Example of a Flippant Attitude toward the Gospel

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pottersclay

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Satan has done a number on so many people.......the worst ones are.....conditional forgiveness. Sins to bad to be forgiven. Not chosen to be forgiven.

Agape love has no bounds......turns no one away......sets all free. God is this agape love.

Heaven or hell is a true message for there are only 2 places the soul ends up. To know that hell need not be a option is the gospel message.
 
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Satan has done a number on so many people.......the worst ones are.....conditional forgiveness. Sins to bad to be forgiven. Not chosen to be forgiven.

Agape love has no bounds......turns no one away......sets all free. God is this agape love.

Heaven or hell is a true message for there are only 2 places the soul ends up. To know that hell need not be a option is the gospel message.
I agree with the majority of your statements! However, there is still the comforting doctrine of election, the milk of the Word and other details in the Gospel that must be preached.

Yes God loved the world, sent His Son, yet all unbelieving are under His wrath; John 3:16ff. We have the book of Revelation for those to read who think of God merely as this being of love that overlooks all other things (not saying you are saying this, so take no offense).

By the way, if God loved each and every man unconditionally, the way they are, there would be no need for Christ and the transforming power of the Gospel. This type of agapao falls short of the entire reality. Yes, God so loved the world, that He gave...and for a reason, to save us, who were under His divine wrath; Ephesians 2:3. Yes, I've looked at this word agape and see that the church has abused, misused, and misapplied its contextual meaning. Very popular to do this by the way, but the true sense of meaning of Scripture and truth itself has always been loathed, and in particular by many in churches.

We should not discount or diminish the glory of God's justice that He has placed in His Gospel message, of His Sovereignty, warnings of reprobation, His mercy to those He wills to show mercy. These things are not preached and man has garnered a truncated gospel from all of this.

We should not be one sided on the truth; 2 Timothy 2:15. I for one am determined not to be. There are many warnings then to go along with the Gospel as even our LORD Jesus showed us during His earthly ministry. God still shows mercy on whom He wills (the very first thing God shared with Moses when he desired to know more of God and His glory) and hardens whom He wills. These remain the same - God is immutable.

I believe a candy coated gospel has led the man in the link and many others to see God as a pushover, that He loves them no matter what they do in spite of the wrath abiding on unbelievers being pronounced by God. They will have none of this and believe none of this and many in churches deny this truth.

God is their personal friend if He does what they want, an arrogant twisting of John 15:14. These get the idea that all die and go to heaven and are greeted by loved ones, and somewhere is this grandpa god that waves at them when they get there. They cannot fathom that their soul faces impending damnation if they do not repent and believe the Gospel, in light of a candy coated god and gospel. They balk at this, and see this as the fault of the church to practice 2 Timothy 2:15, and have instead embraced pragmatism, user-friendly tactics and frankly a truncated false gospel.
 
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Folks who don't believe in God or Heaven, are in for one HELL of an awakening to the Truth!


(just saying)
 

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When a person gets saved and begins the journey of being transformed by the renewing of their minds in Christ.... their desire is to be more like Jesus because that is what the renewing process causes a believer to want more and more each day. The more they learn about the love of God in Christ., the more they are able to love. Herein is love., not that we loved God but that He loved us.... It's always about Him and not about us.

In order to see the greatest of the commandments come through to be real in our lives....we have to first see how much God loves us. Only then can we love Him with all our hearts and minds. And that is a lesson and process we will be learning as long as we are here on earth. We will be learning how much God loves us IN Christ and we will be growing in our love for Him. The learning never stops because the process of being conformed into His image never stops while we are here on earth.


God shows His perfect justice and holiness and righteousness when He can accept us IN Christ. Why? Because Jesus has met all the demands and conditions of a Holy., Righteous., Just God. The only reason God can do this for us is because He sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. So God is never mocked because Christ has met every standard for us who have been saved. There is no more condemnation for the believer Romans 8:1
 
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Brilliant Joanie, Amen ;)


When a person gets saved and begins the journey of being transformed by the renewing of their minds in Christ.... their desire is to be more like Jesus because that is what the renewing process causes a believer to want more and more each day. The more they learn about the love of God in Christ., the more they are able to love. Herein is love., not that we loved God but that He loved us.... It's always about Him and not about us.

In order to see the greatest of the commandments come through to be real in our lives....we have to first see how much God loves us. Only then can we love Him with all our hearts and minds. And that is a lesson and process we will be learning as long as we are here on earth. We will be learning how much God loves us IN Christ and we will be growing in our love for Him. The learning never stops because the process of being conformed into His image never stops while we are here on earth.


God shows His perfect justice and holiness and righteousness when He can accept us IN Christ. Why? Because Jesus has met all the demands and conditions of a Holy., Righteous., Just God. The only reason God can do this for us is because He sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. So God is never mocked because Christ has met every standard for us who have been saved. There is no more condemnation for the believer Romans 8:1
 
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Indeed. Isn't it funny how in today's world heaven is always literal, always eternal and everyone is going, but hell is never literal and is never eternal and no one is going?
 
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Indeed. Isn't it funny how in today's world heaven is always literal, always eternal and everyone is going, but hell is never literal and is never eternal and no one is going?
That's what the truncated, candy-coated false gospel accomplishes.
 

notuptome

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The wide path that leads to destruction has two edges. On the one hand is easy believe-ism and mental assent that does not produce the new life in Christ. On the other hand is legalism which nullifies the necessity of grace and the blood of Christ. This too does not produce the new life promised in scripture.

The narrow path is right down the middle. It is not found by happenstance nor is one compelled to go therein but it is the path to eternal life. Turning to either side leads away from Christ and many are inclined to walk in those paths.

God has absolute control and no man can come except he be drawn. No man can preserver except the Holy Spirit sustain him. If my eyes wander from Christ I immediately begin to depart from my Lord.

God alone is judge.

For the cause of Christ
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I think this might be a good thread to bring this up since I do not want to make a new one:

The Gospel is certainly one thing we cannot afford to compromise or budge on. Mess up the Gospel and you are chasing after the wind, its a done deal.

But other than the Gospel and the deity of Christ, are there any dangerous false doctrines out there? I know people like to call post or pre-tribulation rapture a false doctrine but come on, it does not affect one's behavior or salvation one bit.
I would say that a false doctrine that is dangerous would be something that causes people to disobey Jesus, would that be correct?
If someone thinks the New Jerusalem is literal and one thinks its symbolic, I hardly think that is a serious false doctrine that will damn a person or cause them to disobey.

EDIT: A great example of two people who have completely different eschatology yet consider each other brothers and show it publicly are John MacArthur and R.C Sproul. Miles apart on eschatology, but identical on the things that matter, that being soteriology, the Gospel etc.
 

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When I was in high school way before I was saved I used to sometimes think God seemed pretty self conceited, basically the same kind of thinking as the thought process posted in the op I thought it was odd how only if you love him will you be saved.
 
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EDIT: A great example of two people who have completely different eschatology yet consider each other brothers and show it publicly are John MacArthur and R.C Sproul. Miles apart on eschatology, but identical on the things that matter, that being soteriology, the Gospel etc.
Yes, they're both strong on the Gospel because they are both Doctrines of Grace Calvinists.
 

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Reader curious about billboard's eternal question: Heaven or Hell?

Basically, if Jesus doesn't do things his way, he won't consider him a "personal friend?"

This all shows that the concept of God has been truncated and domesticated. The Gospel is mocked.

People are in for an eternal rude awakening.
So sad :(

Jn 3:19 — Jn 3:21
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Sometimes all we can do is present The Gospel, share Christ's love, pray and trust Jesus will gather his sheep.
 
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That's what the truncated, candy-coated false gospel accomplishes.
Have you disclosed to people on this thread youa re a TULIP loving, predestination believing, and already know you are one of the elect?

I think to be honest in your threads you should disclose this, so those who do not believe in your false theology will not be wasting their time talking to someone who hides it until he springs it on people to win his argument...
 
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pottersclay

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I agree with the majority of your statements! However, there is still the comforting doctrine of election, the milk of the Word and other details in the Gospel that must be preached.

Yes God loved the world, sent His Son, yet all unbelieving are under His wrath; John 3:16ff. We have the book of Revelation for those to read who think of God merely as this being of love that overlooks all other things (not saying you are saying this, so take no offense).

By the way, if God loved each and every man unconditionally, the way they are, there would be no need for Christ and the transforming power of the Gospel. This type of agapao falls short of the entire reality. Yes, God so loved the world, that He gave...and for a reason, to save us, who were under His divine wrath; Ephesians 2:3. Yes, I've looked at this word agape and see that the church has abused, misused, and misapplied its contextual meaning. Very popular to do this by the way, but the true sense of meaning of Scripture and truth itself has always been loathed, and in particular by many in churches.

We should not discount or diminish the glory of God's justice that He has placed in His Gospel message, of His Sovereignty, warnings of reprobation, His mercy to those He wills to show mercy. These things are not preached and man has garnered a truncated gospel from all of this.

We should not be one sided on the truth; 2 Timothy 2:15. I for one am determined not to be. There are many warnings then to go along with the Gospel as even our LORD Jesus showed us during His earthly ministry. God still shows mercy on whom He wills (the very first thing God shared with Moses when he desired to know more of God and His glory) and hardens whom He wills. These remain the same - God is immutable.

I believe a candy coated gospel has led the man in the link and many others to see God as a pushover, that He loves them no matter what they do in spite of the wrath abiding on unbelievers being pronounced by God. They will have none of this and believe none of this and many in churches deny this truth.

God is their personal friend if He does what they want, an arrogant twisting of John 15:14. These get the idea that all die and go to heaven and are greeted by loved ones, and somewhere is this grandpa god that waves at them when they get there. They cannot fathom that their soul faces impending damnation if they do not repent and believe the Gospel, in light of a candy coated god and gospel. They balk at this, and see this as the fault of the church to practice 2 Timothy 2:15, and have instead embraced pragmatism, user-friendly tactics and frankly a truncated false gospel.
I know where your coming from let me say this ....the 2 main ingredients in any witness is sincerity of the preacher and the Holy spirit that's all you need to bring to the table.
Look at Jonah's message. How indebt did he get? We are not called to persuade but to testify to the truth. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand got a lot of attention.
That little moral compass God put in all of us needs to be rung sometimes. It's a good thing. I'm not out to milk the cow I'm out to round up the heard. Lol
 

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Reader curious about billboard's eternal question: Heaven or Hell?

Basically, if Jesus doesn't do things his way, he won't consider him a "personal friend?"

This all shows that the concept of God has been truncated and domesticated. The Gospel is mocked.

People are in for an eternal rude awakening.
It depressing to read a article like that and see such a cavalier attitude towards basic Christian theology.
It seems like today many hold the same reverence for scripture ,doctrine,and Theology as they do for
ordering fast food at a local drive through . In stead of hold the pickle and the lettuce. It's give me some God
easy on the justice ,extra love and hold the Hell .
Blessings
Bill
 

Laish

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Have you disclosed to people on this thread youa re a TULIP loving, predestination believing, and already know you are one of the elect?

I think to be honest in your threads you should disclose this, so those who do not believe in your false theology will not be wasting their time talking to someone who hides it until he springs it on people to win his argument...
First off don't imply that P4T is not a honest man with your backhanded comment that he should be honest . It's a childish move on your part .
My brother has no hidden agenda it just strait from the hip what he knows to be true .
Its also poor form on your part to just post what you did to put P4T down without comment on the subject of the op .
Bill
 
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I know where your coming from let me say this ....the 2 main ingredients in any witness is sincerity of the preacher and the Holy spirit that's all you need to bring to the table.
Look at Jonah's message. How indebt did he get? We are not called to persuade but to testify to the truth. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand got a lot of attention.
That little moral compass God put in all of us needs to be rung sometimes. It's a good thing. I'm not out to milk the cow I'm out to round up the heard. Lol
I'd dare say that if we think Jonah's message to lack depth we haven't plunged its teachings.
 
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It depressing to read a article like that and see such a cavalier attitude towards basic Christian theology.
It seems like today many hold the same reverence for scripture ,doctrine,and Theology as they do for
ordering fast food at a local drive through . In stead of hold the pickle and the lettuce. It's give me some God
easy on the justice ,extra love and hold the Hell .
Blessings
Bill
Yep, good way to put it. Truncated. Gospel.