Not By Works
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§Stone,
IF YOU are not ashamed of YOUR good works,
proclaim it right now.
Right now proclaim that it is necessary to obey Jesus.
Right now say that we are required to do good works and that you plan to do whatever it
is you have to.
You won't do it will you?
SO WHO IS ASHAMED OF JESUS?
Remember 2 Timothy 2:12
If you DENY Jesus by being ashamed of HIS TEACHINGS, HE will deny you.
Plain and simple.
IF YOU are not ashamed of YOUR good works,
proclaim it right now.
Right now proclaim that it is necessary to obey Jesus.
Right now say that we are required to do good works and that you plan to do whatever it
is you have to.
You won't do it will you?
SO WHO IS ASHAMED OF JESUS?
Remember 2 Timothy 2:12
If you DENY Jesus by being ashamed of HIS TEACHINGS, HE will deny you.
Plain and simple.
Stone, you really should try to study what the difference is between:
obedience to the Law
Obedience of faith
What you say above is completely wrong.... as is much of what I hear on this thread and I do hope those reading along will study what I suggest and not listen to what is being said here..
So, what does hearken mean?:
Definition of hearken
hearkened; hearkeningplay \ˈhärk-niŋ, ˈhär-kə-\
intransitive verb
1
: listen
hearkened without much mental comment — Theodore Dreiser
2
: to give respectful attention
the humble folk who hearkened to these evangelists — G. M. Stephenson
transitive verb
archaic : to give heed to : hear
It means: TO LISTEN TO
Now let's see what OBEDIENCE means:
Webster Dictionary(4.00 / 3 votes)Rate this definition:
Obedience(noun)
the act of obeying, or the state of being obedient; compliance with that which is required by authority; subjection to rightful restraint or control
Obedience(noun)
words or actions denoting submission to authority; dutifulness
Obedience(noun)
a following; a body of adherents; as, the Roman Catholic obedience, or the whole body of persons who submit to the authority of the pope
Obedience(noun)
a cell (or offshoot of a larger monastery) governed by a prior
Obedience(noun)
one of the three monastic vows
Obedience(noun)
the written precept of a superior in a religious order or congregation to a subject
Origin: [F. obdience, L. obedientia, oboedientia. See Obedient, and cf. Obeisance.]
It means: The ACT of obeying; ACTION denoting submission
What YOU are saying is that OBEDIENCE TO FAITH is only LISTENING.
Do you not want to do ANYTHING FOR GOD but LISTEN?
Really, how lazy do we want to be?
OBEDIENCE TO FAITH does NOT mean to listen.
It means to OBEY BECAUSE WE HAVE FAITH.
It means to obey His word.
This means to obey what Jesus said.
Romans 1:5 says that we have received grace to bring about the obedience of faith.
Romans 16.26 All nations will show obedience of faith. Again, because of our faith in Christ.
Do you think that God tell us things so we could HEAR THEM
or do you think God tells us things so we could DO THEM?
obedience to the Law
Obedience of faith
What you say above is completely wrong.... as is much of what I hear on this thread and I do hope those reading along will study what I suggest and not listen to what is being said here..
So, what does hearken mean?:
Definition of hearken
hearkened; hearkeningplay \ˈhärk-niŋ, ˈhär-kə-\
intransitive verb
1
: listen
hearkened without much mental comment — Theodore Dreiser
2
: to give respectful attention
the humble folk who hearkened to these evangelists — G. M. Stephenson
transitive verb
archaic : to give heed to : hear
It means: TO LISTEN TO
Now let's see what OBEDIENCE means:
Webster Dictionary(4.00 / 3 votes)Rate this definition:
Obedience(noun)
the act of obeying, or the state of being obedient; compliance with that which is required by authority; subjection to rightful restraint or control
Obedience(noun)
words or actions denoting submission to authority; dutifulness
Obedience(noun)
a following; a body of adherents; as, the Roman Catholic obedience, or the whole body of persons who submit to the authority of the pope
Obedience(noun)
a cell (or offshoot of a larger monastery) governed by a prior
Obedience(noun)
one of the three monastic vows
Obedience(noun)
the written precept of a superior in a religious order or congregation to a subject
Origin: [F. obdience, L. obedientia, oboedientia. See Obedient, and cf. Obeisance.]
It means: The ACT of obeying; ACTION denoting submission
What YOU are saying is that OBEDIENCE TO FAITH is only LISTENING.
Do you not want to do ANYTHING FOR GOD but LISTEN?
Really, how lazy do we want to be?
OBEDIENCE TO FAITH does NOT mean to listen.
It means to OBEY BECAUSE WE HAVE FAITH.
It means to obey His word.
This means to obey what Jesus said.
Romans 1:5 says that we have received grace to bring about the obedience of faith.
Romans 16.26 All nations will show obedience of faith. Again, because of our faith in Christ.
Do you think that God tell us things so we could HEAR THEM
or do you think God tells us things so we could DO THEM?
whats the difference between these two words, death or hell.
either way or meaning (takes a judge.) to get out of one of these, and the other to send you to this place.
42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.. acts 10
when were you appoint judge, if you cannot understand context to scripture. etc
either way or meaning (takes a judge.) to get out of one of these, and the other to send you to this place.
42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.. acts 10
when were you appoint judge, if you cannot understand context to scripture. etc
are you on a pogo stick , like a child with no direstion.
whats the difference between these two words, death or hell.
either way or meaning (takes a judge.) to get out of one of these, and the other to send you to this place.
42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.. acts 10
when were you appoint judge, if you cannot understand context to scripture. etc
3 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 romans 5
whats the difference between these two words, death or hell.
either way or meaning (takes a judge.) to get out of one of these, and the other to send you to this place.
42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.. acts 10
when were you appoint judge, if you cannot understand context to scripture. etc
3 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 romans 5
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Rules of the Kingdom? You apply earthly rules to spiritual things?
Seriously FranC, you missed the point. Jesus came as a sacrifice so we could have a loving relationship with the Father, reconciliation.
When that is received you are changed and then live by the Spirit of God Himself.
Yet you have rules or laws or whatever floats your boat to keep you in the Kingdom?
I have the sacrificial blood of the Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God to keep me there.
You see it is all about Jesus, not you, not me, not your bloated ideology of what you accomplish in your daily life that saves and keeps you saved. It is God Almighty that does that.
Honestly your high horse must be so beaten down by now, one day maybe you will fall off and finally bow down to the Lord and fully thank Him for His Grace and Mercy!
Seriously FranC, you missed the point. Jesus came as a sacrifice so we could have a loving relationship with the Father, reconciliation.
When that is received you are changed and then live by the Spirit of God Himself.
Yet you have rules or laws or whatever floats your boat to keep you in the Kingdom?
I have the sacrificial blood of the Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God to keep me there.
You see it is all about Jesus, not you, not me, not your bloated ideology of what you accomplish in your daily life that saves and keeps you saved. It is God Almighty that does that.
Honestly your high horse must be so beaten down by now, one day maybe you will fall off and finally bow down to the Lord and fully thank Him for His Grace and Mercy!
Really, then offer a clear rebuttal to the Perfect Tense, where it is used in the New Testament by your own expertise, in Koine Greek....not present day Greek, but Koine Greek.
I will be waiting.
Until you can do that your gospel of salvation by works (front, back or middle) is false.
I will be waiting.
Until you can do that your gospel of salvation by works (front, back or middle) is false.
What a club of believers in wrong doctrine!
SO...
UNLESS I COULD PROVE something I have CLEARLY stated I have no knowledge of and have no interest in
my gospel of salvation by works will be false.
LOL
1. Oh. It was accepted before?
2. Where was anything about Greek mentioned in the post you're replying to?
3. Can you read? Really. You say you're a teacher. Did you read that GREEK does NOT INTEREST ME?
4. You know the difference between today's Greek and the Koinè Greek.
Wonderful.
All is clear now.
There's smoke all over!!
In the OT yes, the choice was to obey law or not. And they could not. Had to sacrifice animals, young animals before they acted out of their maturity or the beast nature.
But, NT choice is will we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from this untoward generation. Not sure what untoward means. Will look but it sounds bad.
Believing what God the Father has given is pleasing Him. Unbelief or rejection of the gospel will bring His wrath. And His wrath is not going to be poured out on His own members.
But, NT choice is will we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved from this untoward generation. Not sure what untoward means. Will look but it sounds bad.
Believing what God the Father has given is pleasing Him. Unbelief or rejection of the gospel will bring His wrath. And His wrath is not going to be poured out on His own members.
I'll have to remember THIS POST.
It's so incredible (not to be believed) that I have absolutely no answer for it.
IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
No further comment is necessary.
And UG, who is Always saying how we ARE TO DO WORKS BECAUSE WE LOVE GOD,
is giving you a Like.
Unbelievable....