Not By Works

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stonesoffire said:
You said kept by our good works. Many times in fact.
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Absolutely Stone!

Are you ashamed of your good works?

I'm not ashamed of mine.
I'm not ashamed to say that Jesus requires us to obey Him.
I'm not ashamed to say that works keep me saved, as He said.

Do you ever read the verses I post IN THE BIBLE or do you just run right past them?

Jesus said that if we do not abide in Him WE ARE DEAD AND TO BE BURNED.

IF WE ABIDE in Him, it means we're obeying Him.
If we're obeying Him we're doing good works.

If we're NOT DOING GOOD WORKS we're DISOBEYING GOD.
You know, not disobeying our husband... disobeying GOD.

So yes, our works keep us saved because JESUS said to do them and it is proof of our salvation.

What is the proof of YOURS???
And why are you ASHAMED of OBEYING GOD?

You're SUPPOSED to obey God.
See Deuteronomy 31:15-20
You'll love it.

It says that God gives you a choice.
To obey or not to obey.

To obey is LIFE.
To not obey is DEATH.

Read the WHOLE BIBLE.
 
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JIMBO43 said:
you can take this or leave it to.. adam and eve where in the garden and got disconnected but still had the chance to come back.. as why else would he cloth them..

its no diffrent now we have the chance to be reconnected and in the garden,, but only in spirit and not body like they where.. we will only be truly in the garden again when we recieve are new bodies... put that in ya pipe and smoke it...
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The garden symbolically is our heart.

lol...smokin'....
 
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UnderGrace said:
Yes this is true because I have read it many times...:p
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Sweetie,
You should not only READ IT

You should DO IT.

And not be ASHAMED of it.

JESUS SAID IT'S NECESSARY TO DO WORKS.

But, alas, YOU do not believe Jesus.
Sad.
 
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FranC said:
Absolutely Stone!

Are you ashamed of your good works?

I'm not ashamed of mine.
I'm not ashamed to say that Jesus requires us to obey Him.
I'm not ashamed to say that works keep me saved, as He said.

Do you ever read the verses I post IN THE BIBLE or do you just run right past them?

Jesus said that if we do not abide in Him WE ARE DEAD AND TO BE BURNED.

IF WE ABIDE in Him, it means we're obeying Him.
If we're obeying Him we're doing good works.

If we're NOT DOING GOOD WORKS we're DISOBEYING GOD.
You know, not disobeying our husband... disobeying GOD.

So yes, our works keep us saved because JESUS said to do them and it is proof of our salvation.

What is the proof of YOURS???
And why are you ASHAMED of OBEYING GOD?

You're SUPPOSED to obey God.
See Deuteronomy 31:15-20
You'll love it.

It says that God gives you a choice.
To obey or not to obey.

To obey is LIFE.
To not obey is DEATH.

Read the WHOLE BIBLE.
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Why would anyone be ashamed of the works of Holy Spirit Fran?

What works are you boasting of?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Which exact verse are you speaking about? Since I never know with the way you take things out of context. :p
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You're saying the above to PHart.

How come you never ask Dcon what verse HE'S talking about?

Oh. I know.
Because you and he (Dcon) only know the ones that serve YOUR beliefs and you don't really know the REST OF THE STORY.
You should learn it !


END OF STORY.
 
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stonesoffire said:
The garden symbolically is our heart.

lol...smokin'....
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nope the garden is not our heart.. because the garden can not be corrupted.. our hearts can be corrupted..but whats inside it cant so it has to leave...
 
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~Rom 1:5　 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:　

Obedience to the faith. Attentive hearkening is the definition.

Disobedience is unbelief.
 
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Really, then offer a clear rebuttal to the Perfect Tense, where it is used in the New Testament by your own expertise, in Koine Greek....not present day Greek, but Koine Greek.

I will be waiting. :)

Until you can do that your gospel of salvation by works (front, back or middle) is false.

FranC said:
Well UG
I do love that sentence I highlighted.,,
So i works are to bear witness to who we are in Christ,
and we don't do good works,

What does that say about who we are in Christ?

So if we're OUT OF CHRIST, we're not saved.

The problem is that you believe that once one is saved they are Always saved?

That, unfortunately for you, is also a false gospel.

I've posted so much scripture and I see it's pretty useless.
Just use your common sense.

IF FAITH SAVES US, And faith is DEAD without good works,

Then what happens if we do not have good works?
OUR FAITH IS DEAD.
And we are NO LONGER saved.

Common sense.
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JIMBO43 said:
nope the garden is not our heart.. because the garden can not be corrupted.. our hearts can be corrupted..but whats inside it cant so it has to leave...
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~Son 4:12　 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.　


Son 4:13　 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,
　
Son 4:14　 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
　
Son 4:15　 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.　
Together in the Garden of Love
Son 4:16　 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.　

The Bride of Christ. Is it hidden? Or revealed to you?

Lebanon is the beat of our heart for our Bridegroom. Look at the Hebrew. Is lovely with revelation.
 
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we all know the story of moses.. he preached the law abided in the law and met Jesus in spirit after his death on earth..

the moral here is obeying the law until the end indeed is a good sign you will meet Jesus
 
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More false accusations ;) Love it!!

If you did your research you would know dcon and I had a pretty big disagreement on faith and I have not been swayed to see it the way he sees it.

But I know one thing for sure dCon preaches the trues simple gospel that saves...... where the cross is more than necessary but also sufficient to save.

FranC said:
You're saying the above to PHart.

How come you never ask Dcon what verse HE'S talking about?

Oh. I know.
Because you and he (Dcon) only know the ones that serve YOUR beliefs and you don't really know the REST OF THE STORY.
You should learn it !


END OF STORY.
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stonesoffire said:
Holy Spirit is the power of the engine to take you to your destination.
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BUT YOU'RE NOT IN the car!

I guess it's difficult to understand that JESUS hung on that cross for you.

And what do you get to do??

NOTHING????

Nice God you've got there.
Too bad it's not the God of the bible.

Try reading all of Mathew 5.
I am not posting it again.
BUT READ IT.
It'll bless your little heart.
(or maybe not. You might have to actually do some walking)
 
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stonesoffire said:
~Son 4:12　 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.　


Son 4:13　 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,
　
Son 4:14　 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:
　
Son 4:15　 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.　
Together in the Garden of Love
Son 4:16　 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.　

The Bride of Christ. Is it hidden? Or revealed to you?

Lebanon is the beat of our heart for our Bridegroom. Look at the Hebrew. Is lovely with revelation.
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none of this says your heart is your garden... i would say beautiful ideas blooming from the mind is more like your garden
 
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TruthTalk said:
You are insulting good Church going folks around the world - nobody believes "By Grace you are saved," means to sit and do nothing. Your statement sounds like a broken record from the people who want to justify themselves. Foolish nonsense.
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You feel insulted?
Good!

Maybe you'll get up and actually do something.
Oh. You ARE doing something?

Then why are you afraid to say so?
Afraid of losing some friends here?

Or are you another easy believer?

What do you tell New Christians?
DON'T DO ANYTHING, JESUS has already done everything for you

or do you tell them to go out and feed the poor, as you yourself do???
 
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FranC said:
Absolutely Stone!

Are you ashamed of your good works?

I'm not ashamed of mine.
I'm not ashamed to say that Jesus requires us to obey Him.
I'm not ashamed to say that works keep me saved, as He said.

Do you ever read the verses I post IN THE BIBLE or do you just run right past them?

Jesus said that if we do not abide in Him WE ARE DEAD AND TO BE BURNED.

IF WE ABIDE in Him, it means we're obeying Him.
If we're obeying Him we're doing good works.

If we're NOT DOING GOOD WORKS we're DISOBEYING GOD.
You know, not disobeying our husband... disobeying GOD.

So yes, our works keep us saved because JESUS said to do them and it is proof of our salvation.

What is the proof of YOURS???
And why are you ASHAMED of OBEYING GOD?

You're SUPPOSED to obey God.
See Deuteronomy 31:15-20
You'll love it.

It says that God gives you a choice.
To obey or not to obey.

To obey is LIFE.
To not obey is DEATH.

Read the WHOLE BIBLE.
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In the OT yes, the choice was to obey law or not. And they could not. Had to sacrifice animals, young animals before they acted out of their maturity or the beast nature.

But, NT choice is will we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from this untoward generation. Not sure what untoward means. Will look but it sounds bad. :)

Believing what God the Father has given is pleasing Him. Unbelief or rejection of the gospel will bring His wrath. And His wrath is not going to be poured out on His own members.
 
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I will never believe works are necessary to keep us saved....why?..... because this nullifies the work of the cross which is something that you are not yet able to see.

Perhaps one day:)

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 2:21


FranC said:
Sweetie,
You should not only READ IT

You should DO IT.

And not be ASHAMED of it.

JESUS SAID IT'S NECESSARY TO DO WORKS.

But, alas, YOU do not believe Jesus.
Sad.
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FranC said:
BUT YOU'RE NOT IN the car!

I guess it's difficult to understand that JESUS hung on that cross for you.

And what do you get to do??

NOTHING????

Nice God you've got there.
Too bad it's not the God of the bible.

Try reading all of Mathew 5.
I am not posting it again.
BUT READ IT.
It'll bless your little heart.
(or maybe not. You might have to actually do some walking)
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so, is Matthew 5 the entire Gospel? are these the only Words that Christ spoke on earth? or are they other Words that need to be used to balance ( not contradict ).

come on fran, you advised to " go deeper ", I am, why have not addressed anything I have posted lately?? too deep for you??
 
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JIMBO43 said:
none of this says your heart is your garden... i would say beautiful ideas blooming from the mind is more like your garden
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lol...am sorry you can't see.

as I said...you can take it or not. I am not offended. It's your choice.
 
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JIMBO43 said:
none of this says your heart is your garden... i would say beautiful ideas blooming from the mind is more like your garden
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Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. Prov 4:23

Matthew 12:34
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good?
For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Matthew 15:18
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander.

Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,

Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good treasure of his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil treasure of his heart. For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

2 Kings 10:31

Proverbs 23:19
Listen, my son, and be wise, And direct your heart in the way.
 
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FranC said:
BUT YOU'RE NOT IN the car!

I guess it's difficult to understand that JESUS hung on that cross for you.

And what do you get to do??

NOTHING????

Nice God you've got there.
Too bad it's not the God of the bible.

Try reading all of Mathew 5.
I am not posting it again.
BUT READ IT.
It'll bless your little heart.
(or maybe not. You might have to actually do some walking)
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Maybe I'm in the back seat with a chauffeur driving.
 
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