Not By Works
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Forgiveness has to reign in our lives Bill. Otherwise we become bitter, and that root is evil. Jesus gave us a new commandment and that is to love others as He has loved us.
Now, restoration, and deliverance must come and sometimes one has to leave the source of their bitterness in order to be restored.
That is one one thing I "work hard" to avoid. Forgive quickly and clothe oneself in His nature. There is our helmet.
Now, restoration, and deliverance must come and sometimes one has to leave the source of their bitterness in order to be restored.
That is one one thing I "work hard" to avoid. Forgive quickly and clothe oneself in His nature. There is our helmet.
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My question it to this is how is enough love measured, when have we done enough good works to ensure we maintain our saved status?
If we are honest the Bible never defines the “amount” of proof, in either category, whether the category be good works or avoiding sin. The believer is called to good works and the believer is called to avoid sin. But since nobody is ever doing as much as they could be, and all believers still sin, then the believer is left with no assurance of anything if one adopts this way of thinking.
As well with the belief that eternal life can be forfeited by lack of proof of works, again drawn to its logical conclusion is that
the truth of “Jesus died for us”, does not apply if you “sin too much” or “do too little”.
And again you yourself have no measure by which you know that you are proving anything to God or anyone else for that matter.
I would say God needs no evidence or proof because it is His work that justifies.
It is God that justifieth. Romans 8
God does not need to prove His own work to Himself
As well “Justified” is a judicial term that describes the status of a person whom the judge has declared “not guilty” and the status is not conferred by works. Scripture is very clear on this from front to back.
If we are honest the Bible never defines the “amount” of proof, in either category, whether the category be good works or avoiding sin. The believer is called to good works and the believer is called to avoid sin. But since nobody is ever doing as much as they could be, and all believers still sin, then the believer is left with no assurance of anything if one adopts this way of thinking.
As well with the belief that eternal life can be forfeited by lack of proof of works, again drawn to its logical conclusion is that
the truth of “Jesus died for us”, does not apply if you “sin too much” or “do too little”.
And again you yourself have no measure by which you know that you are proving anything to God or anyone else for that matter.
I would say God needs no evidence or proof because it is His work that justifies.
It is God that justifieth. Romans 8
God does not need to prove His own work to Himself
As well “Justified” is a judicial term that describes the status of a person whom the judge has declared “not guilty” and the status is not conferred by works. Scripture is very clear on this from front to back.
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Good Morning Grace777
Would correct theology say this: our works of righteousness could never satisfy God's Holy standard, the Law; not before we are saved, (reconciled to God). not after we are saved, (pronounced not guilty), and when we stand at the judgment seat of Christ, (the bema seat), for rewards not punishment. 2Corinthians5:10.
Point: It is God's righteousness at work in our life; from start to finish, period.
16) For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work,
saving everyone who believes; the Jew first and also the Gentile.
17) For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith." Romans1:16,17
True Gospel
Would correct theology say this: our works of righteousness could never satisfy God's Holy standard, the Law; not before we are saved, (reconciled to God). not after we are saved, (pronounced not guilty), and when we stand at the judgment seat of Christ, (the bema seat), for rewards not punishment. 2Corinthians5:10.
Point: It is God's righteousness at work in our life; from start to finish, period.
16) For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work,
saving everyone who believes; the Jew first and also the Gentile.
17) For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith." Romans1:16,17
True Gospel
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I do not oppose people and have never opposed people...I oppose hypocrisy, contradiction, double mindedness, and outright lies and covering up of personal behavior.....it is perfectly and duly noted what happens in this thread[not the entire site] and it the perception appears to be appallingly one-sided...maybe it is not, but it appears this way....
I am being wise in my posting on this thread....I have placed many on ignore and they have me on ignore and that is proper and in order..I will honor and respect their decision and not reply to them...and hopefully they will not respond to me either....that is proper and in order....The mods decision was proper and in order, because he is the authority....and he could have cleaned house.....
My comment earlier to DCON was just that...great, you summed up the point of your original OP, now let it go and lets move on....
Are you trying to spin up something up out of my post? I am asking you, because it sure appears to be what you are doing...if you are not, fine...and all good...
Are you also trying to imply what my motives are?...your implications are just that, implications that may not be implying anything correct about my motives....if your are not, again, fine and all good...
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Rom 6:18
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:4
As the people of God we are slaves to righteousness, it is our heart, soul and Spirit.
If we sin it grieves us deeply and until we resolve it it becomes a burden on our souls.
It is not so much that we have attained perfection or know fully how to walk in it, but
this is our goal and our path.
So to be in Christ is to walk in righteousness, literally.
We are not sinners with a free pass. The tension is always this desire to walk in His
ways and with His truth.
Rom 6:18
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:4
As the people of God we are slaves to righteousness, it is our heart, soul and Spirit.
If we sin it grieves us deeply and until we resolve it it becomes a burden on our souls.
It is not so much that we have attained perfection or know fully how to walk in it, but
this is our goal and our path.
So to be in Christ is to walk in righteousness, literally.
We are not sinners with a free pass. The tension is always this desire to walk in His
ways and with His truth.
OK, everyone, let's take a long hard look at this.
Doing good works he says is part of an antichrist belief. Even doing good works to "live by faith"
Let's swing the pendelem the other way..... what's the other extreme? Salvation by saying I believe in Jesus, & nothing else matters.
So, instead of the usual right/wrong issue, might we want to look at which group is closer to their extreme?
If one side IS wrong, that's no guarantee the other IS right.
Neither is it a guarantee the other side isn't an antichrist system either.
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