Is dispensationalism same as replacement theology?

[preacher4truth]

Good point. Seems to me as being Biblical. Jesus knocks first, and then it's our turn whether we will let Him in or not.

Wait? WHAT? Did you even bother to read what he said? He said we knock first, he isn't saying what you think he said, that is that Jesus knocks first.

We must open the door he has offered to us, because He IS the door. (Revelation 3:20)

That passage isn't an invitation and Gospel call to salvation. It is given to the church, not the lost world at large.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" (Matthew 7:7) We certainly do have a choice.

The context above is not referring to an Gospel invitation to salvation. Show me one Gospel message that shows a person must ask, seek, and knock to get into heaven.

You can't.

The Gospel is repent and believe, and be baptized. That is the Gospel invitation so what Jesus is speaking is something different altogether. But, it isn't above you to take Scripture out of context as I've shown you several times now, you should have a greater reverence for the Word than this.

That and I've already given you passages showing salvation isn't via human decision, something that is very clear and something you are avoiding.

 

[BeyondET]

maybe instead of bloviating over things, be intellectually honest and tell people you are a die hard predestination/elect, double predestination believer.....

Dear readers, this poster is a die hard Calvinist, TULIP planting and double predestination, believer....

tread carefully, he does not tell people so he can bloviate endless with you....

It is unfortunate some believe they are the elect, though they do not know the day they first committed a sin, they chose to walk away, and now the only way to get that back and by being reinstated and that is through Christ.

 

[BeyondET]

Wait? WHAT? Did you even bother to read what he said? He said we knock first, he isn't saying what you think he said, that is that Jesus knocks first.



That passage isn't an invitation and Gospel call to salvation. It is given to the church, not the lost world at large.



The context above is not referring to an Gospel invitation to salvation. Show me one Gospel message that shows a person must ask, seek, and knock to get into heaven.

You can't.

The Gospel is repent and believe, and be baptized. That is the Gospel invitation so what Jesus is speaking is something different altogether. But, it isn't above you to take Scripture out of context as I've shown you several times now, you should have a greater reverence for the Word than this.

That and I've already given you passages showing salvation isn't via human decision, something that is very clear and something you are avoiding.

You listen to a false voice in your head, telling you, you are one of the elect, God isn't going tell you that, so you can preach your prideful heart, no if your apart of the elect you won't know it until the end of your days on earth.

 

[preacher4truth]

BeyondET, one of the best choices I've made is to place you on ignore. I've found if a person here had to do it once, they will have to do it again.

Nothing you say is biblical here, you argue tradition and know very little of any Biblical truth. You've also encouraged a Jehovah's Witness on this forum to continue being just that.

You also attack those who expose error in the church, who are warning others.

I've tried in the past to reconcile with you and wondered what was wrong with you, but now I see it clearly - you're not a Bible abiding Christian, you sow discord, your teachings go as far as to support JW's, you place your tradition above the Word of God in spite of what God says in Scripture.

Sad to see, but it's nonetheless true. There is little hope for anyone who will not listen to the Word and rejects clear teachings that go contrary to what they teach. Avoiding these types is biblical.

 

[Meggido]

It is unfortunate some believe they are the elect, though they do not know the day they first committed a sin, they chose to walk away, and now the only way to get that back and by being reinstated and that is through Christ.

The best part is that i think he has me on ignore....lol

 

[BeyondET]

BeyondET, one of the best choices I've made is to place you on ignore. I've found if a person here had to do it once, they will have to do it again.

Nothing you say is biblical here, you argue tradition and know very little of any Biblical truth. You've also encouraged a Jehovah's Witness on this forum to continue being just that.

You also attack those who expose error in the church, who are warning others.

I've tried in the past to reconcile with you and wondered what was wrong with you, but now I see it clearly - you're not a Bible abiding Christian, you sow discord, your teachings go as far as to support JW's, you place your tradition above the Word of God in spite of what God says in Scripture.

Sad to see, but it's nonetheless true. There is little hope for anyone who will not listen to the Word and rejects clear teachings that go contrary to what they teach. Avoiding these types is biblical.

Your not telling me anything knew brother, your heart is a burnt out shell, a empty town.

How do I know because if you really knew him, you wouldn't say such things as (the best choices you made was placing me on ignore), you may do it that's ok, but to be speak it openly so others can see, is where you make your mistakes. for you may think your hurting my feelings by saying such things, but you vastly wrong about who I am.

Everyone has a moments when things don't always agree and may even get real heated, but the next day you should forgive them and give people a chance, forgive them not 7 times but 70. Do you understand that language?

 

[valiant]

You listen to a false voice in your head, telling you, you are one of the elect, God isn't going tell you that, so you can preach your prideful heart, no if your apart of the elect you won't know it until the end of your days on earth.

The Bible says that we can know if we are God's elect NOW. If we have truly put our full confidence in Jesus Christ for salvation the we know that we are God's elect. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ not by works.

 

[BeyondET]

The Bible says that we can know if we are God's elect NOW. If we have truly put our full confidence in Jesus Christ for salvation the we know that we are God's elect. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ not by works.

Have you heard that still small voice tell you, You are the Elect, or Saved?

 

[1ofthem]

BeyondET, one of the best choices I've made is to place you on ignore. I've found if a person here had to do it once, they will have to do it again.

Nothing you say is biblical here, you argue tradition and know very little of any Biblical truth. You've also encouraged a Jehovah's Witness on this forum to continue being just that.

You also attack those who expose error in the church, who are warning others.

I've tried in the past to reconcile with you and wondered what was wrong with you, but now I see it clearly - you're not a Bible abiding Christian, you sow discord, your teachings go as far as to support JW's, you place your tradition above the Word of God in spite of what God says in Scripture.

Sad to see, but it's nonetheless true. There is little hope for anyone who will not listen to the Word and rejects clear teachings that go contrary to what they teach. Avoiding these types is biblical.

You're really one to talk about being nonbiblical ...aren't you?

You want scripture to read then here ya go....
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Meaning everyone will get a call and have a chance, but it's up to them whether to accept it or not.

 

[plainguy]

In reference to the OP's question and sadly ironic, ... dispensationalism itself is the true replacement theology.

 

[unobtrusive]

Utter baloney. Christ said we cannot come to God without the drawing, and teaches that we are unable "no man can come to me...". You say, no, we have to knock first. So, no need to wonder who is correct here because you're just making up your own little gospel of fairness that is not based in Scripture.

Frankly, your "we knock first" is heresy.

Furthermore I've given Scripture showing what I've stated that proves our salvation isn't via human decision. The Scriptures are plain and clear on this.

So, in essence, in your tradition, against the Word, you're saying the Word is wrong. Yep.

Your tradition > The Word of God in your own mind.

Now, go refute the actual Scriptures given to support your man made soteriology. It is also noted you provide not one Scripture, just your idea of how it should be based ion, well, nothing.

Keep in mind when people (mostly girl and boy) fall in love with each other, it might end up in a marriage. Christ is the betrothed husband, and the church is His betrothed bride. The love relationship she experiences from Him is "drawing." She sees herself in him and then chooses him and she clearly sees His desire for her. That is what "drawing" really means. She makes the choice if she wants to be the bride and we make the choice as individuals. It's a reciprocal relationship.

 

[unobtrusive]

In reference to the OP's question and sadly ironic, ... dispensationalism itself is the true replacement theology.

Question to you also. Does God replace His own words, and does He delete previous dispensations and start again with a brand new tactic? That would be ironic since He doesn't change according to His word. Neither does Jesus.

 

[plainguy]

Question to you also. Does God replace His own words, and does He delete previous dispensations and start again with a brand new tactic? That would be ironic since He doesn't change according to His word. Neither does Jesus.

Let this soak in.


Joshua 21:45

45 Not one of the good promises which the Lord had spoken to the house of Israel failed; all had come to pass.

 

[preacher4truth]

Keep in mind when people (mostly girl and boy) fall in love with each other, it might end up in a marriage. Christ is the betrothed husband, and the church is His betrothed bride. The love relationship she experiences from Him is "drawing." She sees herself in him and then chooses him and she clearly sees His desire for her. That is what "drawing" really means. She makes the choice if she wants to be the bride and we make the choice as individuals. It's a reciprocal relationship.

Pure sentimentalism, pragmatism and not one passage of Scripture to support your story.

You should find it troubling that; 1) You don't use Scripture here; 2) When you do use Scripture it is out of context, thus you misuse it; 3) You refuse to acknowledge or even address Scripture given you that clearly refutes your traditionalism and position.

Man, I hope you wake up. You're not a Biblically based person as far as being accurate with Scripture. You're not employing 2 Timothy 2:15 with your usage of the Word.

When are you going to grow and allow properly applied Scripture to adjust your theology instead of taking it out of context and making it say what you want it to say?

I've shown you your errors of interpretation and of taking Scripture out of context, namely Joshua 24:15, Revelation 3:20, and have clearly shown that salvation isn't via man's choice, with several proofs. You've avoided this all along.

When are you going to grow and let the Word show you your errors? I say and ask this in concern and love for a professing believer.

 

[unobtrusive]

Let this soak in.


Joshua 21:45

45 Not one of the good promises which the Lord had spoken to the house of Israel failed; all had come to pass.

In context...
43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

The land was promised to Abraham's seed, and it all came to pass as promised. Abraham was also told that his seed would bless many nations. It is beautiful scripture showing God's mercy and consistency. He and His ways are to be greatly honoured.

 

[valiant]

Keep in mind when people (mostly girl and boy) fall in love with each other, it might end up in a marriage. Christ is the betrothed husband, and the church is His betrothed bride. The love relationship she experiences from Him is "drawing." She sees herself in him and then chooses him and she clearly sees His desire for her. That is what "drawing" really means. She makes the choice if she wants to be the bride and we make the choice as individuals. It's a reciprocal relationship.

No man can come to Me except MY FATHER draw him. You must have a funny idea about marriage,,

 

[John146]

No man can come to Me except MY FATHER draw him. You must have a funny idea about marriage,,

[h=1]John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.​[/h]All men are drawn unto the Lord in some way. Not all men will receive the Lord as Savior.

 

[unobtrusive]

Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the Christian Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Thus, adherents of Replacement theology believe the Jews are no
longer God’s chosen people, and that God’s covenants with them have been cancelled. In other words, according to Replacement theology, the Jewish people today no longer have any unique part to play in God’s plans–they are just like any other nation on the earth(English, Spanish, Chinese, etc.). All the stuff God wanted to do with the Jews in the Old Testament, He is now doing instead with Christians.

Here, in point form, are the main tenets of Replacement Theology:
1.Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more
precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.
2.The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, Chinese or Egyptians.
3.Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.
4.The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given
to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

As a result of these beliefs, Replacement theology is forced to interpret the many prophecies in Scripture about Israel in allegorical and ‘spiritualized’ ways; they have to find ways of reading the Christian Church into all of those prophecies about the future instead of the literal nation of Israel and the Jewish people, since the Church has replaced the Jews in God’s plan for the world.

 

[SovereignGrace]

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.​

All men are drawn unto the Lord in some way. Not all men will receive the Lord as Savior.

The word of God is not some way as you put it, but is the only way ppl are drawn to God. John 6:45 for starters.

 

[preacher4truth]

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.​

All men are drawn unto the Lord in some way. Not all men will receive the Lord as Savior.

You've been told this once prior, to be drawn is to be finally saved, that is the meaning and outcome of all drawn. But, maybe you're a Universalist, and that is what you are teaching.

Anyhow:

"...this drawing of them to him, in consequence of his death, supposes distance from him, want of power, and will, to came to him, and the efficacious grace of God to bring them, though without any force and compulsion; and this is to be understood not of every individual of human nature; for all are not drawn to Christ, or enabled to come to him, and believe in him. There were many of the Jews who would not, and did not come to him for life; and who instead of being drawn to him in this sense, when lifted up on the cross, vilified and reproached him; moreover, in the preceding verse, "a world" is spoken of, whose judgment, or condemnation, was now come; and besides, there was at this time a multitude of souls in hell, who could not, nor never will be, drawn to Christ; and a greater number still there will be at the last day, who, instead of drawing to him in this gracious way and manner, will be bid to depart from him, as having been workers of iniquity."