth was full of Grace and Truth. The bible say's "grow in grace and the knowledge of Him. The rock solid Church's that I have been blessed to be a member of alway's teach Grow in grace. God's Grace means, "unmerited favor" not easy believe-ism or, okay its time to take a grace break now.
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Thank you, I wish I understood this better thirty years ago..but better late than never.
Part of me thinks though you have to search for it, if you are thinking you are doing just great in your Christian walk then you may not seek out better deeper understanding.
Really how can anyone say the grace of God is the culprit for more sin the church.
Do they not realize they are blaming God for sin.
Part of me thinks though you have to search for it, if you are thinking you are doing just great in your Christian walk then you may not seek out better deeper understanding.
Really how can anyone say the grace of God is the culprit for more sin the church.
Do they not realize they are blaming God for sin.
That`s called surrendering ...xox...
...xox...
He never left me through it though. He was right there all along. He came and we dined together often. This is how I know that somehow, the Holy Spirit can remain in us even when we sin, though some say the Holy Spirit cannot reside in a sinner. I'm living proof that He can and does.
Well said! Paul said in 1Corinthians 15:10 - that he worked harder than any other apostle - yet not Him - but the grace of God with him.
I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?
It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ
John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
It looks like we "believe through grace"..
( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)
Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up.
( Maybe that's not really important...)
Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
( He probably didn't really mean it.... )
2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God
( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works that we do or don't do.)
Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."
Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....
(He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )
Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone.
( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below-
( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )
( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works.
( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )
2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works of righteousness in order to keep ourselves saved" - and God will be pleased with that....yeah right!.......
I wonder if this "Christian" thing has anything to do with "grace" that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior?
It looks like we have received - grace upon grace through the Lord Jesus Christ
John 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
It looks like we "believe through grace"..
( I'm sure they really meant that we are saved because of the good works we do...)
Acts 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Paul said that it was the grace of God that would give the believers their inheritance and it was able to build them up.
( Maybe that's not really important...)
Acts 20:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Paul said for Timothy to be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
( He probably didn't really mean it.... )
2 Timothy 2:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
The apostles said that we are saved by the grace of God
( They probably really meant to say - you are saved by works that we do or don't do.)
Acts 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."
Paul says that we are justified "freely" by grace....
(He really meant to say - we are justified and continue to be saved by all the good works we do... )
Romans 3:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Paul says that when we receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness - we reign in life through Christ alone.
( He really meant to say that - those who do good works all the days of their life will receive grace and the gift of righteousness )
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Then Paul was really messed up when he told the Ephesians this scripture below-
( He really meant to say - you must do good works in order to create and maintain salvation - Paul was just having an "off" day when he wrote Ephesians )
( And God has even prepared the good works for us to walk in as a result of having His grace that saves us and not any works - we get to participate in the family business of telling people of the love and grace our loving Father and Lord have for them )
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Here Paul told Timothy that God saved us according to His own purpose and grace - not according to our works.
( He really meant to say - He will save us if we do enough good works...again Paul was having an "off" day )
2 Timothy 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
Peter says to fix our hope "completely" on the grace that comes with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
( It's most likely a mis-print in all 5,000 manuscripts - he really meant to tell us to fix our hope on our good works because you could end up in hell if you don't do enough of them..)
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Conclusion - this "grace stuff" is really not important at all. We can "do our own works of righteousness in order to keep ourselves saved" - and God will be pleased with that....yeah right!.......
Ah...okay.
He never left me through it though. He was right there all along. He came and we dined together often. This is how I know that somehow, the Holy Spirit can remain in us even when we sin, though some say the Holy Spirit cannot reside in a sinner. I'm living proof that He can and does.
He never left me through it though. He was right there all along. He came and we dined together often. This is how I know that somehow, the Holy Spirit can remain in us even when we sin, though some say the Holy Spirit cannot reside in a sinner. I'm living proof that He can and does.
not a hard task master with a whip although i do know about His tongue being a double edge sword...I love how He allows us to grow in His Grace, He gives us one day at a time, that was a big thing for me, i remember i used to think 2 wow i got to get everything right, for the rest of my life " and then i hear Him say " My Grace is sufficient for you " Jesus says " Do not worry about tomorrow " well that was it for me, i not looked back, i just rest in Him daily while He works in me, my rags are gone, i have a new coat will be lovely dining with you also at the Lords table, am smiling as i write this lol, never had such a big family before lol...xox...I think you do this because you have no root in anything other than grace....and I also know that the grace that liberated you from legalism will also empower you to become a better swordswoman of the Word than you pretend to be....
Peace & Grace to you....please, never do this again....you are better than this...and you give grace a very bad name when you engage in it...