Not By Works

[FranC]

Peter in that chapter was referring to false teachers and profits, who knew the truth and were purposely spreading false doctrine. nothing to do with working to stay saved. he was speaking to the false teachers who new truth , but denied it.

also notice that in verse 20 that they have knowledge of Jesus, he did NOT say that they BELIEVED in Him. big difference.

I know you asked grace 7, not me ( I think I hit a nerve with my reductionism explanation ), but that is what Peter is addressing in chapter 2, and that is not a matter of subjective opinion, that is truth.

First of all, I'm an honest person and say what I have to say.
I don't know what a strawman is, which I'm sometimes accused of doing,
and I don't know about reductionism --- but apparently YOU do so what does that say??

As far as Peter, PHart has much more patience than I do.
Are you serious?

2 Peter 2:20-21 or 22.

It's talking about false Teachers?
So are some here. Are they saved?

What difference does ist make WHO it's talking about??

THEY WERE LOST
THEY BELIEVED
and then THEY BECAME LOST AGAIN

And you say they had KNOWLEDGE of Jesus but didn't BELIEVE in Him.

So how come your Greek is not working for you this time around?

What does it mean that Joseph KNEW Mary?
If you KNOW Jesus, you believe in Him.

Amazing how scripture has to be twisted to maintain the false doctrine of OSAS!

 

[royalscot]

8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles)Galatians 2

quoting the bible , yet has no idea, what it means , there own slander is clear, with no context. etc

 

[royalscot]

First of all, I'm an honest person and say what I have to say.
I don't know what a strawman is, which I'm sometimes accused of doing,
and I don't know about reductionism --- but apparently YOU do so what does that say??

As far as Peter, PHart has much more patience than I do.
Are you serious?

2 Peter 2:20-21 or 22.

It's talking about false Teachers?
So are some here. Are they saved?

What difference does ist make WHO it's talking about??

THEY WERE LOST
THEY BELIEVED
and then THEY BECAME LOST AGAIN

And you say they had KNOWLEDGE of Jesus but didn't BELIEVE in Him.

So how come your Greek is not working for you this time around?

What does it mean that Joseph KNEW Mary?
If you KNOW Jesus, you believe in Him.

Amazing how scripture has to be twisted to maintain the false doctrine of OSAS!

forget the greek , try getting context to the english reading words first,

8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles)Galatians 2

 

[gb9]

I do not believe in osas, as I do not think that when we accept Christ that we lose our free will, so as we freely choose Him, we could one day reject Him, which could also mean that one never really truly believed........

it makes all the difference in the world. Peter was specifically speaking about ( and to ) false teachers who had knowledge ( different than belief ) of Jesus, and were purposefully leading folks astray. it was NOT a general statement to all believers.

now, if I would start to list things that would make one a false teacher, near the top of the list would be someone saying that words do not mean what dictionaries and concordences say they mean, and point to a " deeper " meaning.

know anyone who does that fran? anyone at all.

 

[oldethennew]

Why not study some theology instead of reading only the bible?
If you did you'd know what Justification is without having to depend on Grace.

I mean, really, you depend on people HERE to TEACH you things?

Sad state of affairs!

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Fran,

many of us already know that our lives totally depend on Jesus Christ and His Grace
but, many others don't know this Holy revelation, and yes, Jesus plants many, many 'seed's here,'
as odd as that may seem...we've been witnesses to this...

 

[royalscot]

]I do not believe in osas, [/U]as I do not think that when we accept Christ that we lose our free will, so as we freely choose Him, we could one day reject Him, which could also mean that one never really truly believed........

it makes all the difference in the world. Peter was specifically speaking about ( and to ) false teachers who had knowledge ( different than belief ) of Jesus, and were purposefully leading folks astray. it was NOT a general statement to all believers.

now, if I would start to list things that would make one a false teacher, near the top of the list would be someone saying that words do not mean what dictionaries and concordences say they mean, and point to a " deeper " meaning.

know anyone who does that fran? anyone at all.

opinion vary, when it is wrote in black and white

thats free will there.

And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me Galatians 2

For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God Galatians 2

29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.Romans 11: The Remnant of Israel

 

[Stephen63]

I was taught in a course on demonology, that the religious spirit is the only one that cannot be cast out because its the natural man. Everyone will worship something.

You were taught wrong, then.

 

[FranC]

Whose power Allen, Fran, Phart, do we live a righteous life by?

Actually righteous is the wrong word. Living morally is upright. Symbolized by the palm tree. There yoou go Allen. Not prophesying, but studied.

Thanks Stone.
You gave me a good laugh.
Nobody lives a righteous life by my power.
I'm a shamless flirt, remember?
According to Blue...

 

[FranC]

By the Spirit of God, or course. That's why the worksless life won't be saved. Workslessness shows you to NOT HAVE THE POWER OF GOD IN SALVATION.

But so many in the church think their Game of Thrones viewing does not prove anything either way, and that what we do is irrelevant to salvation. People who really do have and care about faith in God's forgiveness will hear what I'm saying and shut off Game of Thrones. They will be proving the life of God is in them through a continuing faith in Him. Others will continue to chant their famous mantra, "salvation is not by works" and will rationalize continuing in their wickedness thinking they will be saved on the Day of Wrath despite their actions that deny Christ, because as they say, "salvation is soooo not of works". They are oblivious to the fact that the salvation that is not of works is the salvation that works!

Love your last sentence.

I'd like to tell you about a priest I know. I know a few, you know where I live.
I mean personal friends -- like they've been to my house for meals, I've been to birthday parities of theirs.

OK. so I know this priest, Don Alessandro. He's about 53 now. Decided to become a priest at 33 years of age.
He loved Queen. We used to talk about them since I like them too.

He slowly stopped listening to them. Soon he didn't like rock much anymore. Then he went to lighter stuff.

Now all he listens to is Gregorian chants and Christian music.

This happened gradually, not the day he decided to be a priest.
BUT IT DID HAPPEN.

So not only are you right in what you say above, but the idea is that we shouldn't even be interested in watching that program.

This is what it truly means to have an internal change. But when one hears in Church that works are not necessary, it DOES encourage persons to just continue on in their regular non-saved lives as they were before.

No doubt about it.

 

[stonesoffire]

Thanks Stone.
You gave me a good laugh.
Nobody lives a righteous life by my power.
I'm a shamless flirt, remember?
According to Blue...

Cool. I aim to,please.

 

[royalscot]

Originally Posted by stonesoffire

I was taught in a course on demonology, that the religious spirit is the only one that cannot be cast out because its the natural man. Everyone will worship something.(do you have scripture to back this up)

You were taught wrong, then.

(do you have scripture to back up what is said here.)



29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.Romans 11

 

[stonesoffire]

You were taught wrong, then.

ok. Teach it right.

 

[Stephen63]

SURE.....I live in a state that allows open and concealed carry with no permit. I live in a national forest about 45 to 50 KM to nearest town and every family (about 70 families) in my area all pack heat....the cops will not come unless shots are fired or a body is found......

Sounds like the perfect place for a criminal to live.

 

[Stephen63]

I'm content to stay and share the Truth... if you can't handle the Truth...

He doesn't handle truth..... he handles psychology & bullying.

 

[Desertsrose]

I see less than fifty times. Truth twisting indeed. I am glad you finally see it.

Hi Magenta and Bill,

I realize that Fran can fight her own battles, but I also have been studying about the Kingdom of God and also believe that we tend to mostly ignore the kingdom teachings.

For most of my Christian life (almost 40 years) I have not seen the reality of the kingdom until a couple of years ago.If you take into consideration that Jesus spoke through the apostles, you'll find 150 references to the Kingdom in the NT

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NASB&quicksearch=kingdom&begin=47&end=73

 

[FranC]

in a tree on earth. But the tree of life?

LOL
The tree of Life too.

I mean, if we're going to use analogies, we have to be honest ll the way!
Jimbo is right on !!

 

[oldethennew]

the natural man/woman, must 'choose', it's part of The Gift that Jesus never
took away from us...and so, our identity will always abide with Him as we choose;
He loves us enough to give us a choice, one 'way or the other'...but of course, we're
referring to the 'called, chosen, and elected...after a while, sometime in our lives, we
will know if this is so or not...

 

[royalscot]

He doesn't handle truth..... he handles psychology & bullying.

so if god put this in paul , when did he need your answer with no proof, of scripture.

7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.8 2 Corinthians 12


9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.2 Corinthians 12

Originally Posted by stonesoffire

I was taught in a course on demonology, that the religious spirit is the only one that cannot be cast out because its the natural man. Everyone will worship something.(do you have scripture to back this up)

 

[Stephen63]

I want to know if dc really does stand Teaching at church with a 9 on his hip or was it a joke?

No, it's a joke.

The whole thing, that is.

I'm surprised he didn't say he carries a two foot long 44 revolver & that Chuck Norris is scared of him.

A modern Marshall Dillon with a niner in one hand & a Bible in the other..... Hee-hee haa haa.

 

[oldethennew]

well, if he truly does this, and believes that he is doing Jesus' Will, then I would pray
that if he has truly surrendered his heart to His Holy Master for real, and of course after conversion',
that he has been instructed by The Holy Spirit and told to do this type of thing...

other wise,........................................................................................