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FlSnookman7

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I hope no one takes that as a challenge... :D

(Romans 3:8)

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Of course we should never think we should sin more to get more grace but it is sure comforting knowing that when we err we do not risk losing salvation.
 

Rosemaryx

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Remember, he was forgiven before he had a chance to repent, he thought he had to come back as a slave, his father gave him the greatest meal, that's grace 101
Yes i remember...I was going to add the bit also, i wish i did now :rolleyes:...Lesson learned...When ever posting, be sure to add the whole point or else we just type half the story lol...And it makes me wonder about his brother who was angry at his father because he was saying like he was the faithful son and became jealous,i will have to read more into that tomorrow, there is a big lesson in that some where...xox...
 

loveme1

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2 Corinthians 5


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5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.



2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.



4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.



5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.



9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.



14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.



16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.


17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


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eternally-gratefull

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Yes i remember...I was going to add the bit also, i wish i did now :rolleyes:...Lesson learned...When ever posting, be sure to add the whole point or else we just type half the story lol...And it makes me wonder about his brother who was angry at his father because he was saying like he was the faithful son and became jealous,i will have to read more into that tomorrow, there is a big lesson in that some where...xox...
i think the brother was what Jesus was preaching against, we should be praising God about our brothers and sisters, not get mad. And boastful because we think we deserve what they got.
 

Cee

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The older son engaged in religion. He was with His father, but he didn't have joy.

The younger son engaged in rebellion. He left his father because he thought it would be more fun on his own.

Compare the two with the fruit of knowledge of good and evil:

Good: This is what I should be doing to make myself right before God: religion.
Evil: This is what I shouldn't be doing, thinking our way is better than His: rebellion.

Both of them lead to ... nakedness.

Nakedness is hiding in the bushes from God's presence. Neither acknowledge Him. Both hide from Him out of fear of their own nakedness.

This leads to... being covered by Christ... He is our righteousness, He covers our nakedness. So that we can come out of the bushes and once again walk with Him in the cool of the garden. No longer looking at ourselves (and our nakedness), but upon Him and His goodness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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and yet somehow after these little jokes we haven't lost salvation,Gasp,I'm in shock now if I would just let go of the electric fence I would be calm!
you can't let go, I turn d to voltage up to hold you firm, I needed to laugh! Sorry it is at your expense. Lol
 

loveme1

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GOD I thank you for your Truth and leave it here for those that may come and read it.

For the Glory of Heavenly Father and our Lord and Saviour always and forever.

GOD willing I will have more to share and return.

peace and love.
 
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how many people "count" how many times they sin on a day?
for all those who do,tally each one for this day and tell in what way you can lose salvation according to those sins,oh can't remember "All" the sins from this day,well then how can you give an accurate attesting that you can lose salvation considering you can't accurately bear witness to "every" sin of even this day,and anyways is not written"whosoever believeth upon Jesus is a new creature,old things are passed away,the old is gone the new is come",so tell me how can a "new" creature become an "old" creature,in about an hour I shall return to find an answer if there is no answer then I shall by process of elimination have to consider that Salvation "Cannot" be "Lost".
 

Rosemaryx

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i think the brother was what Jesus was preaching against, we should be praising God about our brothers and sisters, not get mad. And boastful because we think we deserve what they got.
And because the father rejoiced in the fact that his son came back home, he did not condemn him for his wicked ways...Just like Jesus is always there for us, He never leaves us nor forsakes us, it is us who take steps away from Him, not He who walks away...xox...
 

stonesoffire

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You avoid many scriptures to hold to your beliefs.. you actually understand not most scripture you propose.. but GOD is good and may you one day fall on the rock and be broken.
I don't care for that Pentecostal saying of falling on the rock. We are broken at the revelation of Gods goodness.

It sounds a bit like a curse to me.
 
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I don't care for that Pentecostal saying of falling on the rock. We are broken at the revelation of Gods goodness.

It sounds a bit like a curse to me.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

It is the same as Christ saying,deny yourself,take up your cross,and follow Me,which we will be broken,for it is no longer our will,but God's will be done,but whoever rejects Jesus,He will go against them.
 

stonesoffire

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and yet somehow after these little jokes we haven't lost salvation,Gasp,I'm in shock now if I would just let go of the electric fence I would be calm!
If joking sent me to hell, I am in deep do do.
 

Magenta

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The older son engaged in religion. He was with His father, but he didn't have joy.

The younger son engaged in rebellion. He left his father because he thought it would be more fun on his own.

Compare the two with the fruit of knowledge of good and evil:

Good: This is what I should be doing to make myself right before God: religion.
Evil: This is what I shouldn't be doing, thinking our way is better than His: rebellion.

Both of them lead to ... nakedness.

Nakedness is hiding in the bushes from God's presence. Neither acknowledge Him. Both hide from Him out of fear of their own nakedness.

This leads to... being covered by Christ... He is our righteousness, He covers our nakedness. So that we can come out of the bushes and once again walk with Him in the cool of the garden. No longer looking at ourselves (and our nakedness), but upon Him and His goodness.
The prodigal was reconciled to his father, but the elder
was not, being too entrenched in his sense of entitlement...

 

stonesoffire

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Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

It is the same as Christ saying,deny yourself,take up your cross,and follow Me,which we will be broken,for it is no longer our will,but God's will be done,but whoever rejects Jesus,He will go against them.
Time for another poem...

~The Hammer


Sometimes it takes a gentle tap


Upon the thin veneer


To penetrate the heart of man


To see My Son so clear.


It’s not My Way to crush the stone


For dust is all of man.


My Hammer is a different tool


Creates and forms My Plan


I smooth and shape these Living Stones


Into My One New Man.


O Child if you could see ahead


The future held for you..


You would not fear the gentle touch


The Hammerer’s Love flows through

New day, new way.



 
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Hi P4T...I am so glad you said this because i did read your above post and i stopped and pondered about it:)...I know because i realize from your above post that Paul trained Timothy up, and that`s when the penny dropped for me...I do have a few old school people i tend to stick with, i must admit i am not one for following any willy nilly, that`s why i decided i am not going to just fall and listen to preachers claiming to preach God word because the frightening thing is, so many today are twisting the word, now these warnings in the Bible i do take note off, the wolves in sheeps clothing, i believe now that i really need to be cautious as we all should, thank you for your post, i appreciate your advice...xox...
I am glad for you sister, very happy you take biblical doctrine seriously. Jesus said His sheep hear his voice, and follow Him. Keep listening, keep following. :)
 

stonesoffire

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Isa 41:6  They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage.
 

Isa 41:7  So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved. 

and the scripture that backs the poem.