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I only know what God says .....
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
Rev 5:12
He took on the sins of the world and thereby has magnified Himself.
God does things perfectly of this I have no doubt
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1 Cor 3:19
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
Rev 5:12
He took on the sins of the world and thereby has magnified Himself.
God does things perfectly of this I have no doubt
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1 Cor 3:19
Amen.....the Promises of God are sure and true....they simply cannot comprehend that he begins and FINISHES our faith and that he will not LOSE ANYTHING BUT WILL raise it up the last day.....HE IS CLEAR...he will NEVER LEAVE US OR FORSAKE US AND WILL LEAVE THE 90 AND 9 to go find and restore any that wander off too far.....and like David said....where can one go that they cannot be found or be in God's presence......NO WHERE!
Some people want to carry what our condition is when we first confess Christ,throughout the time they have received the Spirit,but when someone receives the Spirit the condition changes.
The condition of being in the flesh,and what applies,is different than receiving the Spirit,and what applies,for one is fleshy,and the other is spiritual.
When Paul says by faith alone,and not saved by works,he is speaking when we first confess Christ,for that is all we can do because our condition is not yet spiritual.
James is speaking after someone receives the Spirit,that you now have to do works of the Spirit.
Paul addresses our condition when we have not received the Spirit yet,that nothing we do from a fleshy perpective will save us,like Gentile religions,and their works,and the Old Testament physical ordinances.
No flesh,flesh,shall be justified by the law,for the flesh cannot live up to the law,but by the Spirit the condition changes,and Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law.
People have to realize when the Bible is speaking from the perspective of the flesh,and the perspective of the Spirit.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
By our flesh we are not good enough to inherit eternal life,but by the Spirit we can inherit eternal life,because we can be like the man Christ Jesus.
Some people want to carry the condition of when we first confess Christ,faith alone,not saved by works,not justified by the law,even after they receive the Spirit,but when they receive the Spirit the condition changes to spiritual,not fleshy,so the rules are one with responsibility,that if a person lacks Jesus says,repent.
The condition of being in the flesh,and what applies,is different than receiving the Spirit,and what applies,for one is fleshy,and the other is spiritual.
When Paul says by faith alone,and not saved by works,he is speaking when we first confess Christ,for that is all we can do because our condition is not yet spiritual.
James is speaking after someone receives the Spirit,that you now have to do works of the Spirit.
Paul addresses our condition when we have not received the Spirit yet,that nothing we do from a fleshy perpective will save us,like Gentile religions,and their works,and the Old Testament physical ordinances.
No flesh,flesh,shall be justified by the law,for the flesh cannot live up to the law,but by the Spirit the condition changes,and Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law.
People have to realize when the Bible is speaking from the perspective of the flesh,and the perspective of the Spirit.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
By our flesh we are not good enough to inherit eternal life,but by the Spirit we can inherit eternal life,because we can be like the man Christ Jesus.
Some people want to carry the condition of when we first confess Christ,faith alone,not saved by works,not justified by the law,even after they receive the Spirit,but when they receive the Spirit the condition changes to spiritual,not fleshy,so the rules are one with responsibility,that if a person lacks Jesus says,repent.
The same person who is flooding the thread, that is why I looked to see why one post after another.
She also said I am not fit to teach humans....I guess I could go teach animals...I do love animals LOL
Maybe I could become a dog trainer
She also said I am not fit to teach humans....I guess I could go teach animals...I do love animals LOL
Maybe I could become a dog trainer
Dcon!
I've been waiting for you with baited breath!
Finally, you're here.
How come it took you so long to get here?
Do you not care for me anymore?
And I thought our relationship would last forever!
Alas, nothing is forever. Except Eternal Life of course.
Could you give us a lesson on what Zoe Life is?
Also, could you explain where the Kingdom of God is?
And why it's important?
And while you're at it, could you explain why that heretic Calvin taught something NO OTHER HUMAN CHRISTIAN every taught before?
Do you think it might have been because he didn't like the thought of hell and felt HE WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY SAVED ONES SO WHO CARED ABOUT THE LOST?
I mean if that MEAN GOD of his didn't care about the lost, why should he???
I mean, could you imagine God, making little human type people, only to send them to hell?
Wow. What a loving God Calvin believed in.
What's that?
You're not a calvinist?
Then why do you believe in OSAS?
Are you confused?
I could help you with that confusion you know.
It's simple really.
Just keep in mind that the God I SERVE is a loving god and would not send ANYONE to hell --- unless they wanted to go there of course.
Well, alas, my time here is over.
If you start a new thread though, I will be on hand to help you out.
You should thank me for keeping this going all this extra time or it would have just died out.
Oh. And thanks. It's been fun this evening. I find the persons in the Dcon Club rather too serious and boring.
But it's OK. You have to be how you want to be --- NOT like God would want you to be, of course.
That would be asking too much.
OK. Be good now and keep preaching how we don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL FOR GOD BECAUSE JESUS ALREDAY DID IT ALL. Wasn't that nice of Him?
Of course, you still don't understand why that would make Jesus responsible for all your sins that you commit, but why let theology get in the way of your very own personal beliefs.
GOOD NIGHT CUTIE.
You're soooooo cute. No wonder all the little girls on this thread like you and want to be members of your club.
I'm soooooo jealous.
Really.
Don't know if I could continue sans you.
Maybe I'll come over to your next thread so we could meet up again.
Sounds like a plan.
Don't want you to be all lonely with no one to mock.
HAPPY TRAILS CUTIE.
I've been waiting for you with baited breath!
Finally, you're here.
How come it took you so long to get here?
Do you not care for me anymore?
And I thought our relationship would last forever!
Alas, nothing is forever. Except Eternal Life of course.
Could you give us a lesson on what Zoe Life is?
Also, could you explain where the Kingdom of God is?
And why it's important?
And while you're at it, could you explain why that heretic Calvin taught something NO OTHER HUMAN CHRISTIAN every taught before?
Do you think it might have been because he didn't like the thought of hell and felt HE WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY SAVED ONES SO WHO CARED ABOUT THE LOST?
I mean if that MEAN GOD of his didn't care about the lost, why should he???
I mean, could you imagine God, making little human type people, only to send them to hell?
Wow. What a loving God Calvin believed in.
What's that?
You're not a calvinist?
Then why do you believe in OSAS?
Are you confused?
I could help you with that confusion you know.
It's simple really.
Just keep in mind that the God I SERVE is a loving god and would not send ANYONE to hell --- unless they wanted to go there of course.
Well, alas, my time here is over.
If you start a new thread though, I will be on hand to help you out.
You should thank me for keeping this going all this extra time or it would have just died out.
Oh. And thanks. It's been fun this evening. I find the persons in the Dcon Club rather too serious and boring.
But it's OK. You have to be how you want to be --- NOT like God would want you to be, of course.
That would be asking too much.
OK. Be good now and keep preaching how we don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL FOR GOD BECAUSE JESUS ALREDAY DID IT ALL. Wasn't that nice of Him?
Of course, you still don't understand why that would make Jesus responsible for all your sins that you commit, but why let theology get in the way of your very own personal beliefs.
GOOD NIGHT CUTIE.
You're soooooo cute. No wonder all the little girls on this thread like you and want to be members of your club.
I'm soooooo jealous.
Really.
Don't know if I could continue sans you.
Maybe I'll come over to your next thread so we could meet up again.
Sounds like a plan.
Don't want you to be all lonely with no one to mock.
HAPPY TRAILS CUTIE.
