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I am a partial preterist, because that is what I read in the Bible. There is no rapture, secret or otherwise. No THE great tribulation, just great tribulations, especially the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, which most, but not all of Matt 24 is about. For example:
"Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” Matt 24:1-2
This actually happened in 70 AD. You say you read histories, go read about Titus and the Roman army, and how the temple was burned to the ground, and then the rocks were torn apart. That pretty much fulfills what Jesus was saying to "this generation"
Wouldn't you say?
"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34
I do not believe Christ returned, that is for the end of the age. So not a full preterist. That's just a few things off the top of my head. Of course, I don't spend all my time obsessing about eschatology like some pre-trib pre-millennialists do in this forum, so I would have to get out my Bible if you want more.
"Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” Matt 24:1-2
This actually happened in 70 AD. You say you read histories, go read about Titus and the Roman army, and how the temple was burned to the ground, and then the rocks were torn apart. That pretty much fulfills what Jesus was saying to "this generation"
Wouldn't you say?
"Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matt 24:34
I do not believe Christ returned, that is for the end of the age. So not a full preterist. That's just a few things off the top of my head. Of course, I don't spend all my time obsessing about eschatology like some pre-trib pre-millennialists do in this forum, so I would have to get out my Bible if you want more.
Hardly so since if there is no rapture there still is no problem. The Lord will return at the close of the tribulation and all of Israel those who remain will be saved. Then will begin the millennial kingdom where people will live for as you say many lifetimes or 1000 years.
After the 1000 years some will rebel against the kingdom and the King. Lucifer having been loosed from the pit will lead the rebellion which will be over thrown for the final time by Christ.
If living here on this sin cursed earth is your thing then who am I to argue against you?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
After the 1000 years some will rebel against the kingdom and the King. Lucifer having been loosed from the pit will lead the rebellion which will be over thrown for the final time by Christ.
If living here on this sin cursed earth is your thing then who am I to argue against you?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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And if someone starts a post on how amillennialism is just the stupidest thing in the world, so prove it, sucker, you are still happy to give the lesson to teach all there is to know about it because that's what the posters asks?
I'm not that gullible, and I'm pretty gullible, since I did give him two books to read.
As for me, if I ask someone to teach me about how to knit, and the person gives me a couple of book suggestions, I'm likely to think that is the way the person is teaching me to knit. See? Apparently, I AM gullible!
I'm not that gullible, and I'm pretty gullible, since I did give him two books to read.
As for me, if I ask someone to teach me about how to knit, and the person gives me a couple of book suggestions, I'm likely to think that is the way the person is teaching me to knit. See? Apparently, I AM gullible!
Neither Partial nor Full Preterism are true Bible doctrines. Theopedia has an article on these two theologies, and their errors are quoted below from Theopedia:
"Preterism is a view in Christian eschatology which holds that some or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the Last Days refer to events which took place in the first century after Christ's birth, especially associated with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning past, since this view deems certain biblical prophecies as past, or already fulfilled....
Errors of Partial Preterists (other than the destruction of Jerusalem)
1. Partial Preterism, the older of the two views, holds that prophecies such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ were fulfilled circa 70 AD when the Roman general (and future Emperor) Titus sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Jewish Temple, putting a permanent stop to the daily animal sacrifices. It identifies "Babylon the great" (Revelation 17-18) with the ancient pagan City of Rome or Jerusalem.
2. Most Partial Preterists also believe the term Last Days refers not to the last days of planet Earth or the last days of humankind, but rather to the last days of the Mosaic covenant which God had exclusively with national Israel until the year AD 70....
3. Partial preterists hold that the New Testament predicts and depicts many "comings" of Christ. They contend that the phrase Second Coming means second of a like kind in a series, for the Scriptures record other "comings" even before the judgment-coming in 70 AD.
4. Partial Preterists believe that the new creation comes in redemptive progression as Christ reigns from His heavenly throne, subjugating His enemies, and will eventually culminate in the destruction of physical death, the "last enemy" (1 Cor 15:20-24).
5. Nearly all Partial Preterists hold toamillennialism or postmillennialism.
6. Many postmillennial Partial Preterists are also theonomists in their outlook.
Errors of Full Preterism
1. Full Preterism differs from Partial Preterism in that it sees all prophecy fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming or Parousia...
2. Full Preterism holds that Jesus' Second Coming is to be viewed not as a future-to-us bodily return, but rather a "return" manifested by the physical destruction of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70 by foreign armies in a manner similar to various Old Testament descriptions of God coming to destroy other nations in righteous judgment.
3. Full Preterism also holds that the Resurrection of the dead did not entail the raising of the physical body, but rather the resurrection of the soul from the "place of the dead," known as Sheol (Hebrew) or Hades (Greek).
4. Some Full Preterists believe this judgment is ongoing and takes effect upon the death of each individual (Heb. 9:27).
5. The New Heavens and the New Earth are also equated with the fulfillment of the Law in AD 70 and are to be viewed in the same manner by which a Christian is considered a "new creation" upon his or her conversion.
6. Critics of full preterism point to the Apostle Paul's condemnation of the doctrine of Hymaneus and Philetus (2 Tim 2:17-18), which they regard as analogous to full preterism."
"Preterism is a view in Christian eschatology which holds that some or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the Last Days refer to events which took place in the first century after Christ's birth, especially associated with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning past, since this view deems certain biblical prophecies as past, or already fulfilled....
Errors of Partial Preterists (other than the destruction of Jerusalem)
1. Partial Preterism, the older of the two views, holds that prophecies such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ were fulfilled circa 70 AD when the Roman general (and future Emperor) Titus sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Jewish Temple, putting a permanent stop to the daily animal sacrifices. It identifies "Babylon the great" (Revelation 17-18) with the ancient pagan City of Rome or Jerusalem.
2. Most Partial Preterists also believe the term Last Days refers not to the last days of planet Earth or the last days of humankind, but rather to the last days of the Mosaic covenant which God had exclusively with national Israel until the year AD 70....
3. Partial preterists hold that the New Testament predicts and depicts many "comings" of Christ. They contend that the phrase Second Coming means second of a like kind in a series, for the Scriptures record other "comings" even before the judgment-coming in 70 AD.
4. Partial Preterists believe that the new creation comes in redemptive progression as Christ reigns from His heavenly throne, subjugating His enemies, and will eventually culminate in the destruction of physical death, the "last enemy" (1 Cor 15:20-24).
5. Nearly all Partial Preterists hold toamillennialism or postmillennialism.
6. Many postmillennial Partial Preterists are also theonomists in their outlook.
Errors of Full Preterism
1. Full Preterism differs from Partial Preterism in that it sees all prophecy fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming or Parousia...
2. Full Preterism holds that Jesus' Second Coming is to be viewed not as a future-to-us bodily return, but rather a "return" manifested by the physical destruction of Jerusalem and her Temple in AD 70 by foreign armies in a manner similar to various Old Testament descriptions of God coming to destroy other nations in righteous judgment.
3. Full Preterism also holds that the Resurrection of the dead did not entail the raising of the physical body, but rather the resurrection of the soul from the "place of the dead," known as Sheol (Hebrew) or Hades (Greek).
4. Some Full Preterists believe this judgment is ongoing and takes effect upon the death of each individual (Heb. 9:27).
5. The New Heavens and the New Earth are also equated with the fulfillment of the Law in AD 70 and are to be viewed in the same manner by which a Christian is considered a "new creation" upon his or her conversion.
6. Critics of full preterism point to the Apostle Paul's condemnation of the doctrine of Hymaneus and Philetus (2 Tim 2:17-18), which they regard as analogous to full preterism."
You seem a complete fraud Angela. You approve WT's disgusting little post aimed at me, (and yes, I do take offense at this kind of perverted vindictive attack), and then ask me if I want more of your thoughts. No, I don't deal with double-minded people, and nor does Jesus. Sorry love. Go back to your theological ivory tower and leave Christians alone.
I think it all boils down to how ppl view Revelation 4:1. The dispensationialists say this was a picture of the church being raptured and the great tribulation beginning. As Ladd said in 'The Blessed Hope', this is just inference at best. There is no passage that clearly says the church is raptured before the great tribulation. Our blessed hope is in His second coming not being raptured before the great tribulation. Its not clearly said His coming in the cloud in 1 Thess. 4 or 1 Cor. 15 that this is a pre-trib rapture.
This teaching gained its footing starting circa 1830's when a teenage girl, last name MacDonald, said she had a dream that the Christ came back twice. Darby and the Plymouth Brethern took this and ran with it, and we now have a pre-trib rapture.
This teaching gained its footing starting circa 1830's when a teenage girl, last name MacDonald, said she had a dream that the Christ came back twice. Darby and the Plymouth Brethern took this and ran with it, and we now have a pre-trib rapture.
That is an astounding statement from a Christian!
What it means essentially is that the BLESSED HOPE which God has given to His children is something to be feared. That the CATCHING UP of His Bride by the Divine Bridegroom is something to be feared. That THE RESURRECTION, THE GLORIFICATION, THE TRANSFORMATION, AND THE TRANSLATION of all the saints to Heaven is something to be feared. You should really go back to the Bible and start studying BIBLE DOCTRINE seriously. Take a sabbatical if you have to.
What it means essentially is that the BLESSED HOPE which God has given to His children is something to be feared. That the CATCHING UP of His Bride by the Divine Bridegroom is something to be feared. That THE RESURRECTION, THE GLORIFICATION, THE TRANSFORMATION, AND THE TRANSLATION of all the saints to Heaven is something to be feared. You should really go back to the Bible and start studying BIBLE DOCTRINE seriously. Take a sabbatical if you have to.
