Is dispensationalism same as replacement theology?

[Snoozy]

'da'? Seriously?

welcome to samoa.
i can stop using it if ur too sensitive for it.
btw why are u calling rapture "escapism" ur boy john macarthur believes in it. and so do many other calvinists.

 

[unobtrusive]

valiant again making da same error of thinking church and israel is da same thing.
u are probably one of da people who read the mount of olives splitting open and think its the gospel being spread by da church. it means what it says.
the church is the church
israel is israel.

there are three groups in this world: jews, gentiles and the church of God

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

u can study da bible for years on end and if u dont rightly divide it ur wasting ur time.
its crazy to say God deals with people da same way. just wait when God pours judgment on the nations instead of showing longsuffering to make them come to repentance like He is doing now.
adam's gospel would of been "dont eat da fruit" before the fall. not "believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ" since it hadnt happened yet. even the disciples didnt get it at first, so we are definately living in the dispensation of the grace of God like Paul said this is a mystery that God revealed through Paul.

makes u wonder how christians dont stand for israel and cant believe the bible anymore, they attack the people who rightly divide it. its end times right now.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15)

I don't think that the phraseology of "rightly dividing" is interpreted correctly by many people who read scripture.

ὀρθοτομέω orthotoméō, or-thot-om-eh'-o; to make a straight cut, i.e. (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message):—rightly divide... to cut straight, to cut straight ways...to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right...to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly.

"For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." (Matthew 3:3)

"For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." (Romans 10:12)

"For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down (liiterally) the dividing wall of the barrier." (Ephesians 2:14) Ephesus is in Turkey.

 

[notuptome]

lol True but they produced a goofy system

Like you are immune to such criticism of your systems of belief.

By the way how many doctorates do you hold?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[unobtrusive]

ANY person who limits the elect to Israel/Jews doesn't know their Scriptures. When presented with the many texts that refute their error, they will not accept this and will do some serious mental gymnastics with the texts and twist plain Scripture.

All the saved were once elect, and all the elect will be saved.

The way I understand things in scripture is that Israel is not all Jewish, but Jews are Israelites. Through Christ, there isn't any difference between Jew, Israelite, or Gentile if individuals of those sects believe in the One True Saviour.

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" (Acts 10:34)

"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:" (Romans 2:29 and 3:29)

 

[unobtrusive]

That's like asking if the earth replaces the globe. The globe was never the real thing- only a representation of the real thing. In the same way, the physical laws of Moses were only a representation of the real (spiritual) laws of Christ. "These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ."

Under Moses a high priest had to sacrifice a physically perfect lamb. But the Bible says the blood of animals never saved anyone from sin. But it represented Christ Whose blood does save us from sin. But their obedience in doing so postponed their sins until the cross.

In John chapter one Jesus came to His own physical people, but they rejected Him, so God rejected them. Now it's "whosoever will". Physical Israelites are no longer God's people unless they get baptized into Christ like everyone else.

"Here there are no Greek (Gentile) or Jew, slave nor free, male or female, but Christ is in them all." (We are CHRISTians).

A globe is a representation of the real thing. (smile) I like to study the ceremonial laws because it tells me of the magnificence of our Lord's sacrifice for us. There are so many spiritual details in parable form. Not only that, we are to present our bodies an acceptable living sacrifice in the sight of God Almighty. This is obviously not a physical thing either, but it is certainly spiritual. AMEN?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No its roots are in Apostolic teaching. Ephesians 2.11-22; I Peter 1.5-9

nope because th OT and Paul in romans 11 counters that,

its roots are founded in the antisemetsm which grew over the Roman Empire, and enforced by the power of the Roman church,

 

[Marano]

ANY person who limits the elect to Israel/Jews doesn't know their Scriptures. When presented with the many texts that refute their error, they will not accept this and will do some serious mental gymnastics with the texts and twist plain Scripture.

All the saved were once elect, and all the elect will be saved.

Amen, I agree with that.

 

[notuptome]

ANY person who limits the elect to Israel/Jews doesn't know their Scriptures. When presented with the many texts that refute their error, they will not accept this and will do some serious mental gymnastics with the texts and twist plain Scripture.

All the saved were once elect, and all the elect will be saved.

You become elect by becoming saved. You do not become saved because you are elect.

Israel's election was by grace and not according to merit. Israel's election did not guarantee salvation. Israel elect among the nations and called out by God to bring the word of God to the nations round about them.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[trofimus]

You become elect by becoming saved. You do not become saved because you are elect.

Where did you get this idea from?

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."
R 8:29

First predestination (election), then calling and then justification.

You made it reversed, why?

 

[unobtrusive]

You become elect by becoming saved. You do not become saved because you are elect.

Israel's election was by grace and not according to merit. Israel's election did not guarantee salvation. Israel elect among the nations and called out by God to bring the word of God to the nations round about them.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

I would agree. Calvinists wouldn't agree with you, such as Trofimus. LOL

 

[eternally-gratefull]

people can not differentiate between the two elections, hence the major issue of disagreement. ,

God elect Israel for a specific purpose. the salvation of all israel was not that purpose. So in order to understand what israel lect means, we need dto see that purpose.

God elect the saved from adam until the last person saved for a different purpose and reason, This election has everythign to do with salvation, aad everyone elect will be saved.

 

[unobtrusive]

people can not differentiate between the two elections, hence the major issue of disagreement. ,

God elect Israel for a specific purpose. the salvation of all israel was not that purpose. So in order to understand what israel lect means, we need dto see that purpose.

God elect the saved from adam until the last person saved for a different purpose and reason, This election has everythign to do with salvation, aad everyone elect will be saved.

I have heard that this dispensing of truth is the re-instigation of the Edenic covenant where humans rule under the direction of God rather than the underworld ruling in an attempt to undermine the will of our Creator which was in the beginning. What say you?

 

[notuptome]

Where did you get this idea from?

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."
R 8:29

First predestination (election), then calling and then justification.

You made it reversed, why?

Nope you have it backward. Predestination is in Christ because of the foreknowledge. God does not cause men to be saved through predestination. God will not save any without their submission to His will. Not all men submit as is evidenced in John 3:18-21

The consequence of original sin is the knowledge of good and evil makes it incumbent on men to choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have heard that this dispensing of truth is the re-instigation of the Edenic covenant where humans rule under the direction of God rather than the underworld ruling in an attempt to undermine the will of our Creator which was in the beginning. What say you?

never heard this and not even sure what it means.

 

[unobtrusive]

I have heard that this dispensing of truth is the re-instigation of the Edenic covenant where humans rule under the direction of God rather than the underworld ruling in an attempt to undermine the will of our Creator which was in the beginning. What say you?

never heard this and not even sure what it means.

Simply put, God's original plan, and the very reason He created humans. We are to image Him (just like the angels) according to the way He created us, a little lower than them. Also, keep in mind Jesus is our creator.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:26)

Then the fallen angels came and were destroying humans and the earth and henceforth the flood during the time of Noah. The war between good and evil has been raging ever since. When the 2nd advent occurs, then Jesus will restore all things back to what they were before the fall of the "first Adam."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Simply put, God's original plan, and the very reason He created humans. We are to image Him (just like the angels) according to the way He created us, a little lower than them. Also, keep in mind Jesus is our creator.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:26)

Then the fallen angels came and were destroying humans and the earth and henceforth the flood during the time of Noah. The war between good and evil has been raging ever since. When the 2nd advent occurs, then Jesus will restore all things back to what they were before the fall of the "first Adam."

the war between good and evil started in the garden, it is seen in Cain and Abel, and it has just gotten worse since then,

 

[unobtrusive]

the war between good and evil started in the garden, it is seen in Cain and Abel, and it has just gotten worse since then,

Well spoken.

 

[Meggido]

No, its not replacement theology.

Its a goofy system that got started in the 1930's by Darby and then promulgated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

The pre-trib rapture...AKA escapism...was not a viable option until these goons came onto the scene.

Lets not forget the Father of this lie, Francisco Ribera.....

 

[Meggido]

James 4:11 ¶ Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Could I suggest you dial it back a notch or two? Darby and Schofield are men of God and ministers of the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

By defending CI Scofield, you do know you are endorsing a well know tax cheat, fraudster, forger,drunk and emotional, physical abuser of women and and children, and a man who abandoned his first wife and kids and left them to starve...he was forced to resign and could not serve in public office because of all his scandals...

The History is there, now go learn about it and stop blindly supporting the devils own...

 

[valiant]

Nope you have it backward. Predestination is in Christ because of the foreknowledge. God does not cause men to be saved through predestination.

God causes men to be saved through election. This then results in His predestinating them for His purpose. He makes the choice not us. His foreknowledge is proginosko (entering into relationship beforehand), not prooida, (knowing about beforehand).