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no points for second place.

watching others compete , even the devil can do that. the problem with insight, it needs to answer, for there own insight.
even the devil quoted scripture. so when did the devil, add the name of jesus after his prayer.(my post)




42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10




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It is one thing to judge doctrine by the bible and be correct...another entirely different thing to presume to know a man you have not met and judge his lifestyle without knowing one thing about him....
 
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yes, by the influencing power of the Spirit (grace), working within one unto deeds of righteousness, producing the fruit of the Spirit, and not by physical force but rather by the works of llove..............be blessed and dig deep
here a whisper, in you ear.


in deeds and intellect , if we compared our self to what god has done. we

all fall short, of the glory of god.

17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.Romans 5
 

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2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It appears as if the ones on the wide path are the ones that hold unto sin,and think they are right with God,for not everyone that says Lord,Lord,will be able to enter heaven,and Jesus said,they were workers of iniquity,for they thought their sin did not affect their relationship with God,so they held unto sin thinking they were alright,and did not want to get rid of sin,but did it on purpose,loving sin,which love does not think an evil thought,and does not rejoice in iniquity.

They are lazy,and do not do works,or they do not measure up,they neglect the poor and needy,spending money on their wants instead of their needs only,they spend a lot of their time for themselves,and what they enjoy,taking cruises,and vacations,and have to have the material things of the world,while there is the poor and needy that need help,engaging in fleshy pleasures,justifying smoking marijuana,and drinking alcohol,and love worldly entertainment.


Lover of pleasures more than lovers of God.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this SEAL, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

This is the seal that seals the deal,depart from iniquity.

There is no such thing as sinless perfection on earth,and if we sin we should let it go,and move on,but to hold unto sin is the culprit,which many do thinking they are alright.

A person must have the proper perspective of faith,for that faith to be active in their life,and many do not have the proper perspective of faith.
when did you work , for salvation.

1 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will Ephesians 1


2 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
 
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Current Local Time in Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom 5:18 am - the sun comes to you first and then we borrow the sun - so "from the rising of the sun till the time that it goes down, the name of the Lord shall be praised" Good Morning Scotland
hello the sun is not up yet,\0/


5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.Genesis 1


the lord will be praised 24/7 . in different countries of the world.\0/
 
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"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." John14:27
 
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Sorry if i hurt your ego/pride although it's not really me.

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Galatians 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Listen....you hurt nothing....the truth is simple..you are missing the mark by about 10,000 KM when you judge and assess me without knowing me nor my life!
 
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Ephesians 2: By Grace Through Faith
1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience---3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved---6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.Ephesians 2
 
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Listen....you hurt nothing....the truth is simple..you are missing the mark by about 10,000 KM when you judge and assess me without knowing me nor my life!
when dose love, plot revenge ,if one cannot answer, through scripture, one would need to take it up, with context to the scripture quoted , if one what to bind, the world in jesus name, would he need, to be in context to scripture. so why would context to scripture, need binding. etc
 
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Who is Willybob, I went back 11 pages to find his post and became weary of the search.
If you click the little blue arrow thingy to the right of the quoted person's
name, it will take you directly back to the post that is being quoted
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If you click the little blue arrow thingy to the right of the quoted person's
name, it will take you directly back to the post that is being quoted
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Thank you, I did not know until now, thats what friends are for :)
 

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Galatians 6:7-8 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.[/QUOTE]

Hi Seohce, Happened to have this lose canon to reinforce, It's not from me but believe it's of the Lord
The Lord did tell me 6 years ago, "It would be better for you not to have been born than to return to your vomit."
The following is an end-time vision given to an established, seasoned minister of the gospel, Dr. Mark Barclay, and told in his own words. My heart was quickened when I read it and I thought: "This vision needs to be circulated to the body of Christ worldwide for we are seeing the increasing effects of it being unfolded in this hour, although it was given more than 25 years ago."
If you are skeptical of these things I would encourage you to listen to your heart as you read it and allow the Holy Spirit to bear witness with you.
"But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. ... But the anointing which you have received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. For as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in Him" (1 John 2:20, 27)
Here then is the vision told in the minister's own words:
"In 1987 I was a speaker at a camp meeting in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I spoke during the Thursday evening service. Dr. Kenneth E. Hagin spoke during the Friday evening service. I remember that I had just flown in from meetings in Paris, France. I mentioned to my wife how much I would like to stay and hear Dr. Hagin speak. She agreed.
As Dr. Hagin entered the pulpit, he began to pray in tongues. When he started, I started. A moment later, I was caught up in a vision (I was told later that it was probably more like a trance). As I went into this vision, I remember how Dr. Hagin's voice was getting quieter and quieter, until I could hear him no more. It was so quiet all around me I felt like I could hear my own heartbeat.
All of a sudden I felt evil, as if it were surrounding me. Anger rose up in me, and fear tried to get a grip on me. Suddenly, something caught my attention out of my left eye. I turned hard to the left to see what it was. I saw the circumference of the earth, from one edge to the other, and this horrible black, dark cloud was rising up over the horizon. Somehow I knew it would eventually fill the entire earth.
An alarm went off in me, screaming to me to run away from it as fast as I could. I felt like I should scream at it, to stop it in its tracks by using the name of Jesus. I began to rebuke it and started to say, "In the name of Jesus ... " I didn't quite get it out, and the Lord said, "That will do you no good."
"What?" I said.
The Lord said, "Son, you cannot use My name to stop what I prophesied. I am not causing this dark cloud, but I did prophesy it would happen in the last days."
I remember in the vision that I asked the Lord "What is this? What is this evil, tempestuous, dark cloud?"
The Lord said, "This is what I showed My prophet, Isaiah (Isa. 60:1-2). This is every evil thing you can name. It is every demon, it is every disease, it is sickness and bacterial attacks that haven't even been discovered yet. It will cause humans to do things to humans that aren't even human. It is filled with insanity, and many people will lose their mind and their faculties. It is murder, terror, rape, abuse, terrorism, torture and much worse. It is filled with deceptions, heresies, perversions and filth."
Some things the Lord showed me I have not had permission to speak.
I also saw people—many, many people. Some were running into the dark cloud, and some were being sucked into it. It reminded me of this very powerful Shop-vac I have. It will not only suck up the dirt but also my tools, if I don't pay attention.
I saw may people screaming with terror and actually being dragged into this cloud. Though they were refusing it and resisting it with all their strength, they still did not possess the power to stop it.
I was so disturbed when I saw a cross on someone's pocket or jewelry. I remember saying to the Lord, "Who are those people being drawn into this filth and terror, wearing the Christian symbol of the cross? Who are these people, not even resisting? And who are these people, resisting with all their might but it does them no good? They just keep disappearing into this horrible, evil cloud of gross darkness."
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, these are those who do not have clean hands and a pure heart. They have been warned but ignored the warnings. Some even wanted this filth as their lifestyle."
I asked, "Well, who are these wearing the cross?"
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"Oh," the Lord said, "These are the people who claim Me as Savior. Many of them have desired this filth and even fought for it. They make excuses but are not excused. The ones who are resisting thought My prophets were exaggerating and from the old school, and they denied the warnings. Now that this evil has come, they possess little to no power, and certainly not enough to resist and overcome this horrible onslaught of enemy power. Only those with clean hands and a pure heart will be able to totally resist this. It will cover the earth."
There was much more to this, but I began to come out of the vision and once again heard Brother Hagin speaking in tongues from the pulpit.
I asked my wife what had happened, and she said, "Nothing, he hasn't done anything but pray in the spirit."

I began to realize that nobody seemed to see this vision or get caught up into this trance but me. I held my wife's hand a little tighter and began to pray fervently in the spirit. As I did, I got caught up in the spirit again.
Just like before, Brother Hagin's voice got quieter and quieter until it was gone. I found myself alone again. It was so quiet I could hear my own heartbeat. Suddenly, a piercing light hit the corner of my right eye. It was so bright that I instantly shrouded my head with my hands and arms. It reminded me of the intense light that my optometrist uses to examine the back of my eyes. Actually, it was much brighter than that.
Everything within me said, "Turn and look into it. Turn now, and run into it." Yet there was this hesitation because it was so bright it seemed to shine through me. Finally I gave in to it and looked directly at it. With both eyes I saw the depth of this bright cloud. Just like the dark cloud I had seen before, it was coming up over the horizon of the earth. I could tell that it was going to cover the planet. I just knew that I knew that nothing could stop it.
I remembered asking the Lord, "What is this? What is this massive, earth-consuming, bright cloud?"
The Lord answered me and said, "Oh, this is My glory. This is the glory cloud that I showed My prophet Isaiah (Isa. 61:1-2). This is what I promised, that My glory will fill the whole earth."
"Well," I asked, "what is inside the cloud?"
"It is filled with the greatest miracles humans have ever seen. It is filled with healing for every disease, and a cure for every sickness. It is power to overcome sin and filth—to receive the truth and reject error, heresy and doctrines of demons. It is a full manifestation of My Spirit. It is the full anointing of Jesus Christ and more, much more."
He showed me other things that I have no permission to speak at this time.

I saw people in this vision, just like before with the cloud of darkness. Many, many people were running into it and almost frolicking in it. It was like my first response—too bright to behold, and then I wanted to run into it. There were those who seemed to want to pull away from this glory cloud.
"Lord, who will enter into this great glory of God and enjoy this awesome power?" I asked.
"Those who have a pure heart and clean hands," the Lord answered. "They are the ones who will escape the horrible vacuum of the evil, dark cloud and be consumed with My glory. I will require you to tell these things to My people at an appointed time."
Now is that time! As I travel the world over, I see both of these manifestations happening. In fact, I see them beginning to intensify. Sometimes I say that both God and Satan are having a revival among men. We will now see more and more people running to each cloud, causing a great gulf or divide. Could this be the separation of sheep and goats, or the separation of wheat and tares?
I am not a conspiracy-theory person. I am not a fear-based preacher. I am not a prophet of doom. So what I am about to say is none of these. But, I am actually witnessing the spirits of the Antichrist, prepping the people of the earth (including many church goers) for the arrival of the Antichrist himself. I see demons (spirits of the Antichrist) going throughout all the earth. They are slowly re-programming the minds of men (doctrines of demons) to systematically disassemble the work of Christ and disengage the army of God.
You can avoid this, if you choose. If you choose not to, you will suffer the consequences. Please don't do that!" —Dr. Mark Barclay (marktbarclay.com
 

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yes, by the influencing power of the Spirit (grace), working within one unto deeds of righteousness, producing the fruit of the Spirit, and not by physical force but rather by the works of llove..............be blessed and dig deep
It is not "deeds of righteousness" that produces fruit; God produces the fruit; putting a seed in the ground and waiting for fruit to grow, is not; "the Spirit working within one deeds of righteousness producing the fruit of the Spirit," an unbelieving farmer can do that. God made the seed, He causes the seed to germinate and grow until maturity and then He produces the fruit. It is His work from start to finish; planting, watering, and cultivating are not righteous deeds, but bearing fruit is and it is the work of God. This is basic fundamentals of the Faith, no need to dig deep, God already did.

"But the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness;" is all produced by God.Galatians5:22
"He is the author and finisher of our faith." Hebrews12:2
 
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It is not "deeds of righteousness" that produces fruit; God produces the fruit; putting a seed in the ground and waiting for fruit to grow, is not; "the Spirit working within one deeds of righteousness producing the fruit of the Spirit," an unbelieving farmer can do that. God made the seed, He causes the seed to germinate and grow until maturity and then He produces the fruit. It is His work from start to finish; planting, watering, and cultivating are not righteous deeds, but bearing fruit is and it is the work of God. This is basic fundamentals of the Faith, no need to dig deep, God already did.

"But the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness;" is all produced by God.Galatians5:22
"He is the author and finisher of our faith." Hebrews12:2
Amen....Jesus does the work through us as a living sacrifice and exactly why he gets the glory and works do not save...nor keep saved.....
 

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Listen....you hurt nothing....the truth is simple..you are missing the mark by about 10,000 KM when you judge and assess me without knowing me nor my life!
Do you know the people you've insulted, cursed and undermined, bullied and called names for no reason on this thread. Maybe you better just be honest and tell me frankly if you will obey or not what God has commanded in mat 19:16-30 and explain why you seem to evade this.

Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but WITH God all things are possible.”

It's clear that this can only be possible for those who have the Holy Spirit of God in them.

Now prove that you're the done deal.
 
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Jesus SAVES to the uttermost
We are KEPT by the power of God
He begins and finshes our faith
He completes what he started
We are sealed to the day of redemption
We are in His hand and the Father's hand
Nothing shall seperate us from his love
He will Lose NOTHING that has been given unto him
All of these are absolutely true FOR THE ONE WHO CONTINUES TO BELIEVE. They have zero application to the one who has stopped trusting in the blood of Christ. The promises belong to those who continue to believe. That's why we are exhorted and warned to keep believing what we first heard and believed.


For salvation to be lost or forfeit the above must be swept under the rug, denied and or rejected...
The problem is not a matter of denial or rejection so much as is it is a problem of reading the promises of God out and away from the context of the whole counsel of God, which shows us that the sure promises are only sure for the one who continues to believe.


...WE ARE KEPT BY HIS POWER....all who say salvation can be lost are in error....regardless of those who deny the above foundational truths!!
And here's a perfect example. You left off the last part of 1 Peter 1:5. You left off the 'through faith' part. We are kept by God's power for the day of salvation THROUGH FAITH.

"5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1 Peter 1:5 NASB)

There is no argument or debate possible about the necessity to keep believing in order to be saved because the Bible is clear about that. The only real question is, "can a true believer stop believing?" But consider that even Paul warns us to not be arrogant, but rather fear in regard to continuing in the kindness of God:

"19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:19-22 NASB)


So apparently Paul thought it quite possible that we could stop trusting and clinging to God's kindness in salvation.
 
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How can Peter tell the crowd to 'save themselves' but not be teaching a 'works save' gospel?


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38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” " (Acts 2:38-40 NIV)


Or how it is that Paul can say women are saved through childbearing and continuing in love and holiness, and yet he not be teaching a 'works save' gospel?


"But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." (1 Timothy 2:15 NIV)


When you can understand these passages, then you will know how works are required in salvation without those works earning salvation for that person.
 

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What are these works that are required Phart? Everyone says works, but no one says what they are.
 

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How can Peter tell the crowd to 'save themselves' but not be teaching a 'works save' gospel?


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38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” " (Acts 2:38-40 NIV)


Or how it is that Paul can say women are saved through childbearing and continuing in love and holiness, and yet he not be teaching a 'works save' gospel?


"But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety." (1 Timothy 2:15 NIV)


When you can understand these passages, then you will know how works are required in salvation without those works earning salvation for that person.
LOL!

You don't think perhaps you have completely and utterly misunderstood these texts if you trying to invoke them as supporting salvation by works...