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Oh, so now she is saying because Judas preached, he was "saved". Unbelievable.
Here we have Jesus refuting her false teachings, once again:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Crack. Open. Your. Bible.
Here we have Jesus refuting her false teachings, once again:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Crack. Open. Your. Bible.
Fran has been studying with me personally for close to two years.
What I see in this thread are a lot of heated arguments that cause a lot of misunderstanding.
If someone is wrong, it's hard to tell them if ten people are yelling at them at once.
There is no love in that.
It shows each person has their own agenda and that person will see that it is fulfilled.
The Holy Spirit would not allow you to be part of that confusion.
Think about it.
What I see in this thread are a lot of heated arguments that cause a lot of misunderstanding.
If someone is wrong, it's hard to tell them if ten people are yelling at them at once.
There is no love in that.
It shows each person has their own agenda and that person will see that it is fulfilled.
The Holy Spirit would not allow you to be part of that confusion.
Think about it.
P
Thank you. We have 75% of the battle conquered...you understand the argument.
Except for the 'unborn' part, I agree. The born again experience is a one-time deal. It only happens once, only needs to happen once, and God does not allow it to happen for a person a second time. You only get one shot at it.
Yes, being born again is a completed action that continues up to the present time. No one disputes this. And it will continue as a completed action into the future if you keep believing. That's what the Bible plainly says.
The author of your quote says the born again person is continuously believing. That has to be true. That's what secures the born again experience. But will that person always believe? That is the true question of whether or not OSAS is true.
The only fundamental disagreement with Calvinist OSASer's I have is I believe that genuinely believing people can stop believing. Calvinists believe if you stop believing you were 'not really' a true believer to begin with. They say if you had been a true believer you would not have stopped believing. I respect the argument, but I also respectfully disagree with it at this point in my doctrinal development (and personal experience--no not me, someone else, lol).
Except for the 'unborn' part, I agree. The born again experience is a one-time deal. It only happens once, only needs to happen once, and God does not allow it to happen for a person a second time. You only get one shot at it.
Yes, being born again is a completed action that continues up to the present time. No one disputes this. And it will continue as a completed action into the future if you keep believing. That's what the Bible plainly says.
The author of your quote says the born again person is continuously believing. That has to be true. That's what secures the born again experience. But will that person always believe? That is the true question of whether or not OSAS is true.
The only fundamental disagreement with Calvinist OSASer's I have is I believe that genuinely believing people can stop believing. Calvinists believe if you stop believing you were 'not really' a true believer to begin with. They say if you had been a true believer you would not have stopped believing. I respect the argument, but I also respectfully disagree with it at this point in my doctrinal development (and personal experience--no not me, someone else, lol).
You sure do like to twist things 
I believe it was in reference to putting God in our debt by trying to add to our salvation by works
Have you not come to this thread and put yourself under fire by taking the opposing view as always
What I am trying to understand is why?
I believe it was in reference to putting God in our debt by trying to add to our salvation by worksHave you not come to this thread and put yourself under fire by taking the opposing view as always
What I am trying to understand is why?
Incorrect doctrine hurts me plenty.
NO!
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
You have much to learn Allen. Emotional attachments should never be greater than the truth of Gods Word. Stubbornness is rebellion. Love for God..all our heart, mind, strength, is primary. The second is to love others. To hold to truth in the face of opposition is loving others and in the case of Judas? It was at his expense so to speak. The same here.
Are you thinking it should be, I'm ok, you're ok. Just love each other and be happy?
would you die for that?
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This is offensive and completely untrue
NO!
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
I'm leaving.
I pray that you all understand that we are to PRACTICE what we PREACH.
It matters not about Judas. It IS an interesting subject to discuss since different theologians have different beliefs.
But it's IMPOSSIBLE to disuss anything on this thread.
Think about WHY.
Because the word WORKS scares all of you too much.
Think about WHY.
Love to you all.
I pray that you all understand that we are to PRACTICE what we PREACH.
It matters not about Judas. It IS an interesting subject to discuss since different theologians have different beliefs.
But it's IMPOSSIBLE to disuss anything on this thread.
Think about WHY.
Because the word WORKS scares all of you too much.
Think about WHY.
Love to you all.
NO!
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
I know what I say and mean it.
Persons here parrot what he says and do not seem to think on their own.
How could it be that you are all gathered here together?
When I'm not here you talk to each other and encourage each other in your INCORRECT doctrinal beliefs.
Let's see you, one time, disagree with Dcon, your pope, who proclaims and you follow.
You're not even CONSIDERING what I'm saying about Judas.
Read up on some theologians that say this.
You think I sit around and read the bible and make up my own doctrine like some here do?
NO. This is NOT the way to learn theology.
Theology is learned by studying with theologians.
dcon and I disagreed last evening. I know he's wrong, (
) so was not offended. Am teasing here.Just study on your own Fran. Let Holy Spirit teach you. Let Him fill you with His Word and it will well up out of you as you speak.