Attitude of a Pharisee

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Luke 18:9-14
In these verses we see the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.
Verse 9 says "And He spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others":
It seem that many on the BDF display this attitude.
Many proclaim themselves as having a greater knowledge and understand of Scripture when others disagree with them.
They suggest that those who disagree with them do not study as much as they do.
Some go so far as to suggest that those who disagree with them as being lost.

I would suggest that all of us examine ourselves and our attitudes.
 

Zmouth

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So what do you think was meant by Matthew 5:20?
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 

graceNpeace

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So what do you think was meant by Matthew 5:20?
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Never a truer word spoken!

Now for the million dollar question: is that righteousness that is spoken of a man-made effort or the imputed righteousness offered to us by the blood shed as a sin sacrifice by Jesus Christ Himself?
 
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Or worse, call folks demons, trolls, the list is long, did I mentioned hellboy as well, hahaha....

[video=youtube;VSDqDOLupNc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSDqDOLupNc[/video]
 

Zmouth

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Never a truer word spoken!

Now for the million dollar question: is that righteousness that is spoken of a man-made effort or the imputed righteousness offered to us by the blood shed as a sin sacrifice by Jesus Christ Himself?

I think the question is answered in the scripture itself seeing that it is written "except your righteousness" since he acknowledges the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees.
 

graceNpeace

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I think the question is answered in the scripture itself seeing that it is written "except your righteousness" since he acknowledges the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees.
So are you plumping for man-made righteousness then?
 

Zmouth

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Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7
 

Locutus

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I've got the altitude of a Pharisee, so I'm above all that..:p
 

graceNpeace

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Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7
Man-made righteousness - works salvation it is then...
 
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So what do you think was meant by Matthew 5:20?
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I certainly hope you are joking.

That verse meant: "The Scribes and Pharisees actually have NO true righteousness... as much as it seems to look like they do because of all the pious acts they do. And the righteousness you will have to have to enter Heaven MUST far surpass what they claim to have from their performances. And that righteousness can only come from letting Christ be your righteousness."
 

graceNpeace

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I certainly hope you are joking.

That verse meant: "The Scribes and Pharisees actually have NO true righteousness. And the righteousness you will have to have to enter Heaven MUST far surpass what they claim to have from their performances. And that righteousness can only come from letting Christ be your righteousness."
Exact a mon!
 

preacher4truth

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Luke 18:9-14
In these verses we see the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.
Verse 9 says "And He spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others":
It seem that many on the BDF display this attitude.
Many proclaim themselves as having a greater knowledge and understand of Scripture when others disagree with them.
They suggest that those who disagree with them do not study as much as they do.
Some go so far as to suggest that those who disagree with them as being lost.

I would suggest that all of us examine ourselves and our attitudes.

...and a lot of the time those who say this are exactly correct. It has nothing to do with a Pharisee attitude at all, and has not one thing to do with them thinking they are righteous simply because they hold to an more accurate and studied understanding of Scripture.

Everyone does need to examine themselves -- there are some who have much more Biblical acumen than others so accept it and become teachable.

And many simply will not concede when refuted. That's what is Pharisaical imho...
 

Marcelo

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Luke 18:9-14
In these verses we see the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.
Verse 9 says "And He spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others":
It seem that many on the BDF display this attitude.
Many proclaim themselves as having a greater knowledge and understand of Scripture when others disagree with them.
They suggest that those who disagree with them do not study as much as they do.
Some go so far as to suggest that those who disagree with them as being lost.

I would suggest that all of us examine ourselves and our attitudes.
I don't know who you are talking about -- I've been away for some time --, but I agree that evangelicals in general value Bible knowledge over Bible obedience at the risk of being left out when the Bridegroom arrives.
 

Desertsrose

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Hi preacher,

We all must remain teachable. No one has arrived. :)

And if I'm refuted by say a WOF, I will not concede and that's not pharisaical. Each one when confronted with a different view needs to pray and seek the word. Be as a berean to see if what's being said is biblical.

We all must do that. And Paul commended the bereans for checking him out. :)
 

preacher4truth

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Hi preacher,

We all must remain teachable. No one has arrived. :)

And if I'm refuted by say a WOF, I will not concede and that's not pharisaical. Each one when confronted with a different view needs to pray and seek the word. Be as a berean to see if what's being said is biblical.

We all must do that. And Paul commended the bereans for checking him out. :)
So, if a WOF actually biblically refutes you, shows your error, you will not concede?
 

Desertsrose

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Hah! :) No I meant if they are teaching WOF doctrine.
 

preacher4truth

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Hah! :) No I meant if they are teaching WOF doctrine.
Well, then refute isn't the proper term then, it means to prove you wrong, so that is what I was reading by your wording. However, I've not once witnessed a WoF refute biblical truth. I utterly abominate that false heresy. Many are deceived by it.
 

Zmouth

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I certainly hope you are joking.

That verse meant: "The Scribes and Pharisees actually have NO true righteousness... as much as it seems to look like they do because of all the pious acts they do. And the righteousness you will have to have to enter Heaven MUST far surpass what they claim to have from their performances. And that righteousness can only come from letting Christ be your righteousness."

So if Jesus came not to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance.

He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit. Prov 12:17

 
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mailmandan

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Attitude of a Pharisee and modern day Pharisees of various false religions - Judgmental, legalistic and self righteous.