i don't want to derail the thread, but read Isaiah 66. 
I read it. Are you talking about the very end where it says men will look on their corpses?
Corpses don't scream and writhe in torment. Corpses are silent..
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Yes, God forbid that anyone should say anything other than what has been said hundreds of times in the last 1500 pages!
I read it. Are you talking about the very end where it says men will look on their corpses?
Corpses don't scream and writhe in torment. Corpses are silent..
I read it. Are you talking about the very end where it says men will look on their corpses?
Corpses don't scream and writhe in torment. Corpses are silent..
I don't care to discuss this UG.
I've been saying all along that Greek is complicated and we shouldn't even be discussing it.
The aorist tense is the ONE USED TO DESCRIBE A PAST ACTION THAT CONTINUES INTO THE FUTURE
which is what our Greek experts here who beleive in OSAS ALWAYS tell me.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
Once again. Disappeared because of discomfort.
It's incredible.
Here's something. You have the internet. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS. I'm the FIRST ONE to say I don't understand it.
Unlike some here who also don't understand it but they like to think they do.
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Modern linguists describe aspect using the terms 'imperfective', 'perfective', and 'perfect'.
Aspectually, the aorist is 'perfective'. Perfective use means that the verb makes no explicit reference to the internal temporal constitution of a state. That is, it reveals nothing about the internal order and phases of a situation. This doesn't mean that the situation lacks such features. Rather the perfective verb simply doesn't refer to them.
(A relatively clear contrast in Greek is that between the indicative mood imperfect and aorist. Both refer to past time, but former is imperfective, the latter perfective.)
Aspectually, the perfect typically relates a state to a preceding situation.
Aorist tense in Ancient Greek expresses a single past event, whereas imperfect tense expresses continuous past events. However, in other moods aorist does not refer to the time (tense) but expresses that something happens once, not continuously or repeatedly.
In Nenets, aorist expresses present time if the action is continuous but past time if the action is a single moment. For example, he stands-AOR would mean "he is standing" but he says-AOR would mean "he said".
The Aorist Tense of Greek Verbs
NEW TESTAMENT GREEK VERBS
In Biblical Greek there are 6 different tenses. Of these, 4 have a second form which is merely a spelling variation of the original form, but which does not alter the meaning of the original tense. Thus: the "future tense" conveys exactly the same meaning as the "second future tense", the "perfect tense" conveys exactly the same meaning as the "second perfect tense", the "pluperfect tense" means the same as the "second pluperfect tense" and the "aorist tense" means exactly the same as the "second aorist tense". Thus, grammatically there are 10 different tenses; but these have between them only 6 different meanings.
Besides having a tense, Greek verbs almost always also have "a voice" and "a mood". However, it is important to understand that the voice and the mood do NOT affect the timing the verb has reference to. The timing of a verb is determined by the tense, and not by the voice or the mood.
A verb in the present tense is always present tense, with every combination of voice and mood; a verb in the future tense is always future tense, with every possible combination of voice and mood. Thus, when we want to determine what timing a verb has reference to, we only need to concern ourselves with the 6 different tenses.
The 6 different tenses in Biblical Greek (they are not all found in modern Greek) are made up as follows:
- a present tense;
- a future tense;
- 3 past tenses (perfect, imperfect and pluperfect);
- an aorist tense.
THE AORIST TENSE
The aorist tense (and its grammatical variation, the second aorist tense) has no clear equivalent in English. It is characterized by its emphasis on precise accordance with details, WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE TIME! Some authorities disagree with this assessment for reasons we'll look at in a minute.
The aorist tense is NOT just another past tense. Its emphasis is really on precise accordance with details. HOWEVER, those details OBVIOUSLY must have reference to one of the other tenses ... past, present or future! In actual practice the uses of the aorist tense in the Bible refer OVERWHELMINGLY to one of the 3 past tenses. For that reason most translators have rendered it in most cases as the simple past tense. And that is why even many scholars may look upon it as just another form of past tense.
But the aorist tense is also used sufficiently often to very clearly refer to the present tense and to the future tense to demonstrate that it cannot be limited to the past tense. It is used by the writers (and the speakers who are quoted) of the New Testament when they were concerned with emphasising that their statements were correct and precise.
In the Majority Text of the Greek New Testament there are 28862 occurrences of Greek verbs. Of these, 11765 occurrences (or 40,7%) are in the present tense. A further 6836 occurrences (or 23,6%) are in the aorist tense and a further 5207 occurrences (or 18,0%) are in the second aorist tense (purely a grammatical variation). Together these two aorist tenses are used over 12000 times in the New Testament. That means that over 41% of all Greek verbs in the New Testament are in the aorist tense. It is the most used tense in the Greek text of the New Testament. Together the aorist tenses and the present tense are used for over 82% of all verbs in the New Testament, leaving less than 18% of all verbs for the remaining four other tenses (the future tense plus the three past tenses).
Those over 12000 occurrences of the aorist tense represent a lot of emphasis, by speakers and writers, on precise correctness of details.
As I said earlier, the overwhelming majority of times this does in fact refer to the past tense. But let's now look at a few examples where the aorist tense very clearly refers to the present tense or to the future tense. I will present only a few examples as illustrations, though there are in fact many more that could be cited.
In the following Scriptures all the CAPITALIZED VERBS are in the aorist tense with the active voice and the indicative mood:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I AM WELL PLEASED. (Matthew 3:17)
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light IS SPRUNG UP. (Matthew 4:16)
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God IS COME unto you. (Matthew 12:28)
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, HE HIDETH, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Matthew 13:44)
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I AM WELL PLEASED; hear ye him. (Matthew 17:5)
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees SIT in Moses' seat: (Matthew 23:2)
For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but IT WITHERETH the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. (James 1:11)
A bruised reed SHALL HE NOT BREAK, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. (Matthew 12:20)
Paul used the aorist tense with the active voice and the subjunctive mood in 1 Cor. 16:12.
As touching [our] brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren: but his will was not at all to come at this time; but he will come WHEN HE SHALL HAVE CONVENIENT TIME. (1 Corinthians 16:12)
John also used the aorist tense with the active voice and subjunctive mood in 1 John 2:24.
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning SHALL REMAIN IN YOU, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. (1 John 2:24)
Let's look at one more Scripture where the aorist tense and the second aorist tense and the present tense are all used together.
Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that HE IS both DEAD (aorist, active, indicative) and BURIED (second aorist, passive, indicative), and his sepulchre IS (present tense) with us unto this day. (Acts 2:29)
These examples (and many more could be cited) should suffice to demonstrate that the aorist tense is indeed at times used to convey the present tense and also at times the future tense. This becomes clear from the context in which this tense is used.
The lesson for us is this:
In most cases the aorist tense does not really affect the way we understand a specific Scripture. Usually the context makes quite clear which tense applies from our perspective, and so the translators have in the overwhelming number of cases got it right.
However, SOMETIMES changing the past tense for the present tense or the future tense can have a major impact on the meaning of a specific verse. And in some such cases it may not be immediately obvious from the context which tense (i.e. when the Greek text employs one of the two aorist tenses) applies in our way of viewing the tenses.
In such cases it behoves us to examine that Scripture very carefully. Simply because the translators (some of them, or even many of them) decided to translate that particular occurrence into the past tense in their English translations, that alone is not any guarantee that they were correct in doing so.
A better understanding of the use of the aorist tense should assist us in coming to a better understanding of the New Testament in general terms.
Frank W. Nelte
I've been saying all along that Greek is complicated and we shouldn't even be discussing it.
The aorist tense is the ONE USED TO DESCRIBE A PAST ACTION THAT CONTINUES INTO THE FUTURE
which is what our Greek experts here who beleive in OSAS ALWAYS tell me.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
Once again. Disappeared because of discomfort.
It's incredible.
Here's something. You have the internet. DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS. I'm the FIRST ONE to say I don't understand it.
Unlike some here who also don't understand it but they like to think they do.
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Modern linguists describe aspect using the terms 'imperfective', 'perfective', and 'perfect'.
Aspectually, the aorist is 'perfective'. Perfective use means that the verb makes no explicit reference to the internal temporal constitution of a state. That is, it reveals nothing about the internal order and phases of a situation. This doesn't mean that the situation lacks such features. Rather the perfective verb simply doesn't refer to them.
(A relatively clear contrast in Greek is that between the indicative mood imperfect and aorist. Both refer to past time, but former is imperfective, the latter perfective.)
Aspectually, the perfect typically relates a state to a preceding situation.
Aorist tense in Ancient Greek expresses a single past event, whereas imperfect tense expresses continuous past events. However, in other moods aorist does not refer to the time (tense) but expresses that something happens once, not continuously or repeatedly.
In Nenets, aorist expresses present time if the action is continuous but past time if the action is a single moment. For example, he stands-AOR would mean "he is standing" but he says-AOR would mean "he said".
The Aorist Tense of Greek Verbs
NEW TESTAMENT GREEK VERBS
In Biblical Greek there are 6 different tenses. Of these, 4 have a second form which is merely a spelling variation of the original form, but which does not alter the meaning of the original tense. Thus: the "future tense" conveys exactly the same meaning as the "second future tense", the "perfect tense" conveys exactly the same meaning as the "second perfect tense", the "pluperfect tense" means the same as the "second pluperfect tense" and the "aorist tense" means exactly the same as the "second aorist tense". Thus, grammatically there are 10 different tenses; but these have between them only 6 different meanings.
Besides having a tense, Greek verbs almost always also have "a voice" and "a mood". However, it is important to understand that the voice and the mood do NOT affect the timing the verb has reference to. The timing of a verb is determined by the tense, and not by the voice or the mood.
A verb in the present tense is always present tense, with every combination of voice and mood; a verb in the future tense is always future tense, with every possible combination of voice and mood. Thus, when we want to determine what timing a verb has reference to, we only need to concern ourselves with the 6 different tenses.
The 6 different tenses in Biblical Greek (they are not all found in modern Greek) are made up as follows:
- a present tense;
- a future tense;
- 3 past tenses (perfect, imperfect and pluperfect);
- an aorist tense.
THE AORIST TENSE
The aorist tense (and its grammatical variation, the second aorist tense) has no clear equivalent in English. It is characterized by its emphasis on precise accordance with details, WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR PAST, PRESENT OR FUTURE TIME! Some authorities disagree with this assessment for reasons we'll look at in a minute.
The aorist tense is NOT just another past tense. Its emphasis is really on precise accordance with details. HOWEVER, those details OBVIOUSLY must have reference to one of the other tenses ... past, present or future! In actual practice the uses of the aorist tense in the Bible refer OVERWHELMINGLY to one of the 3 past tenses. For that reason most translators have rendered it in most cases as the simple past tense. And that is why even many scholars may look upon it as just another form of past tense.
But the aorist tense is also used sufficiently often to very clearly refer to the present tense and to the future tense to demonstrate that it cannot be limited to the past tense. It is used by the writers (and the speakers who are quoted) of the New Testament when they were concerned with emphasising that their statements were correct and precise.
In the Majority Text of the Greek New Testament there are 28862 occurrences of Greek verbs. Of these, 11765 occurrences (or 40,7%) are in the present tense. A further 6836 occurrences (or 23,6%) are in the aorist tense and a further 5207 occurrences (or 18,0%) are in the second aorist tense (purely a grammatical variation). Together these two aorist tenses are used over 12000 times in the New Testament. That means that over 41% of all Greek verbs in the New Testament are in the aorist tense. It is the most used tense in the Greek text of the New Testament. Together the aorist tenses and the present tense are used for over 82% of all verbs in the New Testament, leaving less than 18% of all verbs for the remaining four other tenses (the future tense plus the three past tenses).
Those over 12000 occurrences of the aorist tense represent a lot of emphasis, by speakers and writers, on precise correctness of details.
As I said earlier, the overwhelming majority of times this does in fact refer to the past tense. But let's now look at a few examples where the aorist tense very clearly refers to the present tense or to the future tense. I will present only a few examples as illustrations, though there are in fact many more that could be cited.
In the following Scriptures all the CAPITALIZED VERBS are in the aorist tense with the active voice and the indicative mood:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I AM WELL PLEASED. (Matthew 3:17)
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light IS SPRUNG UP. (Matthew 4:16)
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God IS COME unto you. (Matthew 12:28)
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, HE HIDETH, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Matthew 13:44)
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I AM WELL PLEASED; hear ye him. (Matthew 17:5)
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees SIT in Moses' seat: (Matthew 23:2)
For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but IT WITHERETH the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. (James 1:11)
A bruised reed SHALL HE NOT BREAK, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. (Matthew 12:20)
Paul used the aorist tense with the active voice and the subjunctive mood in 1 Cor. 16:12.
As touching [our] brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren: but his will was not at all to come at this time; but he will come WHEN HE SHALL HAVE CONVENIENT TIME. (1 Corinthians 16:12)
John also used the aorist tense with the active voice and subjunctive mood in 1 John 2:24.
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning SHALL REMAIN IN YOU, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. (1 John 2:24)
Let's look at one more Scripture where the aorist tense and the second aorist tense and the present tense are all used together.
Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that HE IS both DEAD (aorist, active, indicative) and BURIED (second aorist, passive, indicative), and his sepulchre IS (present tense) with us unto this day. (Acts 2:29)
These examples (and many more could be cited) should suffice to demonstrate that the aorist tense is indeed at times used to convey the present tense and also at times the future tense. This becomes clear from the context in which this tense is used.
The lesson for us is this:
In most cases the aorist tense does not really affect the way we understand a specific Scripture. Usually the context makes quite clear which tense applies from our perspective, and so the translators have in the overwhelming number of cases got it right.
However, SOMETIMES changing the past tense for the present tense or the future tense can have a major impact on the meaning of a specific verse. And in some such cases it may not be immediately obvious from the context which tense (i.e. when the Greek text employs one of the two aorist tenses) applies in our way of viewing the tenses.
In such cases it behoves us to examine that Scripture very carefully. Simply because the translators (some of them, or even many of them) decided to translate that particular occurrence into the past tense in their English translations, that alone is not any guarantee that they were correct in doing so.
A better understanding of the use of the aorist tense should assist us in coming to a better understanding of the New Testament in general terms.
Frank W. Nelte
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Ooops...... no one will loose salvation period, because those that are saved have eternal assurance of salvation cause Jesus said so!
Yes I do understand what you are saying.
No one will loose salvation over tongues, I have only a small understanding of the Greek myself, however some things are so obvious in the original Greek I though Phart would be persuaded, but he was not.
My worry is that there is a concerted effort (almost like a conspiracy but now quite) to have those less secure in their walk fall into a work for salvation thinking which we both know is miserable.
But it is true, eventually it will be work of the Holy Spirit if they have genuine desire to know.
The ignore button is another good option.
No one will loose salvation over tongues, I have only a small understanding of the Greek myself, however some things are so obvious in the original Greek I though Phart would be persuaded, but he was not.
My worry is that there is a concerted effort (almost like a conspiracy but now quite
) to have those less secure in their walk fall into a work for salvation thinking which we both know is miserable.But it is true, eventually it will be work of the Holy Spirit if they have genuine desire to know.
The ignore button is another good option.
I guess you missed the point.
What was Jesus interested in?
What did He preach about?
Why did He become flesh?
He spoke about salvation 5 times.
He spoke about the Kingdom 100 times.
I don't understand your reply...
How could salvation NOT be undone?
What if we don't follow the rules of the Kingdom?
We get to stay in there anyway?
So how would God be a just God in that case?
What was Jesus interested in?
What did He preach about?
Why did He become flesh?
He spoke about salvation 5 times.
He spoke about the Kingdom 100 times.
I don't understand your reply...
How could salvation NOT be undone?
What if we don't follow the rules of the Kingdom?
We get to stay in there anyway?
So how would God be a just God in that case?
No worries, it happens to all of us, the word twisting that is, you are not in anyone's way.....it is the message they hate it offends their ego.
You carry on here...I enjoy your posts, you speak from the heart.
You carry on here...I enjoy your posts, you speak from the heart.
A very honest reply I must say.
I guess persons that TWIST what someone is saying feel that everyone TWISTS words.
Unfortunately, I feel I'm very clear in my speech.
If not, what can I say. I do my best.
I often don't understand what you say but ask for clarity.
Maybe we should just stop talking to each other?
Yes. That's a good idea.
Yes I am. Jesus was referring to this passage of Scripture when He said the worm doesn't die. God came so that we would not perish, but have eternal life. Death is the last enemy to go. Death isn't God's friend. God is the Author of Life. Eternal, abundant, life that can ONLY come from Him. Because while God spoke truth saying Adam would surely die it wasn't the end of His plan. Through the Child of Eve not Cain which is I have brought forth (works), or Abel, meaning God appointed, but through Seth which means Substituted, Christ is our Substitution, He crushed the head of the serpent. Later the race is wiped out besides Noah, meaning Rest or Comfort, and by listening to God and having faith he built the Ark. This Ark that came from Rest withstood the judgment of God on humanity.
The Lord has been invading this world through the faith of men because His plan is Love and eternal life. He didn't let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of life in their diseased state because they would have permanently been that way. And thus begins the the effectual power of the gospel, the revelation of God's goodness. Which was questioned by the first accuser and lead Adam and Eve into self-driven disobedience.
The Lord has been invading this world through the faith of men because His plan is Love and eternal life. He didn't let Adam and Eve eat from the tree of life in their diseased state because they would have permanently been that way. And thus begins the the effectual power of the gospel, the revelation of God's goodness. Which was questioned by the first accuser and lead Adam and Eve into self-driven disobedience.
Yes, God forbid that anyone should say anything other than what has been said hundreds of times in the last 1500 pages!
I read it. Are you talking about the very end where it says men will look on their corpses?
Corpses don't scream and writhe in torment. Corpses are silent..
I read it. Are you talking about the very end where it says men will look on their corpses?
Corpses don't scream and writhe in torment. Corpses are silent..
U
This is all fine but not even what I was talking about. I was discussing the Perfect Tense
Again you are just making assumptions about people....you also stated you would not come back to this thread
but I will admit you do make it lively on occasion, and you distract me from my work which I so appreciate
but really come on, just accept the Greek is against you
Again you are just making assumptions about people....you also stated you would not come back to this thread
but I will admit you do make it lively on occasion, and you distract me from my work which I so appreciate but really come on, just accept the Greek is against you
Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
Luke 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luke 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I see less than fifty times. Truth twisting indeed. I am glad you finally see it.
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mark 4:26 And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;
Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
Mark 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mark 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Luke 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Luke 9:11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Luke 13:18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?
Luke 13:20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Luke 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luke 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luke 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
I see less than fifty times. Truth twisting indeed. I am glad you finally see it.
The difference is your working for dogma that places grace, faith and biblical salvation after works.....faith saves and any fruit or work are the results of......not FOR! AND like the pharisee of old you push a dogma not approved of God nor taught in scripture.....
I suggest you do pay attention to the words of Jesus when he soeaks of the plenteous in number group that comes before his throne pushing the same dogma that you push...your works will not save you nor keep you saved!
I suggest you do pay attention to the words of Jesus when he soeaks of the plenteous in number group that comes before his throne pushing the same dogma that you push...your works will not save you nor keep you saved!
Hmm...lolol! I don't understand how Isaiah 66 answers my question though...you posted for me to read it when I asked the question: if eternal life is through Him and having His eternal Spirit given to you in the new birth, then DO all men live somewhere for eternity? (In other words, if a man will not have eternal life, how can he be alive to experience torment for eternity?)
Another Pharisee that fails to understand that the words of Jesus are spoken under the banner of one who was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the New Covenant.....He also said he had MANY things to teach his disciples, but they were not yet READY<------PAUL AND ALMOST HALF OF THE N.T.!!!
Amen and instead of embracing it "SHE" DEFLECTS to some parroted answer like her cohort used......hilarious....all they have is a cafe blend false gospel and saybworks saves them or keeps them saved and then regularly reject the word and do things contrary to the word.....Plenteous in number grouping......!!!