Not By Works

[Desertsrose]

I mean, has there ever been a time in history where christians ran around literally washing feet?

Hi Stunned,

Yes, the early church washed the feet of the saints. There was a widows list. My guess is that they helped these widows with day to day needs.

1 Timothy 5:9,10
A widow is to be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.

Washing feet was the dirtiest job at the time. Or at least that's what I remember from one of our pastors teaching. So to wash feet was a humble job. Those who are proud and arrogant could never do this act of kindness.

Some word sandals and others were barefoot. So who knows what they may have stepped in during the day.

And Jesus used it as a sign.......if you want to be great in God's kingdom, learn to be the servant of all. Many here could learn something by washing others feet.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

And or dogging grace.....................

What did Noah find in God's eyes.........GRACE
What did Saul who became Paul find....GRACE
What do ALL find when they trust Christ.....?

A positioning of Grace......

Romans 5:1-2 <---In the grace wherein we now STAND!

Paul found that grace BEFORE he trusted Christ, even!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hi Stunned,

Yes, the early church washed the feet of the saints. There was a widows list. My guess is that they helped these widows with day to day needs.

1 Timothy 5:9,10
A widow is to be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.

Washing feet was the dirtiest job at the time. Or at least that's what I remember from one of our pastors teaching. So to wash feet was a humble job. Those who are proud and arrogant could never do this act of kindness.

Some word sandals and others were barefoot. So who knows what they may have stepped in during the day.

And Jesus used it as a sign.......if you want to be great in God's kingdom, learn to be the servant of all. Many here could learn something by washing others feet.

So...you think at least a part of the spiritual meaning is to put yourself lower than another, in other words, humble yourself to them.
I agree!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I also wondered about the post he quoted and then said it was more universal nonsense. I read the quoted post three times to try to see what he might have taken that way but I came to the conclusion he may have clicked on the wrong post and meant to address a different one?

 

[Ariel82]

I also wondered about the post he quoted and then said it was more universal nonsense. I read the quoted post three times to try to see what he might have taken that way but I came to the conclusion he may have clicked on the wrong post and meant to address a different one?

He has the wrong definition for universalism..he probably means another term.

Not that that term will be accurate because M thinks Dcon is an easy believism supporter aNd Dcon thinks M is a legalist works salvatuonist.

They are both wrong about the others beliefs but why should the truth matter?

 

[Desertsrose]

But they remain friends, correct? If he rejects it because it doesn't seem right to him with scripture, or if he puts it on the back burner because he just doesn't know if it's true or not yet and waits for God, does he call his friend up and begin screaming at him and calling him a liar and slanderer? Does he say, you need to study more because you're ignorant!! Or does he still LOVE his brother?

Oh definitely!!! Forgot to add that part. Yeah, not all will agree on every issue of faith. They may discuss things later, but they give one another the grace to allow the Lord to grow us up in the true knowledge.

That's the problem here. Like you said, too many want to be teachers, the authority or the Holy Spirit in someones life that doesn't agree with them.

You'd think that some here are perfect, with perfect doctrine and understanding and have never believed or experienced faulty doctrine in their lives ever.

Guys, let's remember this exhortation from Peter.........but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hey, my sisters little girl said she liked my new haircut.
I said, thank you! Everyone is telling me it makes me look younger, do you think so?
She peered very intently at me, thinking hard, and said: Yes! It does! But what about your neck and hands?
You gotta love children!

 

[Ariel82]

https://www.theopedia.com/universalism


Universalism is the theological view arguing that all persons will ultimately be saved. Some also teach that there is no such thing as a literal hell or eternal punishment. Universalism has been asserted at various times in different contexts throughout the history of the Christian church.

Background

"Belief in universal salvation is at least as old as Christianity itself and may be associated with early Gnostic teachers. The first clearly universalist writings, however, date from the Greek church fathers, most notably Clement of Alexandria, his student Origen, and Gregory of Nyssa. Of these, the teachings of Origen, who believed that even the devil might eventually be saved, were the most influential.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hmm...I haven't examined the doctrine of purgatory (maybe it was never even written down for all I know), but it seems to be universalist...

 

[willybob]

Who does the renewing & HOW?

what they don't understand Stephan is that the mind cannot be washed by the word and be renewed while the heart is still in the rebellious sin against God,,the weapons of warfare must be surrendered in repentance, then the grace can start being received and not before..............be blessed

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I remember thinking , years back, that if I was to love my enemies, did it mean I was to love satan. I thought about it for awhile and then just said, no, I never will love him and I will never love spiders.
(This might seem random but the thought came because of what ariel said origen believed - that maybe even satan would be saved.)

 

[Ariel82]

what they don't understand Stephan is that the mind cannot be washed by the word and be renewed while the heart is still in the rebellious sin against God,,the weapons of warfare must be surrendered in repentance, then the grace can start being received and not before..............be blessed

Who is "they"?

 

[willybob]

EG belongs to a home based church movement...he should disclose this when he speaks....

Our experience has never been good with these home based church movements...they are usually formed because of hurt, offense and bitterness towards what they define as a traditional church...and most claim they were never allowed to be the gift they were called to be....invariably we see them become what they left because mature spiritual leadership is lacking and most are still bound by hurt, offense and bitterness....and their self calling manifests and destroys lives...

actually the churches in the book of Acts were all home churches that gathered around a full meal rather that the institutional wine and cracker ceremonial...what the home churches must be on guard against is the clergy laity one man show of Christianity..there are no one man shows, no pastors, no reverends, etc. nor big shots, the only bog shot in the bunch is Jesus..everyone has a word and and a edification , there are no one man show sermons, that stuff came from the Romans/Greek pagan Ambo, and Jesus said it will not be so among you, when speaking to His disciples..........be blessed

 

[preacher4truth]

what they don't understand Stephan is that the mind cannot be washed by the word and be renewed while the heart is still in the rebellious sin against God,,the weapons of warfare must be surrendered in repentance, then the grace can start being received and not before..............be blessed

The above is the subtle (not so subtle to some) dead fruit of a false gospel of works.

No, the people you allude to understand way more than you give them credit for, probably more so than yourself. These know salvation is 100% God and 100% grace, and, that works are only evidence of conversion, not an assist, not maintenance.

Grace is always received before it is deserved or earned as you imply. Since you feel you have earned grace it shows, unfortunately, you have absolutely no understanding of what grace is at all.

 

[graceNpeace]

The above is the subtle (not so subtle to some) dead fruit of a false gospel of works.

No, the people you allude to understand way more than you give them credit for, probably more so than yourself. These know salvation is 100% God and 100% grace, and, that works are only evidence of conversion, not an assist, not maintenance.

Grace is always received before it is deserved or earned as you imply. Since you feel you have earned grace it shows, unfortunately, you have absolutely no understanding of what grace is at all.

Reminds me of this:
[FONT=&quot]5 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]6 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Romans 11:5-6[/FONT]

 

[preacher4truth]

Reminds me of this:
5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. Romans 11:5-6

Exactly. His position isn't grace at all.

These fall under the categorization of those in Galatians 1:8-10.

 

[royalscot]

So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,.

you tell us, your seem to foolish to foolish


What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling ...








What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) ... in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and tremblin

you tell us, you seem to foolish for instructions , and think any quote, you quote is in context to forum topic.

 

[royalscot]

Genesis 1:26

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:[SUP] what does this mean ?

does it mean this
Ecclesiastes 12:7

7 [/SUP]and the dust returns to the ground it came from, (the flesh our bodies)
and the spirit returns to God who gave it. (it seems we are all born with spirit from God at birth at the moment of conception ..) we are all born with spirit....

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14


Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind. This is the work we must do all mankind saved and unsaved..
[SUP]

14 [/SUP]For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

you quote words of the bible. yet ask what do they mean. yet cannot understand the meaning of the word, history,

18 For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.

 

[royalscot]

Behold if you dont obey the lord..(you have yet to prove, when were you appointed judge)

'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.' 23"Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you."

and with no context. you take it up with the judgement you reap with your own blindness.

your reading a forum topic.

when did someone speak. are you to stupid to understand this verse.

Judging Others
37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."


Matthew 7: Judging Others1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.Matthew 7: Judging Others

 

[royalscot]

And also, do you think there could be a spiritual meaning to washing one anothers feet that we may not have considered?

and to think, why quote it , if you cannot translate, the meaning of it.

Originally Posted by BillG

How many of us would wash another's feet?