Example of a Flippant Attitude toward the Gospel

[preacher4truth]

First off don't imply that P4T is not a honest man with your backhanded comment that he should be honest . It's a childish move on your part .
My brother has no hidden agenda it just strait from the hip what he knows to be true .
Its also poor form on your part to just post what you did to put P4T down without comment on the subject of the op .
Bill

It's been plainly witnessed here that I adhere to the Doctrines of Grace right out in the open, so the accusation that I would spring it on another all of a sudden is laughable and untrue. Those who hold to this are in good company. Paul shows His "calvinism" here; 2 Timothy 2:8-10. Thanks for having my back brother Laish.

 

[preacher4truth]

It depressing to read a article like that and see such a cavalier attitude towards basic Christian theology.
It seems like today many hold the same reverence for scripture ,doctrine,and Theology as they do for
ordering fast food at a local drive through . In stead of hold the pickle and the lettuce. It's give me some God
easy on the justice ,extra love and hold the Hell .
Blessings
Bill

Also wanted to say this; It was saddening to see this journalists attitude, pomp, presumption, blindness, arrogance and flippancy. That right there is the lost man walking in the vanity of his own mind; Ephesians 4:17. But there is hope, many who are now converted were in such an state.

I'd go as far to say that the candy-coated truncated gospel that many preach has lended this man his attitude toward God - that he should be able to mold God into whatever he wants. He mocks certain truths of God such as Sovereign election, Justice, the severity of God, the warning of reprobation.

But let's put that scenario in proper perspective: those who preach their truncated gospel wherein they leave off these truths, or mitigate them into nothingness, do the exact same things, and have helped facilitate such an attitude in others such of that if the man in the OP.

Others get the idea they can come to God any time they so desire, and that this gospel thing is so trivial all they have to do is make a decision whenever they feel like it and its all good. Couple that with the ideas that God would never reprobate anyone or send them to hell, or harden anyone, or withhold mercy &c.

 

[Stephen63]

It depressing to read a article like that and see such a cavalier attitude towards basic Christian theology.
It seems like today many hold the same reverence for scripture ,doctrine,and Theology as they do for
ordering fast food at a local drive through . In stead of hold the pickle and the lettuce. It's give me some God
easy on the justice ,extra love and hold the Hell .
Blessings
Bill

Let's not forget a 10-fold portion of grace that doesn't equal the grace of the Bible.

It's like, "would you like some meat on your greasy-grace burger?"

 

[oldethennew]

PS. 84:11.
For
The LORD God is a Sun and Shield: The LORD will give grace and glory:
no good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Also wanted to say this; It was saddening to see this journalists attitude, pomp, presumption, blindness, arrogance and flippancy. That right there is the lost man walking in the vanity of his own mind; Ephesians 4:17. But there is hope, many who are now converted were in such an state.

I'd go as far to say that the candy-coated truncated gospel that many preach has lended this man his attitude toward God - that he should be able to mold God into whatever he wants. He mocks certain truths of God such as Sovereign election, Justice, the severity of God, the warning of reprobation.

But let's put that scenario in proper perspective: those who preach their truncated gospel wherein they leave off these truths, or mitigate them into nothingness, do the exact same things, and have helped facilitate such an attitude in others such of that if the man in the OP.

Others get the idea they can come to God any time they so desire, and that this gospel thing is so trivial all they have to do is make a decision whenever they feel like it and its all good. Couple that with the ideas that God would never reprobate anyone or send them to hell, or harden anyone, or withhold mercy &c.

I have read many posts on many other forums and there's something amiss. They have thrown every attribute of God out the window in lieu of His love. He can't hate because He is love. He can't have wrath because He is love. He can't be omnipotent and omniscience, because if He is, then He has to know beforehand who are saved and who are not, therefore, tossing divine election and predestination out the window too, because He is love.

No wonder we read “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”[Romans 3:18] Ppl see God as love, and a loving God will not toss them into an eternal gehenna. Oh what a surprise awaits them that die believing this lie.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As sad as it is the way the person responded, the message was pretty judgmental, it started out great, he who believes vs he who does. To believe,

but then hen it went off track and b came judgmental,

1. You must meet the conditions (an impossible task I may add, only jesus met th conditions)
2. If you ain't living for God, repent of your sins (no non believer can live for God, he is an enemy of God, he needs to repent period, he already knows he is a sinner, he does not need told that)
3. If you surrender he will give you eternal life (the Bible does not say this, it says if you believe, again, a non child of God can. To surrender, he needs to be made a child of God first,

jesus said he came not to judge but to save, he problem with e message is it is judgmental, it is not god news, it says clean up your act first then and only then will God give you eternal life.

I can understand he mocking o king tone of the reporter, she is mocking the arrogant puffed up pride of legalism that thinks it cleaned itself up and deserves eternal life, while in the same breath calls it a free gift, which is contradictory at best, and destroys the whole message of god

the message is not that God wants to save us because he loves us, it is your s innerm clean up your act submit to this God, meet th conditions and God will give you eternal life.

Jesus brought a message of peace and honest real life good news, God love you and wants to save you, the Pharisee who crucified him brought a message of religion, meet these conditions, submit to God, and surrender, and you may get eternal life.

We need the message of peace peace and hope, not to judge everyone and try to get them to do what they can. It t until AFTER they are born again,

 

[preacher4truth]

As sad as it is the way the person responded, the message was pretty judgmental, it started out great, he who believes vs he who does. To believe,

but then hen it went off track and b came judgmental,

1. You must meet the conditions (an impossible task I may add, only jesus met th conditions)
2. If you ain't living for God, repent of your sins (no non believer can live for God, he is an enemy of God, he needs to repent period, he already knows he is a sinner, he does not need told that)
3. If you surrender he will give you eternal life (the Bible does not say this, it says if you believe, again, a non child of God can. To surrender, he needs to be made a child of God first,

jesus said he came not to judge but to save, he problem with e message is it is judgmental, it is not god news, it says clean up your act first then and only then will God give you eternal life.

I can understand he mocking o king tone of the reporter, she is mocking the arrogant puffed up pride of legalism that thinks it cleaned itself up and deserves eternal life, while in the same breath calls it a free gift, which is contradictory at best, and destroys the whole message of god

the message is not that God wants to save us because he loves us, it is your s innerm clean up your act submit to this God, meet th conditions and God will give you eternal life.

Jesus brought a message of peace and honest real life good news, God love you and wants to save you, the Pharisee who crucified him brought a message of religion, meet these conditions, submit to God, and surrender, and you may get eternal life.

We need the message of peace peace and hope, not to judge everyone and try to get them to do what they can. It t until AFTER they are born again,

Well, you're not surprised that the hotline didn't get the Gospel right, correct? I mean just look around on here and see the gospel some are peddling.

We have the FGT Gospel:

Imagine adding all this to the Gospel:

"Now, once you pray this prayer, it does not matter how you live, how much sin you remain in, there need not be any change in your lifestyle at all, absolutely no evidence you're saved is necessary, you're still going to go to heaven no matter what. Gospel conversion doesn't really transform people and conversion doesn't really change peoples lives! Now, do you want to make sure you're going to heaven when you die?"

"You mean, I can pray and go to heaven, but I can keep on living in sin? What a wonderful God this is! No wonder they call the Gospel "good news!!! Yes, let's get me to heaven when I die for sure! Then I can go on living however I want. This is wonderful!"

"Yes, isn't it wonderful?!"

Then we have the workers gospel:

"Jesus didn't really save you when you got saved. He just gave you a real slim chance to earn your way to heaven! You have to keep believing, do this, that, and the other, and believe in the unorthodox teachings of losing your salvation. No, I am not preaching works salvation, it's just you have to do these things to get to heaven plus Jesus, OK?!"

"There is absolutely no assurance you are saved so don't listen to people who believe that! I want to examine everything about you; Do you believe every millisecond? If for a millisecond you stop believing, you're going to hell pal!"

"1 John 5:13? Pfffft!!! Nonsense! No one can know they're saved. Keep working hard buddy, and don't stop believing even for a second! Matthew 7:23? What? You think that when Jesus said He never knew them He meant never? LOL!!! It means He once knew them and they were saved, I mean how could Jesus not know someone? Keep working hard pal!"

And we have the WoF gospel:

"Jesus died so you can be filthy rich! Never mind those passages that show the televangelists as what they are: false teachers, covetous, greedy of gain! Don't pay attention to that verse that says those who believe this think gain is godliness! Who cares? Jesus came so you can be materially wealthy, and never ever get sick. THAT is why He died! That is what the gospel is!"

 

[preacher4truth]

I have read many posts on many other forums and there's something amiss. They have thrown every attribute of God out the window in lieu of His love. He can't hate because He is love. He can't have wrath because He is love. He can't be omnipotent and omniscience, because if He is, then He has to know beforehand who are saved and who are not, therefore, tossing divine election and predestination out the window too, because He is love.

No wonder we read “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”[Romans 3:18] Ppl see God as love, and a loving God will not toss them into an eternal gehenna. Oh what a surprise awaits them that die believing this lie.

The demons believe, and tremble. At least they are smart enough to not only know their is God, but to fear Him. Today fear has been mitigated to "reverence" and I'm afraid there isn't even that left any longer. Professing Christians don't tremble at the word and concerning God. God has been domesticated into something manageable.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, you're not surprised that the hotline didn't get the Gospel right, correct? I mean just look around on here and see the gospel some are peddling.

We have the FGT Gospel:

Imagine adding all this to the Gospel:

"Now, once you pray this prayer, it does not matter how you live, how much sin you remain in, there need not be any change in your lifestyle at all, absolutely no evidence you're saved is necessary, you're still going to go to heaven no matter what. Gospel conversion doesn't really transform people and conversion doesn't really change peoples lives! Now, do you want to make sure you're going to heaven when you die?"

"You mean, I can pray and go to heaven, but I can keep on living in sin? What a wonderful God this is! No wonder they call the Gospel "good news!!! Yes, let's get me to heaven when I die for sure! Then I can go on living however I want. This is wonderful!"

"Yes, isn't it wonderful?!"

Then we have the workers gospel:

"Jesus didn't really save you when you got saved. He just gave you a real slim chance to earn your way to heaven! You have to keep believing, do this, that, and the other, and believe in the unorthodox teachings of losing your salvation. No, I am not preaching works salvation, it's just you have to do these things to get to heaven plus Jesus, OK?!"

"There is absolutely no assurance you are saved so don't listen to people who believe that! I want to examine everything about you; Do you believe every millisecond? If for a millisecond you stop believing, you're going to hell pal!"

"1 John 5:13? Pfffft!!! Nonsense! No one can know they're saved. Keep working hard buddy, and don't stop believing even for a second! Matthew 7:23? What? You think that when Jesus said He never knew them He meant never? LOL!!! It means He once knew them and they were saved, I mean how could Jesus not know someone? Keep working hard pal!"

And we have the WoF gospel:

"Jesus died so you can be filthy rich! Never mind those passages that show the televangelists as what they are: false teachers, covetous, greedy of gain! Don't pay attention to that verse that says those who believe this think gain is godliness! Who cares? Jesus came so you can be materially wealthy, and never ever get sick. THAT is why He died! That is what the gospel is!"

the gospel explained in that article, in my view, would fall under the second category. And yes, like you and like Paul, James and John, we are sick of those gospels which do not show the love of God as it is. I am sick of them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The demons believe, and tremble. At least they are smart enough to not only know their is God, but to fear Him. Today fear has been mitigated to "reverence" and I'm afraid there isn't even that left any longer. Professing Christians don't tremble at the word and concerning God. God has been domesticated into something manageable.

True christians do not have to fear, the have been given a spirit of power, and of love, and if a sound mind, and through adoption, a god and s their Abba,

the world Rd does not fear God or they would repent,

one day, they will see just how fearful God can be to those who are not his.

 

[preacher4truth]

True christians do not have to fear, the have been given a spirit of power, and of love, and if a sound mind, and through adoption, a god and s their Abba,

Something like that, yet that passage (2 Timothy 1:7) has a certain context of fear there and the fear of God isn't being considered. The context is about Timothy using his gifts without fear, not a text about having no true Biblical fear of God which goes beyond mere reverence.

There is more to the fear of God than that; John at the feet of Christ in Revelation 1:17. Job in chapter 23:13-17. Isaiah at the sight of God on His throne; Isaiah 6. The disciples recognition of Christ on the water, calming the sea, they were sore afraid. Daniel in chapters 8 & 10. There are many more passages of saints fear in the presence of their Redeemer.

 

[BeyondET]

[video=youtube;bWsCuW7pa2Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWsCuW7pa2Q[/video]

 

[notuptome]

True christians do not have to fear, the have been given a spirit of power, and of love, and if a sound mind, and through adoption, a god and s their Abba,

the world Rd does not fear God or they would repent,

one day, they will see just how fearful God can be to those who are not his.

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Two kinds of fear. One is terror of judgment the other is reverential trust in the love of God.

The natural unregenerate man can not know reverential trust only terror of judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BeyondET]

Have you disclosed to people on this thread youa re a TULIP loving, predestination believing, and already know you are one of the elect?

I think to be honest in your threads you should disclose this, so those who do not believe in your false theology will not be wasting their time talking to someone who hides it until he springs it on people to win his argument...

Ahh the golden child syndrome, such a disception not doubt evil dopes people into these false religions, some of these diluted minds think God gives them the ability to believe, that in its self is a mockery of God.

 

[Meggido]

First off don't imply that P4T is not a honest man with your backhanded comment that he should be honest . It's a childish move on your part .
My brother has no hidden agenda it just strait from the hip what he knows to be true .
Its also poor form on your part to just post what you did to put P4T down without comment on the subject of the op .
Bill

It is also poor form that He castrates people in the name of God all day long...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Something like that, yet that passage (2 Timothy 1:7) has a certain context of fear there and the fear of God isn't being considered. The context is about Timothy using his gifts without fear, not a text about having no true Biblical fear of God which goes beyond mere reverence.

There is more to the fear of God than that; John at the feet of Christ in Revelation 1:17. Job in chapter 23:13-17. Isaiah at the sight of God on His throne; Isaiah 6. The disciples recognition of Christ on the water, calming the sea, they were sore afraid. Daniel in chapters 8 & 10. There are many more passages of saints fear in the presence of their Redeemer.

Not sure what what your saying,

so God twice tells us we have not been given a spirit of fear, then contradicts himself and says we should fear.

god is not he author of confusion,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Two kinds of fear. One is terror of judgment the other is reverential trust in the love of God.

The natural unregenerate man can not know reverential trust only terror of judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger

amen, two types of fear, one a reverence or trust, one outright fear, or terror.
This would resolve the question in my last post.

 

[Meggido]

Not sure what what your saying,

so God twice tells us we have not been given a spirit of fear, then contradicts himself and says we should fear.

god is not he author of confusion,

2 Tim 1.6-7


[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Paul is telling Timothy not to be afraid to use the gift God placed into him, because God did not place the gift in him for him to be fearful of using it or fearful of the gift itself and that God has Timothy given the power[strength & ability], love and a sound[disciplined] mind to use the gift he was given....

 

[preacher4truth]

Not sure what what your saying,

so God twice tells us we have not been given a spirit of fear, then contradicts himself and says we should fear.

god is not he author of confusion,

The context of the passage you've given isn't talking about or referencing fear of God. Brother, with all due respect, you're using it out of its context. And I do respect you highly.

Look up the passages I've given, and the examples: the saints trembled in fear at the presence of God, and rightly so brother.

That said, biblical fear of God goes well beyond "reverence." This is what is revealed in the Word.

 

[preacher4truth]

amen, two types of fear, one a reverence or trust, one outright fear, or terror.
This would resolve the question in my last post.

...and the saints experienced this terror in the sight of God. The passage notuptome provides and uses out of context is not talking about or considering fear of God by his saints.

Consider:

There is no fear in love,.... In the love of the brethren; where that is, there is no fear: so far as that prevails and gains ground, fear removes; not the filial fear of God, the new covenant grace of fear, which is the beginning of wisdom, and is consistent with faith, hope, love, and spiritual joy; but either the fear of men, which brings a snare: those that truly love Christ, his Gospel, and his people, they are not afraid of men; - John Gill