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The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares
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I am sure J7 is a forgiving type.
Feel free to explain why you do not agree with my post.
Is the world thrown in the lake of fire too?
If the field is the world and there is a harvest of saved believers, then the harvest is taking them out of the field and thus out of the world into the Father's kingdom above; hence pre trib rapture.
What is not being taken out of the field and thus not out of the world are the tares. That is where the furnace of fire is at.. in the world.
As the world was once flooded by water, then so will the world face the coming fire on the earth after the pre trib rapture as those servants of His left behind for not preparing themselves will receive stripes & not just the coming fire on earth ( Luke 12:40-49 & 2 Peter 3rd chapter ) that will destroy one third of the earth as indicated in several places in the Book of Revelation.
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Show me where people are burned .
It says they are GATHERED and burned.
That is the LOF. After the millennium. It has nothing to do with the rapture
Yes, Jesus does explain the parable of the tares of the field. Jesus also explains the parable of the sower.stonesoffire said:
In the parable of the tares, two seeds are sown — good seed and tares.
The good seed is sown by the Son of man (Matt 13:37).
The tares are sown by the enemy (Matt 13:25).
The good seed are the children of the kingdom (Matt 13:38).
The tares are the children of the wicked one (Matt 13:38).
The wicked one is the enemy of the Son of man.
Who is the wicked one who is the enemy of the Son of man?
In the parable of the sower, there is one seed sown — the word of the kingdom (Matt 13:19).
It is improper interpretation to change the children of the kingdom / children of the wicked one of the parable of the tares into the word of the kingdom of the parable of the sower.
The whole purpose for the GOSPEL to be preached is to take out of "egypt" out of the kingdom of darkness so as to bring into ISRAEL into the kingdom of LIGHT (in CHRIST JESUS)...a people called and marked as belonging to GOD.
And some will hear and believe
And some will hear and not believe
Tribes of "THE EARTH"...
Johm 17 clearly states, as Ephesians does as well.,..that we are not of this world, even as HE is not of this world.
That GOD has already transferred us out of the kingdom of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of LIGHT
That we are seated in the heavenly realms in CHRIST JESUS
Further, as John 17 states, CHRIST does NOT pray for the "world" but only those whom THE FATHER has given HIM OUT OF THE WORLD.
It is irrelevant actually. Jesus says 'all things that offend' in the Kingdom are destroyed, not just the wicked children.
Clearly malign and distorted versions of the Bible would be high on the list of offensive things.
I can explain more on that, but I would think it is self-evident. Perhaps I assume a little too much of you?
The structure of the parables is actually complex, which is why the disciples sought clarification. You are free to disagree with me and ask me to explain further, but calling it improper doesn't mean a thing to me. Maybe you just aren't very intelligent so cannot articulate a proper response.
Clearly malign and distorted versions of the Bible would be high on the list of offensive things.
I can explain more on that, but I would think it is self-evident. Perhaps I assume a little too much of you?
The structure of the parables is actually complex, which is why the disciples sought clarification. You are free to disagree with me and ask me to explain further, but calling it improper doesn't mean a thing to me. Maybe you just aren't very intelligent so cannot articulate a proper response.
See that's the thing.
While HE is KING of KINGS....in this world, satan has temporary rule..
It's why I pointed to Revelation 11 where it says NOW is the Kingdom of this world become our lords and HIS CHRIST...
What happened that NOW the Kingdom of this world is now HIS that HE is beginning HIS "RULE"
Is it because the DAY of HIS WRATH has come?
So, basically, when is HIS BODY/HIS CHURCH/HIS BRIDE removed?
I have no viewpoint on the rapture...
I don't know either way...
I can't confirm from THE LORD anything other than I see in Daniel, and in Revelation, and in 2Thesselonians 2...this notion that there will be a removal of HIS BODY prior to the great tribulation...
Why?
Because many will be killed who will not be flexible in their faithfulness to THE LORD and will hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS.
Also, because as the unbelieving jews begin to consider rebuilding the temple, those who are believers, HIS BODY/HIS BRIDE/HIS CHURCH...I can't see how they won't be warning their ignorant older Jewish unbelieving brothers that this is already an abomination...
HIS WITNESSES who testify to this will be seen as troublers and will be killed because they will be thought to be interfering in god's plan...
When (though the earthly temple will be rebuilt to fulfill all prophecy), those who are believers IN CHRIST JESUS, will have no part in it, and will be sorrowful for its construction...
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They'll be martyred for testifying against Jerusalem for rebuilding an earthly temple and not understanding that CHRIST is already the "ZERUBABBEL" whose hands laid the FOUNDATION and whose hands will complete it.
I don't know either way...
I can't confirm from THE LORD anything other than I see in Daniel, and in Revelation, and in 2Thesselonians 2...this notion that there will be a removal of HIS BODY prior to the great tribulation...
Why?
Because many will be killed who will not be flexible in their faithfulness to THE LORD and will hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS.
Also, because as the unbelieving jews begin to consider rebuilding the temple, those who are believers, HIS BODY/HIS BRIDE/HIS CHURCH...I can't see how they won't be warning their ignorant older Jewish unbelieving brothers that this is already an abomination...
HIS WITNESSES who testify to this will be seen as troublers and will be killed because they will be thought to be interfering in god's plan...
When (though the earthly temple will be rebuilt to fulfill all prophecy), those who are believers IN CHRIST JESUS, will have no part in it, and will be sorrowful for its construction...
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They'll be martyred for testifying against Jerusalem for rebuilding an earthly temple and not understanding that CHRIST is already the "ZERUBABBEL" whose hands laid the FOUNDATION and whose hands will complete it.
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Please review the difference between those who have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION and then the souls of those who have to wait after the 1000 year reign who will be raised to be judged.
Please review Revelation 20 and John 5
Remember, have all heard the VOICE of the SON OF GOD...now?
And as it is written in John 5, there is a difference between those who have heard HIS VOICE and believed, while they are still physically alive...from those who will hear HIS VOICE...later, and after they have already physically died.
Revelation 11 states...NOW is the kingdom of this world become our lord's and HIS CHRIST...
HE is beginning to exercise HIS RULE...
I don't know Miknik, but I think when we consider Revelation 1:7, Matthew 24:30 and the Parable of the Tares, it is clear that an event that causes widespread wailing, i.e. Grieving, occurs prior to the rapture
I am asking for clarification.
This is what I see and understand from the WORD of GOD.
If anyone is against this, please point me to scripture so that I can apologize.
But until then, the wheat and the tares are not believers.
And the kingdom of GOD...is not the same as the kingdom of the world...
Further, CHRIST said not to uproot anything before the time...
We can't while the GOSPEL and the MINISTRY of RECONCILIATION is still continuing...we can't just uproot what our eyes deem to be tares...
We aren't the LORD of the HARVEST...and the HARVEST of the earth will not come until the end of all things...then a second ministry begins...the day of wrath...
And the rest of the dead who will be raised to be judged according to their works will not happen until after the great tribulation...and after the 1000 year reign
This is what I see and understand from the WORD of GOD.
If anyone is against this, please point me to scripture so that I can apologize.
But until then, the wheat and the tares are not believers.
And the kingdom of GOD...is not the same as the kingdom of the world...
Further, CHRIST said not to uproot anything before the time...
We can't while the GOSPEL and the MINISTRY of RECONCILIATION is still continuing...we can't just uproot what our eyes deem to be tares...
We aren't the LORD of the HARVEST...and the HARVEST of the earth will not come until the end of all things...then a second ministry begins...the day of wrath...
And the rest of the dead who will be raised to be judged according to their works will not happen until after the great tribulation...and after the 1000 year reign
Nope...for it is not in line to Zechariah 4 or Ezra 3
See HE is coming on the clouds, and all eyes shall see HIM.
Even those who pierced HIM.
At the building of the earthly temple through the direction of Ezra and Nehemiah, those who knew the old temple, along with those who didn't remember the old...both let out a different emotional response at the sighting of the temple.
Except the sighting of THIS TEMPLE is a different TEMPLE and still will be received with an different emotional response.
Some will mourn (as for an only son)...and some will cry out in awesome exultation...GRACE, GRACE unto it...
And if anyone opens their mouth to say...but LORD, LORD, didn't (((((I)))))))...
What do they know of GRACE????????
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j7, why are you liking me on this post?
Look at 2 Thesselonians 2 and compare it to John 13 through John 17 and see if what you are given to understand is the same as what I have been given to understand.
And that is a pretrib rapture.
Why?
Because HE said HE would never leave us...that HE would send another comforter who will be with us
F O R E V E R. I will not leave you are orphans...I will come to you.
And LO...I am with you even to the end of the ages....
So, when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way as spoken in 2 thesselonians 2 (though for a temporal 21 days (as mentioned in Daniel) period) where is HIS BODY?>
who has noticed this parable shoots holes inna 1000 years on earth theory???????? seems clear that Jesus will destroy the wicked and save the righteous...........hmm. no second chances no middle ground.
Not if this parable depicts what happens in Revelation 20
No second chance?
after coming out of such a great tribulation to a period of 1000 years of peace (though temporal) , who ihould be blamed for their rebellion when during that time and up to the very end of the 1000 year period satan had been bound up?
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Is it irrelevant to Father? Is it irrelevant to us?J7 said:
Look at what happened to Adam / Eve when they thought it was "irrelevant" to not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Yes, and then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father (Matt 13:43).J7 said:
So, if 'all things that offend' are gathered out of the kingdom and cast into the furnace of fire, then all that remains in the kingdom are the children of the kingdom, this cannot be the pre-trib rapture.
The pre-trib rapture is when the born again ones are gathered out of the world. In the parable of the tares, the opposite occurs ... "all things that offend" are gathered out.
To malign me is a poor debate tactic and suggests an inability to refute the central point.J7 said:
J7, you don't believe in the tribulation?
Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Jesus spoke of the great tribulation:
Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Have a blessed day, J7.
Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Jesus spoke of the great tribulation:
Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Have a blessed day, J7.