The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

J7

Banned
Apr 2, 2017
1,915
13
0
You two enjoying yourselves?
 

J7

Banned
Apr 2, 2017
1,915
13
0
Really the question of the accuracy of Scripture is pretty critical.

So no surprise that Jesus (the Word) would have talked about it
 
Dec 21, 2012
2,901
39
0
You two enjoying yourselves?
I think they have made up their minds on the subject and are not caring to discuss this any more.

Even I need the Lord's help to let them go.

Really the question of the accuracy of Scripture is pretty critical.

So no surprise that Jesus (the Word) would have talked about it
It is critical if one seeks His actual message and the truth in His words, but some may love the stranger's voice than heed His voice.

But the Lord will get the tares that have fallen away from the faith & have given heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for He will finish His work even in those left behind that was taken out of His kingdom and left in the world that the children of the good seed was harvested from above to His Father's kingdom.

Even I am at risk of being a castaway but I am trusting Him as my Friend to keep my body under subjection to not allow desires to entice me away and commit sin.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:[SUP]27 [/SUP]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

James 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.

I so do hope in Him to keep me from my sins, t keep this former dog from returning to its vomit by not loving the world nor anything in the world as the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life is in the world & the love of the Father is not in them.

So here's hoping I do not sow to the flesh of any wood, stubble, and hay in my thoughts that would defile my body which is the temple of the Holy Spirit otherwise, I would become a castaway at the pre trib rapture event to burn that stuff off of that foundation to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

I do so hope in Him to keep me departed from my sins to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House.
 

J7

Banned
Apr 2, 2017
1,915
13
0
Yes Enow, I can relate to this. But flesh is also the human mind wanting to do things our own way.

The Wheat and Tares follows directly from the Parable of the Sower, where the seed is 'the word of the kingdom'.

So it does not seem unreasonable to see the wheat as accurate translations of the Word, and tares as malicious perverted translations, which nonetheless have every appearance, being Bibles, of being the Word.
 
Dec 21, 2012
2,901
39
0
Yes Enow, I can relate to this. But flesh is also the human mind wanting to do things our own way.

The Wheat and Tares follows directly from the Parable of the Sower, where the seed is 'the word of the kingdom'.


Well, all things being equal... The seed is Christ just as the word of God is Christ.

In the parable of the sower, how one did not receive Him and how the rest received Him refers to unbelievers and saved believers.

In the parable of the wheat & the tares, this refers to those whom had received Him as they are in His kingdom and how they had grown whether in the world or as tares when moreso in the world.

Since the field is the world and the harvest is coming to take the wheat out of the world, hence pre trib rapture; and leaving the tares in the world, hence removing out of the harvest collected of all things that offend and do iniquity which are the tares, ....

Kind of hard for me to see it as applied to Bible versions when it is referring to the saved believers in their walk with Him.

So it does not seem unreasonable to see the wheat as accurate translations of the Word, and tares as malicious perverted translations, which nonetheless have every appearance, being Bibles, of being the Word.
Your application where only the KJV is the good seed and the tares are the modern Bibles as sown by the devil that causes others to go astray in supporting false teachings as well as false tongues in the church and thus hence His kingdom...doesn't really adhere to all the elements in the parable of the wheat & the tares.
But I do see your application even though I am sure that is not the message Jesus was giving since He is not coming back to harvest the true Bible version out of the world.

The verses I find Jesus is talking about us needing to discern which Bible version loves Him and which does not can be found here.

John 14:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

When they change His words by deferring from the testimony of the Son, then I am grieved.

John 5:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Psalm 119:
[SUP]157 [/SUP]Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. [SUP]158 [/SUP]I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Anyway, thanks for sharing, brother.

Unless you can tie in all the elements of the wheat & the tares parable to how you were applying it towards Bible version, I am just not seeing it as applied fully to that parable.

 
Mar 23, 2016
7,021
1,673
113
Jesus's Parables are of immense significance. Here for discussion is the parable of the wheat and the tares

Matthew 13

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
...
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
.....
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
According to Jesus in Matt 13:

38 – the field is the world
38 – the good seed are the children of the kingdom
38 – the tares are the children of the wicked one
39 – the enemy is the devil
39 – the harvest is the end of the world [Gr. aiōn = age]
39 – the reapers are the angels
40 – the tares are gathered and burned in fire


The tares are gathered from the "field" (the world) by the "reapers" (angels) and burned.

The fact that Jesus allows the tares to grow among the wheat in His kingdom does not mean that the tares were ever His.

Jesus very explicitly states the tares are the children of the wicked one (Matt 13:38).

Who is the wicked one?


 
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
According to Jesus in Matt 13:

38 – the field is the world
38 – the good seed are the children of the kingdom
38 – the tares are the children of the wicked one
39 – the enemy is the devil
39 – the harvest is the end of the world [Gr. aiōn = age]
39 – the reapers are the angels
40 – the tares are gathered and burned in fire


The tares are gathered from the "field" (the world) by the "reapers" (angels) and burned.

The fact that Jesus allows the tares to grow among the wheat in His kingdom does not mean that the tares were ever His.

Jesus very explicitly states the tares are the children of the wicked one (Matt 13:38).

Who is the wicked one?


I second that.
 
May 12, 2017
2,641
65
0
Yes Enow, I can relate to this. But flesh is also the human mind wanting to do things our own way.

The Wheat and Tares follows directly from the Parable of the Sower, where the seed is 'the word of the kingdom'.

So it does not seem unreasonable to see the wheat as accurate translations of the Word, and tares as malicious perverted translations, which nonetheless have every appearance, being Bibles, of being the Word.
The seed is the word of God...the Seed is Jesus and he sowed himself and now ministers of the Gospel now sow him into different heart conditions...
 
Mar 23, 2016
7,021
1,673
113
Enow said:
In the parable of the wheat & the tares, this refers to those whom had received Him as they are in His kingdom and how they had grown whether in the world or as tares when moreso in the world.
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Jesus does not say that the tares are "those whom had received Him".

Jesus makes it clear that the tares are the children of the wicked one.

Who is the wicked one?

In your interpretation, you make Jesus the wicked one!!! That is absolutely not true!!!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
The wheat are the saved..the tares the lost...they both grow side by side...the harvest is the end of the age...the reapers the angels....and a very interesting point.....GOD begins to move AGAINST THE TARES before he Gathers the wheat <---post trib ingathering.......
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
The wheat are the saved..the tares the lost...they both grow side by side...the harvest is the end of the age...the reapers the angels....and a very interesting point.....GOD begins to move AGAINST THE TARES before he Gathers the wheat <---post trib ingathering.......
where would you place the church during the time of the two witnesses' testimony?

Is the church raptured prior to the two witnesses testimony?
or after?
 

Locutus

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2017
5,928
685
113
The parable needs to be put in it's correct context, the 1st century AD.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one

Jesus identifies who are "tare" children of the kingdom are previously:

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The kingdom at that time was mixed with the believing children of God and the children of the wicked one.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
The parable needs to be put in it's correct context, the 1st century AD.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one

Jesus identifies who are "tare" children of the kingdom are previously:

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The kingdom at that time was mixed with the believing children of God and the children of the wicked one.
That's why I'm asking about revelation 11 with regards to the body of Christ during the time of the two witnesses testimony
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
would CHRIST uproot anything until the full numbers in CHRIST are complete?
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
Revelation 11

and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become
the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
where would you place the church during the time of the two witnesses' testimony?

Is the church raptured prior to the two witnesses testimony?
or after?
I personally believe the two witnesses, rule of the beast, great tribulation all take place during the same time frame identified as 42 months or 3.5 years or 1260 days....I believe the Lord's churches (plural) will be here until the 7th trump of Revelation at which time the great trib ends and the wrath of God is poured out. During this time frame the Lord's churches will be ostracized and persecuted to tje extent that the majority of it's witness will be supressed as the beast makes war against, overcomes and wears out the saints of the most high <--mentioned in Daniel and Revelation.....the word keep as applied unto the FAITHFUL church at Philadelphia indicates to be protected and or guarded from loss or harm not taken out as some like to say.......

And since wrath is coming...I believe Enoch and Elijah will be the two witnessess...both were under the law and never perished under the law.......

This is the short end of the stick....have a 212 page book in my blog I wrote on the 2nd coming...read it and weigh it yourself...
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
To HIS BODY of believers, HE said they are not of this world even as I am not of this world (John 17)

I'm not sure that the parable is addressing the church as both wheat and tares

those who have believed prior to the point of tribulation are said to have been transferred out of the kingdom of darkness and brought into the kingdom of Light and are even seated in the heavenly realms in CHRIAT JEDUS

Again , HE says of HIS believers, I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom you (referring to the father) have given me out of the world
 

Locutus

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2017
5,928
685
113
That's why I'm asking about revelation 11 with regards to the body of Christ during the time of the two witnesses testimony
I'm not sure where you are going with this, however, look here:

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

42 months was the length of the siege of Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD, so this places the time of the two witnesses in that time frame.
 

miknik5

Senior Member
Jun 2, 2016
7,833
591
113
This is about the partial rapture when God shall judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event. He is excommunicating saved believers found not abiding in Him, but receiving the vessels unto honor in His House.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

It would be an assumption to believe that the furnace of fire is referring to hell or the lake of fire when there is a fire coming on the earth. Jesus cannot lose any one which is why He will get His lost sheep that went astray that were left behind as they will be resurrected after the great tribulation to be received in His House as vessels unto dishonor.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth is the loss of that first inheritance of being received as vessels unto honor in His House, but God will wipe the tears away from their eyes in performing that miracle to get past their loss for the prodigal son will find that he is still son as they will serve the King of kings in raising up the generations coming out of the milleniel reign of Christ.
Yes, but the idea here is side-by-side. As you say, that can be business, but also can be a Church setting too. Dennis Radar comes to mind..
well spotted Enow. It is the Church.

Wheat = Church
Tares = Satanists in Church
This is what I'm referring to
not sure I'm in agreement that the wheat and the tares are THE CHURCH