New world order Bible Versions (NIV ESV NKJV etc)

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trofimus

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Another jab at the the KJV. Do you know something? When a translation is hated, burned, mocked, despised, and rejected, it is suffering the same fate as the Son of God, who is also the eternal Word of God. So in fact that is CONFIRMATION that the KJV is indeed the written Word of God. You will not find such malice directed toward any of the modern versions.
In such a case I hope your malice against the NIV will stop :)
 

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In such a case I hope your malice against the NIV will stop :)
A mere paraphrase does not deserve malice. It simply deserves the garbage bin. Did you know that Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph, that is so highly prized by the critics) was found in a dust bin by Tischendorf, because it was kept there for kindling by the monks? Had Tischendorf not rescued it, it would have been mere ashes. And the NIV owes its existence primarily to Aleph and B.
 

trofimus

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A mere paraphrase does not deserve malice. It simply deserves the garbage bin. Did you know that Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph, that is so highly prized by the critics) was found in a dust bin by Tischendorf, because it was kept there for kindling by the monks? Had Tischendorf not rescued it, it would have been mere ashes. And the NIV owes its existence primarily to Aleph and B.
Yes, I know that, some pages were in a trash bin. Luckily, Tischendorf saved it. He then returned with Russian tsar and got the rest.
 
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Yes, I know that, some pages were in a trash bin. Luckily, Tischendorf saved it. He then returned with Russian tsar and got the rest.
Hey, that could have been God's way of preserving His word in the NIV. Man was going to destroy it, but had it saved from the fiery flames.

This is just as plausible as as the lunacy the KJVO's are purporting.
 

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I wonder who would tempt man to doubt the word of God? Hmmmm? See the garden. He's been doing it from the beginning.
Again, no one here doubts the word of God. What most of us doubt (and reject) is your claim that the only true word of God is the KJV.
Stop claiming the moral high ground based on the good old straw man argument.
 

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purification process, 7 times, God's number of completion
Starting with the Venerable Bede at the end of the 7th century, there were at least eight English translations of the Bible. Aside from the Old English translations, we have those of Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthews, The Geneva Bible, The Bishops' Bible, and then the Authorized Version (King James Bible).
Somehow, this doesn't add up. scratching.png
 
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Again, no one here doubts the word of God. What most of us doubt (and reject) is your claim that the only true word of God is the KJV.
Stop claiming the moral high ground based on the good old straw man argument.
And when pressed to show their support of how they can know beyond any doubt the KJVO is the word of God...crickets.

What evidence is there that proves BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT, the KJV is the word of God?
 

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Again, no one here doubts the word of God. What most of us doubt (and reject) is your claim that the only true word of God is the KJV.
Stop claiming the moral high ground based on the good old straw man argument.
If you are convinced we have the pure words of God, then where can I find them? Please tell me.
 
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Check out this article: 9 Reasons I Don’t Read the KJV – TRAVISAGNEW.ORG

Here is an excerpt:

Second, although it is often asserted that heretics produced some of the New Testament MSS we now have in our possession, there is only one group of MSS known to be produced by heretics: certain Byzantine MSS of the book of Revelation. This is significant because the Byzantine text stands behind the KJV!



 

trofimus

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Check out this article: 9 Reasons I Don’t Read the KJV – TRAVISAGNEW.ORG

Here is an excerpt:

Second, although it is often asserted that heretics produced some of the New Testament MSS we now have in our possession, there is only one group of MSS known to be produced by heretics: certain Byzantine MSS of the book of Revelation. This is significant because the Byzantine text stands behind the KJV!



I learned Greek from and used for years the Textus Receptus and I was very blessed by it.

Then I switched to Byzantine text with alternate reading of Critical Nestlé Aland so I see both main texts at once.

I think this wars "this is pure and this is corrupted by heretics" is useless. All texts are useful for any Christian. We can discuss this or that word but nothing basic actually changes.

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The situation of the OT is different. Differences between the LXX and MSS texts are huge and on very important places.
 
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I learned Greek from and used for years the Textus Receptus and I was very blessed by it.

Then I switched to Byzantine text with alternate reading of Critical Nestlé Aland so I see both main texts at once.

I think this wars "this is pure and this is corrupted by heretics" is useless. All texts are useful for any Christian. We can discuss this or that word but nothing basic actually changes.

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The situation of the OT is different. Differences between the LXX and MSS texts are huge and on very important places.
I don't know if it is useless or not, but thanks for your opinion.

I used to read the KJV and was blessed by it. I now use modern versions and am blessed by them.
 

trofimus

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I don't know if it is useless or not, but thanks for your opinion.

I used to read the KJV and was blessed by it. I now use modern versions and am blessed by them.
That proves that we can use almost any version, text family or translation as long as it is not heavily biased (like NWT and similar).

The only problem is when some group stick to only one version and fanatically propagates it by calling others corrupted, gnostic, satanic and I do not know what else.

I am talking about the New Testament.
 

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Any alleged "coded system" in a given translation that is not apparent in the original language and in other-language translations is not actually a coded system in Scripture. It is only an accident of the destination language, and has no value in identifying that translation as special.
I thought it was in an earlier version/Greek. Probably wrong??

The geniology in 7's or something?
 

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That proves that we can use almost any version, text family or translation as long as it is not heavily biased (like NWT and similar).

The only problem is when some group stick to only one version and fanatically propagates it by calling others corrupted, gnostic, satanic and I do not know what else.

I am talking about the New Testament.
The issue is people not realign 3000 word changes. Verse removal entirely, changes of meanings, using tiny footnotes instead, just to get a copyright and make money£££.

The Bible implies in many verses, don't mess with the word of God. But you say, it's ok.
Even though most Christians have never read a KJV verse.

Just faulty version's (over 150+).
Rediculous. Especially when people generally don't know the minority usage, text is younger than the Peshitta Bible and more.
 

trofimus

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The issue is people not realign 3000 word changes. Verse removal entirely, changes of meanings, using tiny footnotes instead, just to get a copyright and make money£££.

The Bible implies in many verses, don't mess with the word of God. But you say, it's ok.
Even though most Christians have never read a KJV verse.

Just faulty version's (over 150+).
Rediculous. Especially when people generally don't know the minority usage, text is younger than the Peshitta Bible and more.
I never said its OK to mess with the word of God. Thats what for example The New World Translation does.

The endeavour to reconstruct the best text is not messing with the word of God.
 

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I never said its OK to mess with the word of God. Thats what for example The New World Translation does.

The endeavour to reconstruct the best text is not messing with the word of God.
I was talking about the NIV, NKJV, NLT, AMP, (150+ new English translations) using the "minority" Nestle's catholic text.
 

trofimus

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I was talking about the NIV, NKJV, NLT, AMP, (150+ new English translations) using the "minority" Nestle's catholic text.
Nestle is not catholic, its protestant.

Textus receptus is catholic.

And Byzantine text is orthodox.
 

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I never said its OK to mess with the word of God. Thats what for example The New World Translation does.

The endeavour to reconstruct the best text is not messing with the word of God.

it's *almost* the same issue as i have with things like the NLT and MSG -- though these are readily admitted to be paraphrases, without an attempt at being literal, they still are by paraphrasing instead of translating, putting a presumed interpretation and theological slant to the text. people should not consider those things on the same level as honest efforts of translation.

but the NWT is radically different, claiming to be not only a literal translation, but claiming to be "the best" -- all the while deleting and adding things without any basis in the underlying Greek or Hebrew at all, but very, very obviously altering scripture with a very, very obvious bias towards removing anything in the scripture that calls out the JW heresy.

the Bible readily refutes JW's, whether you're reading KJV, Wycliffe, or any modern translation. so they re-wrote the Bible to suit themselves. that​ is the NWT.
no wonder their so-called "translating" committee was meant to be anonymous - who wants to admit what they've done? but God knows, and what's known about the men that did this even now is that none of them had any credentials in either Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew. not as though they needed any for the evil they were perpetrating anyhow.

((rawr rawr))

paraphrases have a similar issue but 'for the most part' don't change the message of the text, and ((again 'for the most part')) don't claim to be the verbatim Word. differences are in details, even though some of those details can lead to significant differences in theology if one doesn't compare a literal translation. with the NWT, there are radical changes specifically introducing heresy, and it pawns itself off as being the literal, verbatim Word.

i suspect some posts were removed by mods, but is it any wonder the OP of this thread was quickly banned? it's like i said, JW's tend to get run out of here post-haste. thank you, mod team :)
 
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