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Shem is not supernatual God (no begining )
God remains without mother or father begining of Spirit life or end of Spirit life.
He is the King of kings and Lord of lords…The same King the Jews not wanting to walk by faith rejected Him as King because of their jealousy of the surrounding pagan nations.
He alone is the prince as the King of peace
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace
God remains without mother or father begining of Spirit life or end of Spirit life.
He is the King of kings and Lord of lords…The same King the Jews not wanting to walk by faith rejected Him as King because of their jealousy of the surrounding pagan nations.
He alone is the prince as the King of peace
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace
Satan is a spirit that has no form.He is called a man of sin .It is how the Holy Spirit uses the word man. When used it does not mean it is literally a man. The influence whether good or evil can be compared to as if he was a man
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrew 7 is not confirming a genealogy but just the opposite. No mother or father… no genealogy
Shem is a creature not the Creator. God is not a man as us.
He was typified as man appearing as a theophany, a vision. (No corruptible flesh) which he did appear as if he had form at other times. But when he came to put away sin in the flesh a theophany or a vision would not work out.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrew 7 is not confirming a genealogy but just the opposite. No mother or father… no genealogy
Shem is a creature not the Creator. God is not a man as us.
He was typified as man appearing as a theophany, a vision. (No corruptible flesh) which he did appear as if he had form at other times. But when he came to put away sin in the flesh a theophany or a vision would not work out.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
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If you believe that Hebrew 7 Melchizedek is speaking about Jesus Christ, then you have been bitten by the snake.
As you mentioned Rom 8:3 speaks of Jesus came in the likeness of (sinful flesh) then Melchizedek can't be that same Christ if one believes Melchizedek had no genealogy, in Matthew and Luke states the genealogy of Jesus.
And farther more the prophets of the past always spoke about the coming of Christ, not Christ returned then crucified.
As you mentioned Rom 8:3 speaks of Jesus came in the likeness of (sinful flesh) then Melchizedek can't be that same Christ if one believes Melchizedek had no genealogy, in Matthew and Luke states the genealogy of Jesus.
And farther more the prophets of the past always spoke about the coming of Christ, not Christ returned then crucified.
"Without descent" would not apply to Shem for the simple reason that everyone knows that at the very least Noah was his father. But we know a lot more about the descent of Shem. Also Shem was never "made like unto the Son of God". In fact Shem is not even mentioned in Hebrews 11, whereas Noah is.
Melchizedek (king of righteousness and king of Salem, which is Jerusalem) is unique in that he is a King-Priest. There was never any king in Israel who would dare take on the priestly office, and when one presumed to do so, he died for his presumption. There is only one person who is a literal King-Priest and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, and because of that all the saints will also become king-priests within a Royal Priesthood. And that is why the order of Melchizedek is limited to Him. He Himself was Melchizedek.
Melchizedek (king of righteousness and king of Salem, which is Jerusalem) is unique in that he is a King-Priest. There was never any king in Israel who would dare take on the priestly office, and when one presumed to do so, he died for his presumption. There is only one person who is a literal King-Priest and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, and because of that all the saints will also become king-priests within a Royal Priesthood. And that is why the order of Melchizedek is limited to Him. He Himself was Melchizedek.
Big difference... flesh and blood the temporal as that seen apposes the eternal Spirit not seen difference
The Son of man which spoke of His temporal humanity was not exactly like that of the theophany a vision.( No literal flesh and blood) One had flesh and blood the other not.
Christ had to put on sinful human flesh in order to destroy sin in the flesh .A theophany could not work to perform that kind of work which was necessary for that one time demonstration of a spiritual work not seen .
Again big difference the Son of man in respect to the temporal flesh died .The Son of God as the Spirit of Christ cannot die .Salvation is reckoned after the Spirit that cannot die…. not the flesh which did . God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof
Jesus as the Son of God has no genealogy. the Son of God another name for the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ traces all the way back to.... no begining.(supernatural )
The genealogy is of the Spiritual Seed…. .(.one Christ) not seen the eternal .Not in respect to the fleshly seeds (many) of men as that seen, the temporal
The Son of man which spoke of His temporal humanity was not exactly like that of the theophany a vision.( No literal flesh and blood) One had flesh and blood the other not.
Christ had to put on sinful human flesh in order to destroy sin in the flesh .A theophany could not work to perform that kind of work which was necessary for that one time demonstration of a spiritual work not seen .
Again big difference the Son of man in respect to the temporal flesh died .The Son of God as the Spirit of Christ cannot die .Salvation is reckoned after the Spirit that cannot die…. not the flesh which did . God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof
Jesus as the Son of God has no genealogy. the Son of God another name for the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ traces all the way back to.... no begining.(supernatural )
The genealogy is of the Spiritual Seed…. .(.one Christ) not seen the eternal .Not in respect to the fleshly seeds (many) of men as that seen, the temporal
Big difference between the Son of God (Melchizedek) the eternal Holy Spirit not seen and the Son of man temporal as that seen.. there's no if or ands about it
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Mary gave birth to the Son of man who dwelt in corrutped flesh, the temporal as that seen just like that of His mother. She did not give birth the Son of God (the Holy Spirit) the spiritual seed the eternal, as that not seen.It gave rebirth to Mary just as it does with all Christians
You are beginning with an assumption rather than examining the text. You are assuming Melchizedek was a theophany. He was not a theophany nor a vision. When you read Abraham's encounter with Melchizedek and the look at all of the examples of theophanies in the OT, there is absolutely no resemblance. Abraham does not regard Melchizedek as God. This is not so in the case of theophanies. [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]In every example, those to whom The Angel of Jehovah appeared always understood, at some point, that they were standing before God himself, and they honored him as such. You see no such similarity in the story of Melchizedek. [/FONT]
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A. “Without father, mother, or genealogy.”
Like Jesus, Melchizedek does not receive his priesthood from his a predecessor. In the Levitical system, the high priest was descended only through the line of Aaron. 1Chronicles 6:50-52. But, the office of the high priest was not passed on to Melchizedek by his father, nor did he in turn pass it on to his heir. In other words, his is a one-man-forever-priesthood. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
B. “Having neither beginning of days nor end of life.”
In this three possibilities have been thus far offered.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
1. That this refers to the person of Melchizedek the man.
Some argue from this that Melchizedek was not a man but some supernatural being who was neither born of human parents not had a beginning or end of life. But, as the text says, he was a man and as such, he had a past, 6. Some view this with the preceding statement as simply a Hebraism which stresses the obscurity of his genealogy and posterity. Perhaps.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. That this refers not to the man himself but to his priesthood.
This priesthood is unlike that of the Levitical system. We can look back at Sinai and see where the Levitical priesthood had its beginning of days with the anointing of Aaron and his sons, Exodus 28:1ff. We can then look forward from there to the cross and see where this priesthood saw its end of life. Now, a new and greater covenant is inaugurated in Jesus “according to a the power of an endless life.” But, this may not apply to just the priesthood apart from the man because this is a one man priesthood and apart from the man there is no priesthood. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
3. That this refers to the man as a high priest.
As a man he had a beginning of days and an end of life. As high priest, he has neither but remains a priest continually. This contrasts the priests of the Levitical system whose “beginning of days” began at the age of twenty-five when they began to serve as priests. They reached their “end of life” at the age of fifty when they completed their appointed time of priestly service, Numbers 8:24-25. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
Jesus' priesthood was exactly like that of Melchizedek. If “without father or mother” properly describes Melchizedek, then it also properly, and in the same manner, describes Jesus. If "without beginning of days or end of life" means that Melchizedek was never born or died then the same must be true of Jesus. If it means that Melchizedek had no genealogy, it also means that Jesus had no genealogy. This language cannot mean one thing for Melchizedek and something else for Jesus since the comparison is based on similarities. This cannot refer to the men but to their respective priesthoods. Luke records the fact that Jesus had a genealogy which he traces all the way back to Adam. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
C. “But made like the Son of God.”
Here, the order is reversed. In 6:20, Christ is presented as a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Now, Melchizedek is said to be a High Priest who was made like the Son of God. Like everything else that is type, Melchizedek is the shadow of the reality. This is like the building of the tabernacle in Exodus 25:40 being built according to the “pattern shown to you on the mountain.” Everything that is shadow must be patterned according to the substance it represents. The substance ALWAYS precedes the type but the type must always reflect the reality. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
D. He “remains a priest continually.”
His priesthood is uninterrupted even by death. He leaves his office to no one else. Although Melchizedek has been dead for many centuries, he is still the central figure in the one man forever priesthood. Like the Son of God, he carries his priest beyond the grave. His priesthood, in contrast to that of the Levites is not bound by the physical - “not according to the law of fleshly commandment,” 15-16. This fleshly commandment says that the Levitical priest must end his days of service at the age of 50. The High Priest ended his days of service at his death. In contrast, the priesthood of Melchizedek is greater. He continues as the High Priest of his priesthood even though he is dead, 8.[/FONT]
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A. “Without father, mother, or genealogy.”
Like Jesus, Melchizedek does not receive his priesthood from his a predecessor. In the Levitical system, the high priest was descended only through the line of Aaron. 1Chronicles 6:50-52. But, the office of the high priest was not passed on to Melchizedek by his father, nor did he in turn pass it on to his heir. In other words, his is a one-man-forever-priesthood. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
B. “Having neither beginning of days nor end of life.”
In this three possibilities have been thus far offered.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
1. That this refers to the person of Melchizedek the man.
Some argue from this that Melchizedek was not a man but some supernatural being who was neither born of human parents not had a beginning or end of life. But, as the text says, he was a man and as such, he had a past, 6. Some view this with the preceding statement as simply a Hebraism which stresses the obscurity of his genealogy and posterity. Perhaps.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. That this refers not to the man himself but to his priesthood.
This priesthood is unlike that of the Levitical system. We can look back at Sinai and see where the Levitical priesthood had its beginning of days with the anointing of Aaron and his sons, Exodus 28:1ff. We can then look forward from there to the cross and see where this priesthood saw its end of life. Now, a new and greater covenant is inaugurated in Jesus “according to a the power of an endless life.” But, this may not apply to just the priesthood apart from the man because this is a one man priesthood and apart from the man there is no priesthood. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
3. That this refers to the man as a high priest.
As a man he had a beginning of days and an end of life. As high priest, he has neither but remains a priest continually. This contrasts the priests of the Levitical system whose “beginning of days” began at the age of twenty-five when they began to serve as priests. They reached their “end of life” at the age of fifty when they completed their appointed time of priestly service, Numbers 8:24-25. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
Jesus' priesthood was exactly like that of Melchizedek. If “without father or mother” properly describes Melchizedek, then it also properly, and in the same manner, describes Jesus. If "without beginning of days or end of life" means that Melchizedek was never born or died then the same must be true of Jesus. If it means that Melchizedek had no genealogy, it also means that Jesus had no genealogy. This language cannot mean one thing for Melchizedek and something else for Jesus since the comparison is based on similarities. This cannot refer to the men but to their respective priesthoods. Luke records the fact that Jesus had a genealogy which he traces all the way back to Adam. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
C. “But made like the Son of God.”
Here, the order is reversed. In 6:20, Christ is presented as a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Now, Melchizedek is said to be a High Priest who was made like the Son of God. Like everything else that is type, Melchizedek is the shadow of the reality. This is like the building of the tabernacle in Exodus 25:40 being built according to the “pattern shown to you on the mountain.” Everything that is shadow must be patterned according to the substance it represents. The substance ALWAYS precedes the type but the type must always reflect the reality. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
D. He “remains a priest continually.”
His priesthood is uninterrupted even by death. He leaves his office to no one else. Although Melchizedek has been dead for many centuries, he is still the central figure in the one man forever priesthood. Like the Son of God, he carries his priest beyond the grave. His priesthood, in contrast to that of the Levites is not bound by the physical - “not according to the law of fleshly commandment,” 15-16. This fleshly commandment says that the Levitical priest must end his days of service at the age of 50. The High Priest ended his days of service at his death. In contrast, the priesthood of Melchizedek is greater. He continues as the High Priest of his priesthood even though he is dead, 8.[/FONT]
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Then simply ignore the thread don't respond if it saddens you , because I know a truth your behavior is not always like Christ either, I will rebuke anyone who claims such crap like you bring out of dislike on me, you can say all you want you don't dislike me I know better. Wasn't that long ago you were rude and ugly to me.
