The Trinity Discussion

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bluto said:
Yes! Would Jesus lie? Now answer my question? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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When Jesus was speaking he says, he would show us plainly who his Father is, who is the only true God. So why can't you accept that his Father is the only true God ?
 
Dagallen said:
When Jesus was speaking he says, he would show us plainly who his Father is, who is the only true God. So why can't you accept that his Father is the only true God ?
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You know dagallen, there is really something wrong with you? I answered your question with a 100% yes. Now you tell me why don't I accept that His Father is the only true God? I thought "yes" means that I accept that Jesus' Father is the only true God. So again, if Jesus said, "I am God" would you believe Him, yes or no? :eek: PS: What is there to gain by you being a "hypocrite?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
bluto said:
You know dagallen, there is really something wrong with you? I answered your question with a 100% yes. Now you tell me why don't I accept that His Father is the only true God? I thought "yes" means that I accept that Jesus' Father is the only true God. So again, if Jesus said, "I am God" would you believe Him, yes or no? :eek: PS: What is there to gain by you being a "hypocrite?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Then are you saying that God the Father is the only true God and Jesus is not the only true God but Jesus is the only begotten eternal Son ? Just trying to understand what you really believe.
 
bluto said:
You know dagallen, there is really something wrong with you? I answered your question with a 100% yes. Now you tell me why don't I accept that His Father is the only true God? I thought "yes" means that I accept that Jesus' Father is the only true God. So again, if Jesus said, "I am God" would you believe Him, yes or no? :eek: PS: What is there to gain by you being a "hypocrite?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Jesus spoke the words of his Father, so if Jesus says, I am God, is he speaking about himself or is he speaking about his Father ?
 
jaybird88 said:
if Jesus was the Most High then who was He praying to?
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Now that's a fair question to ask. If Jesus is the most high God, then who was Jesus praying to ? The most high God prays to no one, he does not pray to himself nor any part of himself. So who was Jesus praying to ? He was praying to the only true God, who is his Father.
 
jaybird88 said:
if Jesus was the Most High then who was He praying to?
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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,the only begotten Son of God,conceived of the Holy Spirit,and there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus,to wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself.

No man has seen God at any time,the only begotten Son has declared Him,and God in the Old Testament said,He will reveal His new name to the Jews,and speak to them,and in these last days have spoken unto us by His Son,and Jesus said,if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,for the words I speak are not of My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works.

God reconciled the world to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

God is an omnipresent Spirit,so God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest the fulness of His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and has the Spirit without measure,and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

Jesus is the only way we can see the invisible God,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,which God laid down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood,and the throne on heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The Bible says when Jesus comes He will be from everlasting,having no beginning,as God,but when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,made according to the flesh,as the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus while on earth could speak as God,or as a man,and as a man He prayed to God.

Jesus spoke as a man and said to Mary,I ascend to My Father,and your Father,and to My God,and to your God,and spoke as a man when He said,My God,My God,why have you forsaken Me.

Jesus called God,Lord,and claimed Himself as Lord,and Master,and Thomas called Jesus,my Lord and My God,and Jesus did not rebuke Him.

Jesus is conceived by the Spirit,and is the only begotten Son of God,for He was the only human to be conceived by the Spirit,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom when they receive the Spirit.

Jesus as a man prayed to God,the same as the saints with the Spirit pray to God.
 
MattforJesus said:
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,the only begotten Son of God,conceived of the Holy Spirit,and there is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus,to wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. . . . . . .
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thats great, did you have an answer to the question?
 
Dagallen said:
Now that's a fair question to ask. If Jesus is the most high God, then who was Jesus praying to ? The most high God prays to no one, he does not pray to himself nor any part of himself. So who was Jesus praying to ? He was praying to the only true God, who is his Father.
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He was clearly praying to someone. He also prayed a lot.
 
bluto said:
Still being dishonest dagallen, sigh! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Not at all, after all I did not write the scriptures. If I remember correctly, you said you did not care about the trinity, if you did not say that, then I stand correct. You then said, that you believe that God the Father is the only true God, putting the trinity concept aside for now is a good choice and believing that God the Father is the only true God, is a great choice.
 
God the Father, Jesus and The Holy Spirit, all God. Just because our minds cannot grasp something doesn't mean it isn't true.
 
jaybird88 said:
if Jesus was the Most High then who was He praying to?
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He's obviously is praying to His Father because Jesus who is God became a man (read Philippians 2:5-8) and as a man He did everything pleasing to the Father just like Christians are suppose to please God. Jesus is our supreme example that we are to follow.

Now I have a question for you and dagallen? Jesus says the following at Luke 4:8, "It is written, You shall worship the Lord your God abd serve Him only." Since that is true then how come Thomas is giving Jesus the highest form of worship when He said to Jesus Himself at John 20:28, "The Lord of me and the God of me?" Please explain that to me and tell me why Jesus does not correct Thomas? Also, how do you reconcile what Jesus said at Luke 4:8 to what Thomas said at John 20:28? And don't guess, please give me a biblical reason for this "apparent" contradiction? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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