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Come on heartofdavid, the AC cannot kill everyone who refuses the mark! Reason being is that, if that were truth then there would be no Gentiles to enter into the millennial period, yet according to scripture we know that there will be.
"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."
The above takes place after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, which reveals that there will be Gentiles who refuse to worship the beast and make it through the tribulation alive and enter into the millennial period. Also if All of the great tribulation saints, which are Gentiles, were killed, then you would have no sheep and goat judgment.
For those who do not worship the image of the beast the sentence is death, but that does not mean that everyone is put to death. It just means that death is the sentence for not worshiping him and his image.
The beast will be given power to wage war against the great tribulation saints and to conquer them during that last 3 1/2 years. We know that these are all Gentiles because of the following:
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.
If what you say was true that "the AC KILLS EVERY HUMANOID REFUSING THE MARK. ALL DIE," then not even Israel would survive to enter into the millennial period, which would mean that all people would be dead on the earth who refused the mark, both Jew and Gentile. Wouldn't be much of a millennial kingdom with no one alive to populate it.
"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."
The above takes place after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, which reveals that there will be Gentiles who refuse to worship the beast and make it through the tribulation alive and enter into the millennial period. Also if All of the great tribulation saints, which are Gentiles, were killed, then you would have no sheep and goat judgment.
For those who do not worship the image of the beast the sentence is death, but that does not mean that everyone is put to death. It just means that death is the sentence for not worshiping him and his image.
The beast will be given power to wage war against the great tribulation saints and to conquer them during that last 3 1/2 years. We know that these are all Gentiles because of the following:
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.
If what you say was true that "the AC KILLS EVERY HUMANOID REFUSING THE MARK. ALL DIE," then not even Israel would survive to enter into the millennial period, which would mean that all people would be dead on the earth who refused the mark, both Jew and Gentile. Wouldn't be much of a millennial kingdom with no one alive to populate it.
It means that "No Man" will be able to buy or sell without the mark. It means that these great tribulation saints will be living outside of the beasts society of electronic buying and selling, which is what the mark will allow them to perform.
I'll ask you again, scripture demonstrates that there will be gentile believers who make it through the tribulation period until Christ returns to end the age. Therefore, by your claim that every HUMANOID is killed, how do you explain the scriptures that show Gentile believers entering into the millennial period?
I'd say that it means that death is the sentence for not worshiping the image of the beast, but not everyone is caught and kiled. Otherwise, you would be left with only Israel entering into the millennial period.
I'll ask you again, scripture demonstrates that there will be gentile believers who make it through the tribulation period until Christ returns to end the age. Therefore, by your claim that every HUMANOID is killed, how do you explain the scriptures that show Gentile believers entering into the millennial period?
I'd say that it means that death is the sentence for not worshiping the image of the beast, but not everyone is caught and kiled. Otherwise, you would be left with only Israel entering into the millennial period.
heartodavid, you are just being ridiculous now! There are too many scriptures that show Gentiles living in the millennial kingdom.
"If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain."
The above is a characteristic of the millennial period. Where did those other peoples of the earth come from if they were all killed by the beast for not receiving the mark? We know that they can't be people who received the mark and worshiped the beast, because all who do will be killed when Christ returns to end the age.
Again, how could there be a judgment of the sheep and the goats? You didn't explain that.
Israel is not the only people that will inhabit the millennial kingdom, for there will be Gentiles as well.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you would make such a claim that only Israel will be on the earth during the millennial kingdom.
"If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain."
The above is a characteristic of the millennial period. Where did those other peoples of the earth come from if they were all killed by the beast for not receiving the mark? We know that they can't be people who received the mark and worshiped the beast, because all who do will be killed when Christ returns to end the age.
Again, how could there be a judgment of the sheep and the goats? You didn't explain that.
Israel is not the only people that will inhabit the millennial kingdom, for there will be Gentiles as well.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you would make such a claim that only Israel will be on the earth during the millennial kingdom.
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Brothers and Sister,
You have read what was written in the parables about the end of days in the message above. Tell me, do any of the theee speak of escape?
It does! When is the escape mentioned?
What happens right after the escape? Is what comes right after the escape not judgment and wrath?
Again, is anyone saved after?
I say to you repent!! Accept the Lord Jesus Christ, love and seek God with all of your heart. Souls and might!! Love your brothers and sisters, do good to those who do evil to you! Put on the Armor of God and stand your post! Live in the Spirit, for those of you who are asleep, awaken! For those who had no faith. May God open eyes and your ears, as he wills it.
Thessalonians 5
6So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God has not destined us for (WRATH), but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
Malachi 3
Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. 3He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the LORD.a 4Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.
How do you refine? How do you shape and make what you want, with what is precious and easily breakable? You delicately Heat and bend? Heat and bend? Would that not be tribulation? So that when you walk before the Lord, your are covered by his righteousness. What must you endure as it is written above? That he gave you power to overcome with the patience and endurance of the saints!! That their works may follow them. If it the easy way when he comes, then why did he say patience and endurance? Why does it say who can endure?
How are we made righteous?
Love to you brothers and sister in Christ
I am open to debate, if you think or feel differently. Show me the scripture that supports what you think was revealed to you.
You have read what was written in the parables about the end of days in the message above. Tell me, do any of the theee speak of escape?
It does! When is the escape mentioned?
What happens right after the escape? Is what comes right after the escape not judgment and wrath?
Again, is anyone saved after?
I say to you repent!! Accept the Lord Jesus Christ, love and seek God with all of your heart. Souls and might!! Love your brothers and sisters, do good to those who do evil to you! Put on the Armor of God and stand your post! Live in the Spirit, for those of you who are asleep, awaken! For those who had no faith. May God open eyes and your ears, as he wills it.
Thessalonians 5
6So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God has not destined us for (WRATH), but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
Malachi 3
Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts. 2But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap. 3He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the LORD.a 4Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD as in the days of old and as in former years.
How do you refine? How do you shape and make what you want, with what is precious and easily breakable? You delicately Heat and bend? Heat and bend? Would that not be tribulation? So that when you walk before the Lord, your are covered by his righteousness. What must you endure as it is written above? That he gave you power to overcome with the patience and endurance of the saints!! That their works may follow them. If it the easy way when he comes, then why did he say patience and endurance? Why does it say who can endure?
How are we made righteous?
Love to you brothers and sister in Christ
I am open to debate, if you think or feel differently. Show me the scripture that supports what you think was revealed to you.
I do not think he kill all the saint, he kill some, he put some to prison
Rev 13
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
Rev 13
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”[d]
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
So, how do you explain the scriptures that reveal Gentiles being on the earth during the millennial period? You're ignoring the scriptures that I am providing such as the one that says, "if any nation does not go up to Jerusalem to worship once a year, they will receive no rain." "Any nation" would infer other than Israel. So, where'd these nations come from if all of the great tribulation saints are killed? And does it make sense to you that only Israel would be here on the earth during the millennium to repopulate it?
Actually guardian your taking Malachi 3:1- 6 out of context. These verses have to do with the incarnation of Jesus Christ as a man. At Malachie 3:1 it says, "Behold I am going to send My messenger/angel, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger/angel of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
If you look at Matthew 3:1-3 it is John the Baptist who prepares the way of the Lord. So, to put it another way this is the Lord's first coming as explained by the writer of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:27,28, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (Btw, as a side note this verse shoots down reincarnation). Vs28, so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, shall appear A SECOND TIME without reference to sin, to hose who eargely await Him."
It is my opinion that there is no pre-trib rapture and these verses (among others) prove that Jesus is not coming to rapture the church and then coming again for others later on. Like the verses say, He came once as it pertains to sin and His second coming is for the Church after the tribulation.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
If you look at Matthew 3:1-3 it is John the Baptist who prepares the way of the Lord. So, to put it another way this is the Lord's first coming as explained by the writer of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:27,28, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (Btw, as a side note this verse shoots down reincarnation). Vs28, so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, shall appear A SECOND TIME without reference to sin, to hose who eargely await Him."
It is my opinion that there is no pre-trib rapture and these verses (among others) prove that Jesus is not coming to rapture the church and then coming again for others later on. Like the verses say, He came once as it pertains to sin and His second coming is for the Church after the tribulation.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
H
Billions take the mark.
THEY are the ones that make up the nations that are run by JESUS and his people.
I am saying there are no Christians on the planet during the reign of the AC.
That is what the bible says. How do you get around it? It is unbelievably clear.
Why do you need Christians running around hiding in caves? It simply is not in the bible.
The sheep and goats are the GWT Judgment. After the millennium. Satan is released,another war is fought and then the sheep and goats are gathered.
THEY are the ones that make up the nations that are run by JESUS and his people.
I am saying there are no Christians on the planet during the reign of the AC.
That is what the bible says. How do you get around it? It is unbelievably clear.
Why do you need Christians running around hiding in caves? It simply is not in the bible.
The sheep and goats are the GWT Judgment. After the millennium. Satan is released,another war is fought and then the sheep and goats are gathered.
H
No,what that is saying is not to resist. Of course they are going to prison. The are going there to be processed. BEHEADED.
You guys don't get it. He rounds up and kills Christians. Somehow,in your mind,you think he doesn't.
It is CRYSTAL CLEAR. The AC kills all Christians. Resisting will do nothing. The BIBLE says " the whole world worships him"
If you are left behind,you die.
You guys don't get it. He rounds up and kills Christians. Somehow,in your mind,you think he doesn't.
It is CRYSTAL CLEAR. The AC kills all Christians. Resisting will do nothing. The BIBLE says " the whole world worships him"
If you are left behind,you die.
H
Actually guardian your taking Malachi 3:1- 6 out of context. These verses have to do with the incarnation of Jesus Christ as a man. At Malachie 3:1 it says, "Behold I am going to send My messenger/angel, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger/angel of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
If you look at Matthew 3:1-3 it is John the Baptist who prepares the way of the Lord. So, to put it another way this is the Lord's first coming as explained by the writer of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:27,28, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (Btw, as a side note this verse shoots down reincarnation). Vs28, so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, shall appear A SECOND TIME without reference to sin, to hose who eargely await Him."
It is my opinion that there is no pre-trib rapture and these verses (among others) prove that Jesus is not coming to rapture the church and then coming again for others later on. Like the verses say, He came once as it pertains to sin and His second coming is for the Church after the tribulation.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
If you look at Matthew 3:1-3 it is John the Baptist who prepares the way of the Lord. So, to put it another way this is the Lord's first coming as explained by the writer of Hebrews at Hebrews 9:27,28, "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, (Btw, as a side note this verse shoots down reincarnation). Vs28, so Christ also, having been offered ONCE to bear the sins of many, shall appear A SECOND TIME without reference to sin, to hose who eargely await Him."
It is my opinion that there is no pre-trib rapture and these verses (among others) prove that Jesus is not coming to rapture the church and then coming again for others later on. Like the verses say, He came once as it pertains to sin and His second coming is for the Church after the tribulation.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Does rev 13 say the entire plant worships the AC?
Does rev 14 have a gathering BEFORE where you place the dead in Christ resurrected?
Boom,boom.
Badazing.
Game,set,match
LOL
heaetofdavid
Tell me heartodavid, can a man have the Holy Spirit without faith? For which one comes first? I tell you he can, but not of God!
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, and scarf it down, all the time praising and seeking more from He who gives the bread of Life. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
Tell me heartodavid, can a man have the Holy Spirit without faith? For which one comes first? I tell you he can, but not of God!
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, and scarf it down, all the time praising and seeking more from He who gives the bread of Life. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
Odd phone is acting alittle crazy, let me try and repost that again. Sorry if I hit the wrong button admin. Now there are three boxes on the side. I though the + meant reply to all??
Heart of David,
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, scarf it down. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
Heart of David,
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, scarf it down. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
Heart of David,
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, scarf it down. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
I see your replies and posts below. Don't worry, I will reply, as the Lord guides me to them. After all, this is His Holy day. You seem very proud of yourself and wise. I am not here for the wise. I see down at the bottom of my last posts you calling it a game, and set, match. You believe this is a game?
I praise God in heaven for providing food for those who have ears, let them hear. For again. I tell you again, darkness falls upon the land and a storms coming. Hear me brothers and sisters.. for it is at the very door.
Heartofdavid you say, I am wrong, below. you have won the game!! I didn't know salvation, repentance, communion and the Word of God was so trivial to you. You correct me and say, I am Wrong, (the Spirit is the oil!). There are no other meanings?
I tell you the truth. Man opens a book and reads words, counsels with another man and believes he has understanding. Without seeking out and asking the author the meaning. A man after Gods own heart would not just read the word, because God is deeper than a word on a page. He would breathe it in, scarf it down. For those who have been Spirit filled know what this means.
Fire cannot burn by itself, it need fuel! Just ask a Fireman. Then what is the fire
rev13
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
yes he kill Christian, but this verse not say all. In the history of persecution, some Christian always hiding. It happen in Russia, China, even in Ambon, east Indonesia, I have a friend in the persecution region, I lost contact, because he hide. I know because his friend told me, he run when there is persecution, but he still alive.
I heard in Ambon during 10 years persecution, only about 4000 Christian die. I believe they have more than hundred thousand Christian there.
In jerusalem there is persecution for the first Christian, but not all kill, Stephen and may some other are kill, but not all.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
yes he kill Christian, but this verse not say all. In the history of persecution, some Christian always hiding. It happen in Russia, China, even in Ambon, east Indonesia, I have a friend in the persecution region, I lost contact, because he hide. I know because his friend told me, he run when there is persecution, but he still alive.
I heard in Ambon during 10 years persecution, only about 4000 Christian die. I believe they have more than hundred thousand Christian there.
In jerusalem there is persecution for the first Christian, but not all kill, Stephen and may some other are kill, but not all.