Pre-Post-Mid Trib

[Enow]

Christians need to be crystal clear that there are two sets of trumpets:

(1) for those who are saved. they summon the saints home or summon them to Christ and

(2) those who are lost, the unbelieving and the ungodly, they face the seven trumpet judgments of the 7th seal.

So the last trumpet judgment (announced by the "seventh angel") pours out God's wrath upon the earth(Rev 10:7-19:4), whereas the "last Trump" (which is also called the Trump of God) as in 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thess 4:16, is to summon the Church home (to Heaven).

[Note :The Resurrection/Rapture should be seen as one event, with the resurrection preceding the Rapture, and all of this is a moment of time.] This is a stupendous supernatural event which will be hidden from the world, since it is strictly for the saints.

For the contents of the scroll to be known, all seven seals has to be broken; and so all seven trumpets are being blown at once, in the matter of succession, but it is done all at once.

If you think about what is involved in the seventh and last trump, it can be blown at the same time as the last trump which raptures the abiding saints to the Marriage Supper, because Jesus did testify that destruction immediately follows it.

So look at each trump blown and you will see God is changing the way the world is now to what the world will suffer and be like during the great tribulation period.

The seventh trumpet cannot be blown later on during or at the end of the great tribulation when it is a part of what the world will be like in that hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.

There is no Scripture proof that there are two sets of trumps, one for the saved and one for the lost.
That is your opinion so as to support what you believe.

The two sets of trumps are actually the same one. One for the saved abiding in Him to be taken, and one for changing the world right at or after the pre trib rapture event.

 

[Guardian1970]

Actually guardian your taking Malachi 3:1- 6 out of context.


Brother,

I agree with what you said, Christ will come for his Curch and we will see tribulation, but I tell you. Are we not already oppressed and in tribulation? Has darkness not already fallen?

Our country has made laws against prayer in school, a boy was suspended because he was reading the Bible during free reading time. Another got into trouble for passing out bible verses during lunch. People have lost, or ben threstened to lose their lively hoods, because they would not partake in the others sin and celebrate that which God has ordained an abomination. Or that they would not provide a way to kill an unborn child (day after pill). You can google about this and find their articles/stories. Though their abomination sin is between them and God and I would not talk down to them, nor judge them. for we are all sinners. I also would not celebrate in their sin, just like celebrating murder or theft. I will not partake and bow down to Baal. I want you all to read this article below about NK and really look at the words used. Pre-tribulation? Are we not already in it? What do you think our brothers and sisters think, where ISIS is or in countries like North Korea. Where they are being killed. It said you will be hated by all nations for my names sake. Especially pay attention to those words in the article about NK.

North Korea: How Christians survive in the world's most anti-Christian nation | Fox News

https://crtxnews.com/new-jersey-school-forces-students-watch-pro-islamic-video-mothers-fight-back/

San Diego school district to boost Islam lessons to combat bullying, create Muslim safe spaces - Washington Times

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.amp.html

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student | Fox News

They have even started to cancel prayers before "gov" meetings. Or in contrary allow satanic churches to hold prayer. Many will be offended and fall away because of it. Haven't they already? We have hate groups who claim they are Christians but teach hate. Again, making people fall away. You have pastors condoning murder as righteous, because a man mass murdered homosexuals and lesbians? Let he who is without sin. cast the first stone. Don't you see, look at your church and ask your pastor, better yet research it for your selves. Church attendance has dropped tremendously. Look at what is being preached.

As Matthew clearly states. immediately after the tribulation He comes and gathers his elect/the snatching away. Then the wrath is poured out, Israel is protected by God and God alone. They will then see Him for what He is then, because He comes as they had previously expected Him, as a conquer. Why was the last week in Daniel held off. Till the time appointed comes.

In "context" I know what your saying,
I ask you to remember though, how there is a foreshadowing brother, if the Bible is more then a word on a page. Then how deep is it?

Why was a lamb or male goat chosen by God to be slaughtered and it's blood put upon the doors? So that death would pass over them and not harm their first born. While it came and took all the Egyptians first born, Is that the only reason? Was that the end of the meaning?

Then brothers and sisters can we not say with confadence this was a foreshadowing of the blood of the lamb to be shed, so that by his blood and our repentance and acceptance would mark the door to our heart. Where he knocks? By accepting Him, who was sent by God and his blood sacrifice, Praise Be to God!! That it opens the door, that no man can shut, and marks the door to our heart. That when the time comes death will also pass over us.

Brothers and Sisters the Bible is more then words on a page, it's lives and breathes. It is three dementional in space and time connecting and proving itself again and again. This is what I am moved to say. That is why I stressed again, it is good to look for signs, but let us open our eyes wide and search together to understand what we are looking for and at. Most of all keep watch.

There is another foreshadowing. Why was Moses commanded to sit eating Passover fully dressed, with staff in hand at the ready?

It is more important now regardless of pre/post/mid whatever. To call for repentance and return to your first love!! Be at the ready! Seek and stay in Christ! I know you guys have seen the news. What of this eclipse, where people will be getting married and being merry in that day under the eclipse, a sign that many others say was another sign of Jonah. I am in agreement with them. So then does that teaching not have two meanings? Because one could easily argue and agree that Jonah was in the belly of a Whale for thee days. As Christ was in the earth. So then, the eclipse that helped convince them to repent whom Jonah was sent to. Would that not be the second part, the sign for a shocked and adulterous world?

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Love to you brothers and sisters, your humble brother in Christ.

 

[Persuaded]

For the contents of the scroll to be known, all seven seals has to be broken; and so all seven trumpets are being blown at once, in the matter of succession, but it is done all at once.

If you think about what is involved in the seventh and last trump, it can be blown at the same time as the last trump which raptures the abiding saints to the Marriage Supper, because Jesus did testify that destruction immediately follows it.

So look at each trump blown and you will see God is changing the way the world is now to what the world will suffer and be like during the great tribulation period.

The seventh trumpet cannot be blown later on during or at the end of the great tribulation when it is a part of what the world will be like in that hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.



The two sets of trumps are actually the same one. One for the saved abiding in Him to be taken, and one for changing the world right at or after the pre trib rapture event.

I challenge you to show me Scripture proof of two sets of trumpets.
You are only giving your opinion.

 

[Jackson123]

Actually guardian your taking Malachi 3:1- 6 out of context.


Brother,

I agree with what you said, Christ will come for his Curch and we will see tribulation, but I tell you. Are we not already oppressed and in tribulation? Has darkness not already fallen?

Our country has made laws against prayer in school, a boy was suspended because he was reading the Bible during free reading time. Another got into trouble for passing out bible verses during lunch. People have lost, or ben threstened to lose their lively hoods, because they would not partake in the others sin and celebrate that which God has ordained an abomination. Or that they would not provide a way to kill an unborn child (day after pill). You can google about this and find their articles/stories. Though their abomination sin is between them and God and I would not talk down to them, nor judge them. for we are all sinners. I also would not celebrate in their sin, just like celebrating murder or theft. I will not partake and bow down to Baal. I want you all to read this article below about NK and really look at the words used. Pre-tribulation? Are we not already in it? What do you think our brothers and sisters think, where ISIS is or in countries like North Korea. Where they are being killed. It said you will be hated by all nations for my names sake. Especially pay attention to those words in the article about NK.

North Korea: How Christians survive in the world's most anti-Christian nation | Fox News

https://crtxnews.com/new-jersey-school-forces-students-watch-pro-islamic-video-mothers-fight-back/

San Diego school district to boost Islam lessons to combat bullying, create Muslim safe spaces - Washington Times

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.amp.html

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student | Fox News

They have even started to cancel prayers before "gov" meetings. Or in contrary allow satanic churches to hold prayer. Many will be offended and fall away because of it. Haven't they already? We have hate groups who claim they are Christians but teach hate. Again, making people fall away. You have pastors condoning murder as righteous, because a man mass murdered homosexuals and lesbians? Let he who is without sin. cast the first stone. Don't you see, look at your church and ask your pastor, better yet research it for your selves. Church attendance has dropped tremendously. Look at what is being preached.

As Matthew clearly states. immediately after the tribulation He comes and gathers his elect/the snatching away. Then the wrath is poured out, Israel is protected by God and God alone. They will then see Him for what He is then, because He comes as they had previously expected Him, as a conquer. Why was the last week in Daniel held off. Till the time appointed comes.

In "context" I know what your saying,
I ask you to remember though, how there is a foreshadowing brother, if the Bible is more then a word on a page. Then how deep is it?

Why was a lamb or male goat chosen by God to be slaughtered and it's blood put upon the doors? So that death would pass over them and not harm their first born. While it came and took all the Egyptians first born, Is that the only reason? Was that the end of the meaning?

Then brothers and sisters can we not say with confadence this was a foreshadowing of the blood of the lamb to be shed, so that by his blood and our repentance and acceptance would mark the door to our heart. Where he knocks? By accepting Him, who was sent by God and his blood sacrifice, Praise Be to God!! That it opens the door, that no man can shut, and marks the door to our heart. That when the time comes death will also pass over us.

Brothers and Sisters the Bible is more then words on a page, it's lives and breathes. It is three dementional in space and time connecting and proving itself again and again. This is what I am moved to say. That is why I stressed again, it is good to look for signs, but let us open our eyes wide and search together to understand what we are looking for and at. Most of all keep watch.

There is another foreshadowing. Why was Moses commanded to sit eating Passover fully dressed, with staff in hand at the ready?

It is more important now regardless of pre/post/mid whatever. To call for repentance and return to your first love!! Be at the ready! Seek and stay in Christ! I know you guys have seen the news. What of this eclipse, where people will be getting married and being merry in that day under the eclipse, a sign that many others say was another sign of Jonah. I am in agreement with them. So then does that teaching not have two meanings? Because one could easily argue and agree that Jonah was in the belly of a Whale for thee days. As Christ was in the earth. So then, the eclipse that helped convince them to repent whom Jonah was sent to. Would that not be the second part, the sign for a shocked and adulterous world?

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Love to you brothers and sisters, your humble brother in Christ.

In the history of christianity, tribulation always happen. But great tribulation where Christian all the world can not by or sale If not take the mark of the beast not happen yet.

 

[bluto]

Actually guardian, don't you think I know all of that? I simply pointed out that Malachie 3:1 and the following verses are not about the tribulation period. It's about Jesus Christ coming the first time as it pertains to sin. And like I said, I'm a post-tribulationist which means Christians will go through the tribulation period.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[heartofdavid]

Actually guardian, don't you think I know all of that? I simply pointed out that Malachie 3:1 and the following verses are not about the tribulation period. It's about Jesus Christ coming the first time as it pertains to sin. And like I said, I'm a post-tribulationist which means Christians will go through the tribulation period.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Then two things have to be true.

1) Christians take the mark,and get a pass

2) the dead in Christ rise after the living are gathered in rev 14.

That dog won't hunt

 

[Guardian1970]

Brothers and Sisters,

Man did this thing run!! Anyone by chance watching CBS during the eclipse? A reporter in Nashville was waiting for it to come through. He interviewed one family. Then he talked to a woman. Both were a ways behind him. That just happened to be there. Her name was Jonah... yes, it was a woman. Does this mean anything? Oh yeah and the desk news anchor woman actually said JonahJew together by "accident".

Now you have seen several times I have said darkness falls and a storm comes. Last time I put storms. Was this by chance? Maybe, was it by chance that on 22 Aug Typhone Hato made landfall? Maybe... it is storm season right?

Next a hurricane name Harvey quickly formed and rushed toward Corpus Christi (Christ Body). Just at the last second, when it looked like total distinction was certain and (after some damage) was taken, it started turning and then turned hard away.

It directly hit rockport.. What could this mean? That is, if it had meaning. Flooding everything, Houston and other areas.

Now come Irma, let's look at these in order and the name meanings.

Hato= Herd
herd
flock of sheep
a clique; a ring of people

Harvey= iron and blazzing

Irma= World

Then again, maybe it's all by chance,

After all, what's in a name...


I tell you again brothers and sisters.
Repent, seek the Lord your God. Strive to live in the Spirit and renounce/hate the world, Serve Him and seek His will.

Love to you brothers and sisters in Christ

 

[Guardian1970]

Oh, and for those of you who are saying, what your saying. No, I'm not, I'm just stating what those with little faith will say.

 

[Guardian1970]

Brother and Sisters.

Some people claim thy don't believe there is a God.

They ask. If there was one, why would he allow bad things to happen to good people?

Jesus asked why do you call me good? Only God is good!

If Jesus makes such a profound statement and His testimony is the Spirit of prophecy.

Should we then not ask by who's measure do you claim they are good? Man's or God's?

For if we all strive and come short of the Glory of God. That we are all sinful. Who would claim such a position?

God made the rain to fall on the just and un-just. He made the sun to shine on both. He said allow the wheat to grow with the chaff until I harvest.

Brothers and Sister. Is it not true that in the darkest hours, is it not the time for His light within you that shine the brightest?

In Houston this week yiu did not see black vs white, homosexual vs Christian, democrat vs republican. You saw love, help and hope. At the same time you saw the worst of humanity. Those who only care for themselves and what they can gain. It is in the darkness your light can shine the brightest, if you let it! It is in the darkness those in the dark are even darker.

For those who ask that question, then if God has ordained no separation till the end. Then tell me, will good not fall upon evil? Will evil not also fall upon good?

I tell you the truth it is by the hand of man and in whom they serve that decides if brother hates and does evil to his brother. Or if a man is full of God's perfect love and does good, even unto those who do evil to them. By your fruits you will know who is who. As it goes darker, it will be more obvious.

Praise be to God!!

Love. Your brother in Christ

 

[NayborBear]

I'm one who believes, ain't nobody, goin' nowheres. Ya see, "thief in the night". When one ponders on it? What comes to mind? First thing would be SURPRISE! Yet in what, or which way surprised? "Caught up in the air". In the sky? One may well think, or believe that, but Paul didn't say sky. He said air! Air?...Where? What air? Air between your ears air? Here, is where the"thief" as I wrote above does a "work" that will fake you outta yer shoes, in the how this thing that has been monikered "rapture" transpires. Many think, it's this way or that way, or, it happens this day or that time, or another time, and as satan's tribulation continues to perpetuate itself with his flood of lies, and his locust army, and know what? There STILL here! So, I keep askin' 'em: "Whatta y'all still doin' here?" (crickets) Yet, in a day er 3, they'll come in spoutin' some "newer" interpretation er revelation, in efforts to "keep hangin' on" to that "Old Timw Religion".

So yeah?.....I believes in a "being caught up". But, it ain't the kind that you'll be a ascending into the air for, in a spiritual body, whilst a leaving yer carcass on terra firma. Lord God may be grieved He made man flesh, and, for good reason/s. and even more so, as time goes on. But, we all gonna be surprised!

As far as "current events" unfolding go, Guardian1970? In these eyes/ears, yer a preachin' to the choir. Having said that, however, I SHALL "Defend" the faith! If perhaps I get a mite too aggressive defending? It's called CONTENDING for the faith as well, yanno? But, that which is "righteous indignation", is oft times, and by otherwise goodly/Godly people too, seen as: "That ain't love!" Which is the how satan is getting away with all this chit! Oh?...he's gonna go, ubetcha! But, it can be done in lot less chaotic manner, if God people called by His name, would turn from their wicked ways! Repent, and He will not only heal you! He'll heal this land! Where, we may shine like a light on the hill, once more!

 

[dcontroversal]

Mid and post get eliminated right away.

The AC KILLS EVERY HUMANOID REFUSING THE MARK. ALL DIE.

That happens at the first of the trib.

Pretrib is the correct position.

All others carry a gross impossibility

Keep believing that.......and tell that to the saints spoken of in Daniel and Revelation who endure the beast when he makes war against them, overcomes them and wears them out for 3.5 years......and post 37 is hilarious!

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm one who believes, ain't nobody, goin' nowheres. Ya see, "thief in the night". When one ponders on it? What comes to mind? First thing would be SURPRISE! Yet in what, or which way surprised? "Caught up in the air". In the sky? One may well think, or believe that, but Paul didn't say sky. He said air! Air?...Where? What air? Air between your ears air? Here, is where the"thief" as I wrote above does a "work" that will fake you outta yer shoes, in the how this thing that has been monikered "rapture" transpires. Many think, it's this way or that way, or, it happens this day or that time, or another time, and as satan's tribulation continues to perpetuate itself with his flood of lies, and his locust army, and know what? There STILL here! So, I keep askin' 'em: "Whatta y'all still doin' here?" (crickets) Yet, in a day er 3, they'll come in spoutin' some "newer" interpretation er revelation, in efforts to "keep hangin' on" to that "Old Timw Religion".

So yeah?.....I believes in a "being caught up". But, it ain't the kind that you'll be a ascending into the air for, in a spiritual body, whilst a leaving yer carcass on terra firma. Lord God may be grieved He made man flesh, and, for good reason/s. and even more so, as time goes on. But, we all gonna be surprised!

As far as "current events" unfolding go, Guardian1970? In these eyes/ears, yer a preachin' to the choir. Having said that, however, I SHALL "Defend" the faith! If perhaps I get a mite too aggressive defending? It's called CONTENDING for the faith as well, yanno? But, that which is "righteous indignation", is oft times, and by otherwise goodly/Godly people too, seen as: "That ain't love!" Which is the how satan is getting away with all this chit! Oh?...he's gonna go, ubetcha! But, it can be done in lot less chaotic manner, if God people called by His name, would turn from their wicked ways! Repent, and He will not only heal you! He'll heal this land! Where, we may shine like a light on the hill, once more!

The expanded above is what most imminent returners flock to as proof text (usually 1 of 2) to prove their stance.....read down 2 more verses....BUT BRETHERN YOU ARE NOT IN DARKNESS THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF.