The Millennium anum anum anum

[Muzungu256]

Jesus and the Apostles used a Jewish method of interpretation called Midrash. There are two books by Pastor Edward Vasicek that explain it. They are The Midrash Key and the Amazing Doctrines of Paul as Midrash. They can be purchased on Amazon. Edward Vasicek is the Pastor of the Highland Park Church in Illinois. He and the church have a websitejust write in Pastor Edward Vasicek and you will find it.

People and places have meanings in Scripture that reveal their natures in relation to God and Man. Certain numbers and multiples of numbers also have meanings such as 6,7 and 12 that are repeated throughout the bible. Youngs Analytical Concordance provides Lexicons of Hebrew and Greek names and places towards the back of the book. Many books connected to the Jewish roots movement also explain the way Jewish interpretation of Scripture is used although one has to be careful of legalistic doctrines when reading some of them.

tell us, will there be a third temple and a literal millennium, if not, what about the promises of rebuilding the kingdom of Israel that peter wanted before Jesus ascended???????????? sekkluud boi that mon peter was still asking questions like that when he saw the resurrected Christ, still all about the physical kingdom what was he thinking lol

 

[tourist]

tell us, will there be a third temple and a literal millennium, if not, what about the promises of rebuilding the kingdom of Israel that peter wanted before Jesus ascended???????????? sekkluud boi that mon peter was still asking questions like that when he saw the resurrected Christ, still all about the physical kingdom what was he thinking lol

I believe that the design for the third temple was outlined in the book of Ezekiel. The 1000 year reign of Jesus was described in the book of Revelation. The temple will be built and the millennium will happen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

His parables give us His spirutuall understanding hid from those who refuse to interpret them by faith .We do not need any man to teach us. The kind of idea tha we do ned a man to teach us defines the antichrists methodology those that are here and have been here from day one.

a parable is a tool use to use things we know to what plain a spiritual truth

prophesy is god saying things will happen, when they will happen, how long they will happen, who will be doing it etc etc,

spiritualising prophesy takes away from the purpose of prophesy, to prove the God we love is the one and true God (no other God can accurately predict centuries in advance things that will happen. )

you can not use tools oils which we use to interpret a parable with tools to interpret prophesy, they are two distinct different forms of discussion

 

[tourist]

Amen....to sit on the throne of his father David and rule with a rod of iron from the world capitol Jerusalem as the waste cities of the planet get re-occupied and every man sits under his own vine.........the King of kings and Lord of lords...........

I want to lounge in my own hammock too strung between two palm trees sipping a Mai Tai with a little umbrella sticking out of it, watching the birds fly and listen to the crickets chirp.

 

[Muzungu256]

I believe that the design for the third temple was outlined in the book of Ezekiel. The 1000 year reign of Jesus was described in the book of Revelation. The temple will be built and the millennium will happen.

wew....... its clear...... now we just gotta find a reason why we return to the law of moses in the millennium............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

prophesy is god telling the world what he knows will happen,

god said there will be a temple in which a future price will commit an abomination of desolation and declare himself to be God, thus declaiming all religions are null and void, only worship of him is allowed, failure to do so will result in death

God then said, he will destroy this ruler at his return to the earth, at which time he will set up his kingdom, it will last for 1000 years

after which, Satan, who has been bound, will be loosed and again deceive the nations, he will gather an army ffor r one final battle, and God will wipe that army out,

after which, there will be a new heaven and earth, and eternity will begin.

it has nothing to do with Israel building a temple because God demands it. Or it is required to bring forgiveness (a return to law)

it has everything to do to do with God, who is outside of time, sees what is future to us, and tells us so people can say, yes, he said his would happen, he is the one true God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wew....... its clear...... now we just gotta find a reason why we return to the law of moses in the millennium............

Why is that?

 

[trofimus]

Why is that?

Because any Jewish temple will be built based on Moses's writings. All its symbols and properties and shadows will be implemented again.

 

[Muzungu256]

Because any Jewish temple will be built based on Moses's writings. All its symbols and properties and shadows will be implemented again.

and dont forget the animal sacrifices mon......... messiah rules by the law of moses........ everyone will go to celebrate feast of tabernacles which includes animal sacrifices......

 

[garee]

a parable is a tool use to use things we know to what plain a spiritual truth

Hi thanks for the reply...I see that a little differently .

A parable which "without" Christ spoke not brings the one thing seen, the temporal, along side (para) that not seen, the eternal, as the law of faith (not seen) A pareclete is the Holy Spirit coming along side the beleiver revealing His truth from the inside

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

prophesy is god saying things will happen, when they will happen, how long they will happen, who will be doing it etc etc,

Prophesy is simply the word of God. To prophecy is to declare that which is written whether it speaks of the past or the future or the now it does not change the meaning of the word.(prophecy) All Christians in that sence are prophets who declare the gospel .Not going above that which is written as if God was still adding to His words of prophecy found in the book of prophecy (the bible)

spiritualising prophesy takes away from the purpose of prophesy, to prove the God we love is the one and true God (no other God can accurately predict centuries in advance things that will happen. )

]you can not use tools oils which we use to interpret a parable with tools to interpret prophesy, they are two distinct different forms of discussion

Prophecy the word of God who is Spirit is spiritual .Can’t see God who remains without form.

The literal words of God convey a spiritual meaning hid from the lost

For instance when looking at the same ceremonial law(our rest) different historically true parables point to the same unseen work of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

Different reasons for the same work require different parables

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The historically true parable reads..

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi thanks for the reply...I see that a little differently .

A parable which "without" Christ spoke not brings the one thing seen, the temporal, along side (para) that not seen, the eternal, as the law of faith (not seen) A pareclete is the Holy Spirit coming along side the beleiver revealing His truth from the inside

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.



Prophesy is simply the word of God. To prophecy is to declare that which is written whether it speaks of the past or the future or the now it does not change the meaning of the word.(prophecy) All Christians in that sence are prophets who declare the gospel .Not going above that which is written as if God was still adding to His words of prophecy found in the book of prophecy (the bible)



Prophecy the word of God who is Spirit is spiritual .Can’t see God who remains without form.

The literal words of God convey a spiritual meaning hid from the lost

For instance when looking at the same ceremonial law(our rest) different historically true parables point to the same unseen work of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

Different reasons for the same work require different parables

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The historically true parable reads..

Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

You do not spiritualise prophesy, Otherwise, anyone can prophesy, and make it say anything they want.

Prophesy is only useful when it can be literally fulfilled. otherwise, It is suspect at best, and makes God out to be no more a a prophet than notradomus.

when God, through a prophets, such such and such is going to happen, then it will happen.

God often times uses symbols to describe literal events (like daniels beasts and the beasts of revelation) but those events will happen.

Babylon happened
Media Persia hapened
Greece happened
Rome happened
The final form of rome (which has snot yet happened) will happen.

we have the first 4 as precedent, and examples to follow. If they happened literally, the final one will also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because any Jewish temple will be built based on Moses's writings. All its symbols and properties and shadows will be implemented again.

And? The only people that hurts is Israel who will still be in unbelief. and would be in unbelief whether the temple was rebuilt or not.

The shedding of blood never forgive ain't the hebrew author says, It will be no different now than it was then.

And God will use it to bring about their repentance (by allowing the beast to enter and commit blasphemies sunspoken in the what is considered the holiest of places)


By the way Who here knows the origional purpose of the temple?

 

[Muzungu256]

And? The only people that hurts is Israel who will still be in unbelief. and would be in unbelief whether the temple was rebuilt or not.

The shedding of blood never forgive ain't the hebrew author says, It will be no different now than it was then.

And God will use it to bring about their repentance (by allowing the beast to enter and commit blasphemies sunspoken in the what is considered the holiest of places)


By the way Who here knows the origional purpose of the temple?

but remember: in ezekiel the sinofferings are mentioned................

 

[garee]

The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”


He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.

Yes the spiritual eternal understanding is not given to them

Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. This is why I speak to them in parables:


“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’



But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

Yes those prophets did not understand the parable which would of gave them the eyes of their hearts so that they could understand the things not seen the t eternal . No such prescription as if the literal makes sense as that seen avoid the spiritual meaning, the unseen eternal .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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My comments…(purple)

“Though seeing (literally), they do not see;though hearing(literally),, they do not hear or understand.In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:“ ‘You will be "ever" hearing but "never" understanding;you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.For this people’s heart has become calloused;they hardly hear with their ears,and they have closed their eyes.Otherwise they might see with their eyes,(with their new born again hearts }
hear with their ears,understand with their heartsand turn, and I would heal them.’

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes the spiritual eternal understanding is not given to them

Man, all that you are doing is circumventing the truth. The parables were spoken to that generation of Israel because of the prophecy of Isaiah. But, as the Lord said, "the knowledge of the kingdom has been given to you," i.e. the disciples and therefore the rest of the church.

The word of God was meant for us to know. We are privy to the parables, as most of them are explained. So please stop using the excuse that we can't know what they are saying in order to support your beliefs.

 

[garee]

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

You do not spiritualise prophesy, Otherwise, anyone can prophesy, and make it say anything they want.

Prophesy is only useful when it can be literally fulfilled. otherwise, It is suspect at best, and makes God out to be no more a a prophet than notradomus.

when God, through a prophets, such such and such is going to happen, then it will happen.

God often times uses symbols to describe literal events (like daniels beasts and the beasts of revelation) but those events will happen.

Babylon happened
Media Persia hapened
Greece happened
Rome happened
The final form of rome (which has snot yet happened) will happen.

we have the first 4 as precedent, and examples to follow. If they happened literally, the final one will also.

Prophecy is spiritual. Can't literally see God who has no form. It does not say anything we want but what he desires we beleive. Parables (prophecy) are His source of His faith.

Notradomus is a false prophet. The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God stopped bringing new prophecy long before he was born. What we had in part up until John on the island of Patmos, today we have the perfect or complete will of God with not prophecies missing.

 

[tanakh]

tell us, will there be a third temple and a literal millennium, if not, what about the promises of rebuilding the kingdom of Israel that peter wanted before Jesus ascended???????????? sekkluud boi that mon peter was still asking questions like that when he saw the resurrected Christ, still all about the physical kingdom what was he thinking lol

My reply reply was in answer to Bogadiles question and not about the kingdom of Israel. I wonder why you bothered to reply
to it.

Peter asked Jesus when the Kingdom of Israel would be restored. He was more or less told to mind his own business. Jesus did tell them that the City and second Temple would be destroyed within their generation and that happened. One thing he didnt mention anywhere is that a third Temple would be built more than two thousand years later.

I wonder what the obsession with this Temple is about. The only one I want to see is Christ himself who every temple is a mere type and Shadow of.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

but remember: in ezekiel the sinofferings are mentioned................

to cause the forgiveness of sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Prophecy is spiritual. Can't literally see God who has no form. It does not say anything we want but what he desires we beleive. Parables (prophecy) are His source of His faith.

Notradomus is a false prophet. The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God stopped bringing new prophecy long before he was born. What we had in part up until John on the island of Patmos, today we have the perfect or complete will of God with not prophecies missing.

Nostrodomas is a false prophet because nothing he says comes true, unless you spiritualise him (ie, Hisler means hiter)

Gods prophets are real because everything they say comes true to the letter. You do not have to spiritualise his words to make them come true.

 

[Bladerunner]

Jesus was a Jew, his Disciples were Jews, the early church was mainly made up of Jews. What I am talking about is the way they interpreted and wrote scripture through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Pharisees and of modern Judaism was not based on Scripture but on man made tradition which is now included in the Talmud which was and is still claimed to be oral tradition given by God to Moses and is regarded by them as equal to the written Torah.

I am so happy to hear you say the above. When I interpret anything biblical, I interpret it from the Jewish point of view. Yes, Jesus was and is Jewish. He was and is also a Man that happens to be a part of the Holly Trinity. From Genesis 12 and Abraham to Acts Chapter 2, God's words speak mostly to His People. However, His Word's within these pages give us prophecies, most of which have long been fulfilled and those which are yet to come. The Church of Jesus Christ is not spoke of within these pages. While the Church is alluded to in the OT pages; But for a person to gather that allusion from the spoken word, one almost has to have hind-sight. We do have the hind-sight along with the history of ancient times and the ability to compare it words for word with the early manuscripts, Septuagint LXX and many other manuals plus other insights.

Being dogmatic about any part of the Bible as the (Knowledge of the Bible for those that go To an FRO shall increase) is not an option. I can read a scripture 10 times and on the 11th, I might find something I did not see which leads at something else that did not connect before.. The way the Bible is put together (divinely), one cannot throw away one or disregard one part and embrace only one part of it (OT vs NT). We see this in 98% of all the denominations in America to some extent or the other.. We also see, the disregard for God's People and their destiny of an active part in the last days. While Israel and the Church have separate destinies in the end days again 98% of the denominations and some that are not denominations place Israel in with the Church and Spiritual entities only. Can you see that this is against all of God's WORD!

During the time of Paul and Peter, the Gospel was first given to the Jewish people and then because they refused to believe it was given to the Gentiles. Part of the reason for the persecution of the Church of Smyrna was caused by these unbelieving Jewish people. However, It may have started out as persecution from the Jewish non-believers BUT it graduated to the Roman Empire and then on to the Roman Catholic Church and now to the ........?.

Belonging to the Church (Body of Christ) is simple and according to Jesus' Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4), one only has to believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior. That Belief in Jesus is a TOTAL belief in Him and in HIS WORD, the Holy Bible. A belief that the Holy Spirit within each and every member of His Church who will teach, guide and protect them from every spiritual or otherwise attempts by Satan, using others to corrupt the minds of as many as they can. I would think that being a prince of this world has in Satan's opinion, it perks. (a pun)

Some have said in another post on this thread that God was in Control....Yes, I do believe He is... To think otherwise would be to place mankind above God. Today, I watched a sign from God (a TOTAL ECLIPSE), that is telling me about my Saviors creation and the Glory that came with it. Yet, I have not seen one person that was interviewed by all the media attribute the complicated process needed to create this Sign of heaven to GOD himself. NOT ONE!

You tell me if I do not interpret it correctly: I give credit and praise for all of creation to God and God alone. My Belief in Jesus is total which includes HIS literal word with a hindsight into history and all the grammatical structures that only HE could have come up with all those years ago.

Now I ask you Tanahk and others?? Ask yourself the following questions if you consider yourself to; Believe totally in Jesus??

Do you believe the Holy Bible are his direct or inspired words (ALL OF THEM)??
Do you Believe that He says what HE means and means what HE says (including commandments that are not popular with society)??
Do you Believe HE is in Control of everything here on Earth(including Climate warming, Lunar and Solar eclipses, all weather storms and patterns, etc.)??
Do you believe that HE gave you Free WILL to decide for yourself without His interference?????
Do you believe that the Holy Bible has been corrupted by Man's attempt to revise it over the centuries??
Do you believe that Israel and the Church (the Body of Christ) have separate destinies during the end days.??

Tanahk, I can give out my interpretation of GOD's WORD YET I do not expect anyone to believe a word of it.... I ask you and others to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 and search the scriptures to see if what they had been told was true.

I do follow my own words above with just about every post on the forum.....and most of them, I can refute their interpretations. Some times I answer and at other times I do not answer...It would be of no use... YOU Tanahk, for whatever reason, I keep responding in hopes that you too will follow ACTS 17:11 and find the truth.

I hope you have a Blessed week

Blade