Not By Works

[loveme1]

With an honest heart I can say that I myself is guilty as charged, yet I can't speak on behalf of anyone else.

I have not called you out because I am friends with others. In fact there are others that I don't agree with doctrinally at times yet at times I have agreed with them and those that I agree with at times I have disagreed.

I myself have been mocked and closed a great gracer, into easy believism but if you were to go back and read my posts that is so far from the truth.

Trust me I am not picking on you I am trying to engage, not to out you and humiliate you.
Its just that I don't fully understand what you are saying at times and where you are coming from.

Please trust me humiliation is not goal but love is.

If you feel I not done this with you then I ask you forgive me and hopefully we can walk together chewing the cud.

Billg I mind not the humiliation.. I just don't like the hypocrisy.. you spoke on behalf of yourself but have drawn friends in to conversation up above.. I am free to share my beliefs and will do So as long as GOD permits...

I seek nothing for myself but I can not deny the Force within and whatever I get I accept but many are afraid to come here because of the bullying... it is like a pack of wolves at times... I fear GOD not men but I will speak out against the falsehood and bullying that happens.

 

[BillG]

I commend you for offering apologies for possibly unintentionally offending a person. You'd be surprised how many people on here show pride & contempt for others with no remorse.

I think we all do it brother.
Problem is for me anyway is that all we see here are words and not know the person.

Me thinks it would be different if we knew the person.

 

[PrynceNY]

Do you include yourself?

Nah just you & others. Unlike some i can agree to disagree with someones perspective & move on without slander or false perceptions

 

[preacher4truth]

You'd be surprised how many people on here show pride & contempt for others with no remorse.

Romans 2:1

 

[loveme1]

BillG we may not be friends but thank you for being open. You are a reasonable man.

 

[BillG]

BillG we may not be friends but thank you for being open. You are a reasonable man.

Ok I will say and I hope you accept this.
You are my sister in Jesus and I am your brother in Jesus.

I have 4 kids. They are brothers and sisters yet not always friends, yet they are learning to be.

Pleae be assured I am not against you.

 

[Magenta]

I just don't like the hypocrisy.

We care not for yours, either.

I am free to share my beliefs and will do So as long as GOD permits...

So are we

I will speak out against the falsehood

As do we

 

[loveme1]

Ok I will say and I hope you accept this.
You are my sister in Jesus and I am your brother in Jesus.

I have 4 kids. They are brothers and sisters yet not always friends, yet they are learning to be.

Pleae be assured I am not against you.

May the Truth unite us for His Glory.

 

[Grace777x70]

To some people - Christians that do not observe the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament but instead see Christ Himself as our true Sabbath rest - these are "heretics" to those that do believe in following the Old Testament way.

To say that we of ourselves don't have the capacity to love God but that we love because He first loved us. It is His love that we feed on which brings to fruit that love in us by expressing it to Him and to others.

To some this is being a "heretic" because we are relying on His love in us so that we can keep His commandments to believe in Him and to love one another.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.


We all say that "the Holy Spirit is leading us" - so that statement by itself is meaningless in it's own right.

We are all learning how to live by the life of Another inside of us and the renewing of our minds to the realities of Christ and His work on the cross and resurrection is crucial to growing up in Him.

 

[BillG]

BillG we may not be friends but thank you for being open. You are a reasonable man.

Ps can you tell my kids I'm a reasonable man

 

[loveme1]

To some people - Christians that do not observe the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament but instead see Christ Himself as our true Sabbath rest - these are "heretics" to those that do believe in following the Old Testament way.

To say that we of ourselves don't have the capacity to love God but that we love because He first loved us. It is His love that we feed on which brings to fruit that love in us by expressing it to Him and to others.

To some this is being a "heretic" because we are relying on His love in us so that we can keep His commandments to believe in Him and to love one another.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.


We all say that "the Holy Spirit is leading us" - so that statement by itself is meaningless in it's own right.

We are all learning how to live by the life of Another inside of us and the renewing of our minds to the realities of Christ and His work on the cross and resurrection is crucial to growing up in Him.

Grace, I believe we are to Keep the Commandments of God even the least because the Messiah taught us this. Now that does not change 1 John 3:23 it affirms it.

I believe the Messiah's Testimony and in my liberty while under Grace and not law I rest the Sabbath day according to the Messiah's Teaching.

im not ashamed of this.. because He loved me imfree to love Him...

Does Keeping Sabbath save? No.. because Jewish people Keep Sabbath but are under the law in unbelief...

Only Faith justifies us.

My Faith worketh love because I was loved and GOD's Grace bestowed upon me through His Son.



So if the Messiah teaches something believe Him for His words are Everlasting life.

Teaching others to reject the simplicity in Christ is not believing but denying.

He said learn of me.. because my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

 

[Magenta]

We all say that "the Holy Spirit is leading us" - so that statement by itself is meaningless in it's own right.

I don't know that I have ever asserted that, certainly not here Of course it was the Holy Spirit of God working in me that led me to repentance and belief; that I would never deny. The only thing I did after that to secure my salvation was to surrender unto Him, and accept the Truth of God's Word. I repented of my rebellion against Him and came to believe the good news. Laying down my opposition to Him was a process that took place over time with much fear and trembling, but those days are past, as I have grown in understanding of Who He is and how He works all things for good in my life. There are some who insist we must still fear God, but His perfect love has cast out fear. This does not mean that I do not reverence Him with awe and wonder to acknowledge the power of His glory and might. I boast in Him and not of myself

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't know that I have ever asserted that, certainly not here Of course it was the Holy Spirit of God working in me that led me to repentance and belief; that I would never deny. The only thing I did after that to secure my salvation was to surrender unto Him, and accept the Truth of God's Word. I repented of my rebellion against Him and came to believe the good news. Laying down my opposition to Him was a process that took place over time with much fear and trembling, but those days are past, as I have grown in understanding of Who He is and how He works all things for good in my life. There are some who insist we must still fear God, but His perfect love has cast out fear. This does not mean that I do not reverence Him with awe and wonder to acknowledge the power of His glory and might. I boast in Him and not of myself

I agree.

The reason why some say " I am led by the Holy Spirit" in asserting their doctrines is because they can't let anyone have a different view than they do and thus if they say "It is the Holy Spirit speaking" - that "legitimizes" their own personal beliefs "being from God" - so you can't have a different view - unless you are against God.

It is just the flesh which we can all get into from time to time although it may manifest differently in all of us.

 

[Desertsrose]

Here is an excellent article addressing "Just what are the commandments of Jesus?"

"If you love Me - you will keep my commandments". John 14:15

Hi Grace,

Here's a few to get you started.
1 Don't call Jesus Lord when you don't obey Him. Lk 6:46, Mt 7:21.
2 Build on the rock of obedience to Jesus otherwise you will fall. Mt 7:24-27, Lk 6:47-49.
3 Worship God alone. Mt 4:10b, Lk 4:8.
4 Follow Jesus. Mt 4:19, 11:28-30, Mk 1:17, Jn 1:43,12:26, 10:27, 21:22b.
5 Be salt and light to this world. Mt 5:13-16 Mk 9:50, Lk 11:33, 14:34. Jn 3:21.
6 Don't call your brother a fool. Mt 5:22, 12:36.
7 Practice instant reconciliation. Mt 5:24-25.
8 Do not look with lust at another this is adultery in the heart. Mt 5:27-28.
9 Do not divorce and marry another, except for fornication, this is adultery. Mt 5:32, 19:9, Mk 10:11-12.
10 Don't swear an oath. Mt 5:33-37.
11 Do more than expected, go the 2nd mile. Mt 5:38-41.
12 Give to those that ask. Mt 5:42, Lk 6:30, 38.
13 Love, bless and pray for your enemies. Mt 5:43-48, Lk 6:27-29.
14 Quietly do good for God's praise alone. Mt 6:1-4.
15 Pray, fast and give secretly. Mt 6:5-6.
16 Don't use vain repetitions when praying. Mt 6:7-8, Mk 12:40.
17 Pray to God the Father. Mt 6:9, Jn 16:23-24.
18 Don't be anxious. Mt 6:25-32, Lk 12:22-30, Jn14:1, 16:33.
19 Store your riches in heaven not on earth. Mt 6:19-21, 33, Lk 12:21, 31-34, Jn 12:25.
20 Judge righteously. Mt 7:1-5, Lk 6:37, 41-42, Jn 7:24.
21 Keep asking, seeking and knocking. Mt 6:9-11, 7:7-11, Lk 11:9-13.
22 Treat others as you like to be treated. Mt 7:12, Lk 6:31.
23 Don't waste time on argumentative people. Mt 7:6.
24 Forgive others. Mt 6:12, 14-15, 18:21, Mk 11:25-26, Lk 11:9-13.
25 Let the dead bury their dead. Mt 8:22, Lk 9:6a.
26 Don't fear people-fear God. Mt 10:28, 16:23, Lk 12:4-5.
27 Confess Christ before men. Mt 10:32-33, Mk 5:19, 8:38, Lk 9:26, 12:8-9.
28 Take up your cross. Mt 10:38-39, 16:24-26, Mk 8:34-37, Lk 9:23-26, 14:26-33.
29 Beware of hypocrisy and greed. Mt 15:6-9, 23:28, Lk 6:41-42, 12:1b, 20:46-47.
30 Privately rebuke a brother and if he repents forgive him. Mt 18:15, Lk 17:3-4.
31 Pay your taxes and give to God what is his. Mt 22:21, Mk 12:17, Lk 20:25, 21:4.
32 Love God and others. Mt 22:37-40, Mk 12:30-31, Lk 10:27, Jn 15:12, 13:34-35.
33 Keep alert and watch for the 2nd coming. Mt 24:44,46, 50-51, Mk 14:62, Lk 12:35-40, 21:27-28.
34 Honor God with all that you have been given. Mt 25:14-31, Lk 18:18.
35 Minister to others as you would to Jesus Himself. Mt 25:34-46.
36 Preach the Gospel and teach obedience. Mt 28:20, Mk 16:15, Lk 9:60b, Jn 21:15b, 16b, 17b.
37 Repent. Mk 1:15, Lk 13:3,5, Lk 15:7,10, 18-24.
38 Believe in Jesus Mk 16:16, Lk 9:35, Jn 12:36, 6:29, 20:29, 14:6.
39 Have child like faith. Mk 10:15, Lk 18:17, Mt 9:29.
40 Show mercy. Luke 10:37
41 Rejoice when you are persecuted. Lk 6:22-23.
42 Don't be distracted from hearing God's Word. Lk 10:38-42.
43 Act with compassion. Lk 10:30-37.
44 Invite the poor to eat with you. Lk 14:13-14.
45 Humble yourself & take the lowest position Lk 14:8-11, 18:13-14, Mt 23:12, 19:30.
46 You must be born again. Jn 3:3, Jn 3:5-8.
47 Live in Me and live in My love. Jn 8:31-32, Jn 15:4, 9
48 Don't covet your bother's blessing Lk 12:13-15, 15:29-30
49 Be baptized Mt 29:19, Mk 16:16
50 Strive for maturity Mt 5:48, Jn 15:14

 

[stonesoffire]

Then we have established we are not led of the same Spirit.. For only one is Holy...

the power of is undeniable and I will continue Therin by GOD's Grace.

Many likes and supportive posts will not change the Truth of the matter.

Let GOD be true and all men liars.

By your words you are justified or condemned.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't get your first sentence.
Would you mind expanding for me please.

loveme1 (a telling moniker) is implying a double standard.

 

[loveme1]

loveme1 (a telling moniker) is implying a double standard.

Preacher.. Bill and I do not need you to stir anything up between us thank you.

keep calling me names... but please don't try to drag this up after Bill and I resolved.

 

[dcontroversal]

New International Version 1984 John 14:15 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

You can post this 1000000000 times and it will not change the fact that salvation is by faith dia grace without works attached to gain, keep or facillitate salvation.....

 

[preacher4truth]

Preacher.. Bill and I do not need you to stir anything up between us thank you.

keep calling me names... but please don't try to drag this up after Bill and I resolved.

Stirring? I simply pointed out your lame, and false, accusation of double standards.

I've not called you names, but you have most certainly given many false accusations. Look, you just did it again.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi Grace,

Here's a few to get you started.
1 Don't call Jesus Lord when you don't obey Him. Lk 6:46, Mt 7:21.
2 Build on the rock of obedience to Jesus otherwise you will fall. Mt 7:24-27, Lk 6:47-49.
3 Worship God alone. Mt 4:10b, Lk 4:8.
4 Follow Jesus. Mt 4:19, 11:28-30, Mk 1:17, Jn 1:43,12:26, 10:27, 21:22b.
5 Be salt and light to this world. Mt 5:13-16 Mk 9:50, Lk 11:33, 14:34. Jn 3:21.
6 Don't call your brother a fool. Mt 5:22, 12:36.
7 Practice instant reconciliation. Mt 5:24-25.
8 Do not look with lust at another this is adultery in the heart. Mt 5:27-28.
9 Do not divorce and marry another, except for fornication, this is adultery. Mt 5:32, 19:9, Mk 10:11-12.
10 Don't swear an oath. Mt 5:33-37.
11 Do more than expected, go the 2nd mile. Mt 5:38-41.
12 Give to those that ask. Mt 5:42, Lk 6:30, 38.
13 Love, bless and pray for your enemies. Mt 5:43-48, Lk 6:27-29.
14 Quietly do good for God's praise alone. Mt 6:1-4.
15 Pray, fast and give secretly. Mt 6:5-6.
16 Don't use vain repetitions when praying. Mt 6:7-8, Mk 12:40.
17 Pray to God the Father. Mt 6:9, Jn 16:23-24.
18 Don't be anxious. Mt 6:25-32, Lk 12:22-30, Jn14:1, 16:33.
19 Store your riches in heaven not on earth. Mt 6:19-21, 33, Lk 12:21, 31-34, Jn 12:25.
20 Judge righteously. Mt 7:1-5, Lk 6:37, 41-42, Jn 7:24.
21 Keep asking, seeking and knocking. Mt 6:9-11, 7:7-11, Lk 11:9-13.
22 Treat others as you like to be treated. Mt 7:12, Lk 6:31.
23 Don't waste time on argumentative people. Mt 7:6.
24 Forgive others. Mt 6:12, 14-15, 18:21, Mk 11:25-26, Lk 11:9-13.
25 Let the dead bury their dead. Mt 8:22, Lk 9:6a.
26 Don't fear people-fear God. Mt 10:28, 16:23, Lk 12:4-5.
27 Confess Christ before men. Mt 10:32-33, Mk 5:19, 8:38, Lk 9:26, 12:8-9.
28 Take up your cross. Mt 10:38-39, 16:24-26, Mk 8:34-37, Lk 9:23-26, 14:26-33.
29 Beware of hypocrisy and greed. Mt 15:6-9, 23:28, Lk 6:41-42, 12:1b, 20:46-47.
30 Privately rebuke a brother and if he repents forgive him. Mt 18:15, Lk 17:3-4.
31 Pay your taxes and give to God what is his. Mt 22:21, Mk 12:17, Lk 20:25, 21:4.
32 Love God and others. Mt 22:37-40, Mk 12:30-31, Lk 10:27, Jn 15:12, 13:34-35.
33 Keep alert and watch for the 2nd coming. Mt 24:44,46, 50-51, Mk 14:62, Lk 12:35-40, 21:27-28.
34 Honor God with all that you have been given. Mt 25:14-31, Lk 18:18.
35 Minister to others as you would to Jesus Himself. Mt 25:34-46.
36 Preach the Gospel and teach obedience. Mt 28:20, Mk 16:15, Lk 9:60b, Jn 21:15b, 16b, 17b.
37 Repent. Mk 1:15, Lk 13:3,5, Lk 15:7,10, 18-24.
38 Believe in Jesus Mk 16:16, Lk 9:35, Jn 12:36, 6:29, 20:29, 14:6.
39 Have child like faith. Mk 10:15, Lk 18:17, Mt 9:29.
40 Show mercy. Luke 10:37
41 Rejoice when you are persecuted. Lk 6:22-23.
42 Don't be distracted from hearing God's Word. Lk 10:38-42.
43 Act with compassion. Lk 10:30-37.
44 Invite the poor to eat with you. Lk 14:13-14.
45 Humble yourself & take the lowest position Lk 14:8-11, 18:13-14, Mt 23:12, 19:30.
46 You must be born again. Jn 3:3, Jn 3:5-8.
47 Live in Me and live in My love. Jn 8:31-32, Jn 15:4, 9
48 Don't covet your bother's blessing Lk 12:13-15, 15:29-30
49 Be baptized Mt 29:19, Mk 16:16
50 Strive for maturity Mt 5:48, Jn 15:14

All good things that we will do when the life of Christ is manifesting in our lives as we depend on Him for life and living.

These are "descriptions" of His life in and through us.

But the reality is in the New Covenant the commandments of God are " to believe in Christ and to love one another."

From these 2 - all the rest of the things will come into place as His love is manifested in and through us.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.


Jesus also told a guy to "go show yourself to the priest" Doe do that today?

Jesus also told a guy that came and asked Him "What must "I do" to inherit eternal life?"

Jesus gave Him the law which exposed the fact that he broke the very first commandment and had money as his "god" even though he thought he had "kept the law" from his youth.


When people ask today about inheriting eternal life - do we say "Keep the 10 commandments?" Of course not. ( well I hope not anyway as it is NOT the gospel )

Here is what we say in the New Covenant.

Acts 16:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

The only commandments in the New Covenant are "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and love one another and we get this love from knowing His love for us in the first place.