The Early Church Fathers wrote about the Rapture

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Nehemiah6

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There are many who mistakenly claim (or promote) the false idea that the doctrine of the Pretribulation Rapture is very recent, beginning in the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century. But that is simply incorrect.

Several of the Early Church Fathers (ecclesiastical writers from the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] to 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century), generally bishops and theologians in their cities, wrote about a Pretribulation Rapture as shown below.

Jesus had taught -- before His crucifixion and resurrection – that His coming for His own would be (1) at any moment, (2) sudden, (3) unexpected, and (4) unannounced. So Christ could come for His saints even today. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh. (Matthew 24:44).

Irenaeus (130-202 AD) in Against Heresies 5.29:

“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;” (1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” (2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”


Cyprian
(200-258 AD) in Treatises of Cyprian:

“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home
[John 14:1-3], which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”

Ephraim the Syrian
(306-373 AD) in On The Last Times, II

Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? Believe you me, dearest brother, because the coming (advent) of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time..
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For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.
 

Locutus

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"of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time."

History proved ol' Ephraim wrong.....

As for these udder church "fathers" they failed to heed Jesus' statement:

Matt 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Matt 24:31 “And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 24:34 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

The "rapture" occurred after the great tribulation of the 66-70 AD war.
 

stonesoffire

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Who was caught up then Locutus?
 
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I take those quoted ECF's quotes as being from the historic-premillennialism view. They were pre-mill but not dispensational pre-mill, imo.
 

tanakh

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There are many who mistakenly claim (or promote) the false idea that the doctrine of the Pretribulation Rapture is very recent, beginning in the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century. But that is simply incorrect.

Several of the Early Church Fathers (ecclesiastical writers from the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] to 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century), generally bishops and theologians in their cities, wrote about a Pretribulation Rapture as shown below.

Jesus had taught -- before His crucifixion and resurrection – that His coming for His own would be (1) at any moment, (2) sudden, (3) unexpected, and (4) unannounced. So Christ could come for His saints even today. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh. (Matthew 24:44).

Irenaeus (130-202 AD) in Against Heresies 5.29:

“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;” (1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” (2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”


Cyprian
(200-258 AD) in Treatises of Cyprian:

“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home
[John 14:1-3], which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”

Ephraim the Syrian
(306-373 AD) in On The Last Times, II

Why therefore are we occupied with worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of worldly business, and why is our mind held fixed on the lusts of the world or on the anxieties of the ages? Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? Believe you me, dearest brother, because the coming (advent) of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time..
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For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.

The Church fathers mentioned could have it wrong. There are many more that don't mention it at all. There is no evidence of a widespread tradition within the Church of acceptance of a Pre Trib Rapture. One would have thought that such an important teaching on Christs coming would have had universal acceptance and recognition long before the 19th century.
 
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the church fathers said this and that. they werent unanimous on many things but what u quoted is proof that people need to stop using the darby garbage excuse. it doesnt refute the doctrine at all. its just parroting da same garbage lies they heard somewhere.
i never read anything from darby nor scofield. i read the bible and i cross reference it and pray and match it up. bam bam bam. no need for no darby. i came to this conclusion on my own.
da problem is if u dont have no dispensations in the bible u will make a mess out of it. the church and israel isnt the same thats the main problem with a lot of these churches. replacement theology trash. but hey if the gospel is right people can still get saved.

shall not the judge of all the earth do right? said abraham. he knew God doesnt destroy da rightous with da wicked. thats why the rapture is before the seals trumpets and vials. PERIOD END OF STORY
 

Yonah

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the church fathers were not perfect and to put so much trust in man is foolish,(psalm 118:8)
what does the scriptures actually say? do we follow the church fathers or THE Father?
 

trofimus

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"And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." Matthew 24:21 For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption."
Ireneus

This is not pretribulation rapture. Ireneus clearly says that the tribulation willbe the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, will be crowned with immortality.
So its posttribulation.
 
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"of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time."

History proved ol' Ephraim wrong.....

As for these udder church "fathers" they failed to heed Jesus' statement:

Matt 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Matt 24:31 “And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 24:34 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

The "rapture" occurred after the great tribulation of the 66-70 AD war.
I would suggest this generation as the generation of Christ compared to the generation of Adam.

The rapture as to the first resurrection appeared when Christ said it was finished.

The graves of ten thousands to represent a unknown all the saints were opened and all of the born gain members as the bride of Christ who had the Holy Spirit entered the new heavenly Jerusalem being witnessed by many angels.The time of reformation had come.

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.Mat 27:50
 

Nehemiah6

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the church fathers were not perfect and to put so much trust in man is foolish,(psalm 118:8)
what does the scriptures actually say? do we follow the church fathers or THE Father?
No one is putting their "trust" in anyone. Quotations from the ECF (Patristic Quotations) are important in that they indicate how these men interpreted Scripture. And they were not always right either. Some of them even introduced error.
 

Nehemiah6

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"And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." Matthew 24:21
This is clearly showing a "when-then" scenario. When the Church shall be suddenly caught up THEN "there shall be tribulation...". So this is not a post-tribulation Rapture at all.
 

trofimus

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This is clearly showing a "when-then" scenario. When the Church shall be suddenly caught up THEN "there shall be tribulation...". So this is not a post-tribulation Rapture at all.
Why do you ignore the very next sentence?
 

Bladerunner

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"of the Lord is nigh, believe you me, because the end of the world is at hand, believe me, because it is the very last time."

History proved ol' Ephraim wrong.....

As for these udder church "fathers" they failed to heed Jesus' statement:

Matt 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Matt 24:31 “And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 24:34 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

The "rapture" occurred after the great tribulation of the 66-70 AD war.
History does not tell us the Sun Darkened or the MOON quite shinning in those days...How about the stars that hit the earth....would we still be here? I think not....I could but it of no use to debunk every thing that is being said about the end of all prophecy and the GT in 66-70 AD.....You would not change your mind. Guess we will have to wait and see.....Good luck
 

trofimus

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This is clearly showing a "when-then" scenario. When the Church shall be suddenly caught up THEN "there shall be tribulation...". So this is not a post-tribulation Rapture at all.
5:28:4

... And for this cause tribulation is necessary for those who are saved, that having been after a manner broken up, and rendered fine, and sprinkled over by the patience of the Word of God, and set on fire [for purification], they may be fitted for the royal banquet. As a certain man of ours said, when he was condemned to the wild beasts because of his testimony with respect to God: "I am the wheat of Christ, and am ground by the teeth of the wild beasts, that I may be found the pure bread of God."
 

Nehemiah6

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There is no evidence of a widespread tradition within the Church of acceptance of a Pre Trib Rapture. One would have thought that such an important teaching on Christs coming would have had universal acceptance and recognition long before the 19th century.
True enough. But even if none of them touched on this matter, we know from the New Testament that the coming of the Lord for His saints was expected at any time.

Philippians 4:5 "The Lord is at hand" (not near in presence but in time)

2. of Time; concerning things imminent and soon to come to pass: Matthew 24:32; Matthew 26:18; Mark 13:28; Luke 21:30, 31; John 2:13; John 6:4; John 7:2;John 11:55; Revelation 1:3; Revelation 22:10; of the near advent of persons: κύριος ἐγγύς, of Christ's return from heaven, Philippians 4:5 (in another sense, of God in Psalm 144:18 (); with the addition ἐπί θύραις, at the door,


The Judge standeth before the door (James 5:9 KJV)

New American Standard Bible
Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.
b. of Time: πρό τούτων τῶν ἡμερῶν, Acts 5:36;Acts 21:38; (πρό τοῦ πάσχα, John 11:55);
 

Bladerunner

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The Church fathers mentioned could have it wrong. There are many more that don't mention it at all. There is no evidence of a widespread tradition within the Church of acceptance of a Pre Trib Rapture. One would have thought that such an important teaching on Christs coming would have had universal acceptance and recognition long before the 19th century.
There you go trying to turn words around to fit your beliefs...Nehemiah6 did not say that it was accepted. Hey, it is not accepted today. It was taught back then which ruins your notion that Darby created it. I do believe I had already told you that Darby only made it popular in the 1800's in an earlier post.

In (Nehemiah6's post #1 of this thread) he shows you how wrong you were ???????????????

If you were wrong about this then how many other things about the Bible and religion in general do you have wrong!...

I would like to add to Nehemiah's post by giving you this article. While it is not hardly as in depth as his, it shows you that, YES indeed, Pre-tribulation Rapture was taught during the time of the New Testament writings.

Pre-Trib Research Center -

Thank you Nehemiah6 for bringing this to light.

 

Bladerunner

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the church fathers were not perfect and to put so much trust in man is foolish,(psalm 118:8)
what does the scriptures actually say? do we follow the church fathers or THE Father?


That question is really up to the individual... The old saying: You can take a Horse to water but you cannot make him Drink" fits this post very well.

No I am not Knocking your post...It is very well Said? Thank YOU!

however

Many of the EARLY Church fathers were preaching what Jesus was/had telling/told them and they were a whole lot closer to Him than we are today. The question is; were/are they to be believed

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It is really up to the individual on who they FOLLOW? Jesus and His WORD and/or the Early Church Father's (prior to the beginning of the Catholic Dogma), or we follow those so-called preachers who spew forth that Man has control of his destiny, that he can achieve everything He wants because God wants him to have it..WOW........

Is this not the road taken by the Preterist movement, the Replacement Theology, the Covenant Theology, the Ultra Hyper Grace theology, and many, many other movements and theologies.

It is an individual decision of Great Importance to one's soul. I pray each one of you make the right Choice!

Yonah, thank you again for your straightforward post!

 

tanakh

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There you go trying to turn words around to fit your beliefs...Nehemiah6 did not say that it was accepted. Hey, it is not accepted today. It was taught back then which ruins your notion that Darby created it. I do believe I had already told you that Darby only made it popular in the 1800's in an earlier post.

In (Nehemiah6's post #1 of this thread) he shows you how wrong you were ???????????????

If you were wrong about this then how many other things about the Bible and religion in general do you have wrong!...

I would like to add to Nehemiah's post by giving you this article. While it is not hardly as in depth as his, it shows you that, YES indeed, Pre-tribulation Rapture was taught during the time of the New Testament writings.

Pre-Trib Research Center -

Thank you Nehemiah6 for bringing this to light.

I dont need to twist anything. Darby didnt make it popular at all. Few of his leading contempories believed in his system. It was only when Schofield latched on to it and with the help of the Moody institute and Oxford university press spread his notes around that most people had ever heard of it. Without Schofield it would have sunk without trace. Its no coincidence that it is among Evangelicals and Pentecostals in the US that so many Pre Tribbers are found.

Its up to you if you want to believe it or not.
 
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I dont need to twist anything. Darby didnt make it popular at all. Few of his leading contempories believed in his system. It was only when Schofield latched on to it and with the help of the Moody institute and Oxford university press spread his notes around that most people had ever heard of it. Without Schofield it would have sunk without trace. Its no coincidence that it is among Evangelicals and Pentecostals in the US that so many Pre Tribbers are found.

Its up to you if you want to believe it or not.
"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later." Blah, blah, blah...

Wonderful post my Brother. FYI, its Scofield...no 'h' in his name. :) :D
 

Bladerunner

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"And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be." Matthew 24:21 For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption."
Ireneus

This is not pretribulation rapture. Ireneus clearly says that the tribulation willbe the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, will be crowned with immortality.
So its posttribulation.
what can you not read...You tend to put sentences where you think they are most useful.

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The way I read it is in this order. (the way he said it): [emphasis added]

1. "when in the end [days] the Church shall be suddenly [be] caught up from this [world], [ 2Co 12:2,2Co 12:4, 1Th 4:17, Rev 12:5, ἁρπάζω harpazō ---Rapture ]

2. "There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be [ever again]." Matthew 24:21"

[Here we see Daniel's 70th week unfolding.]

3. "For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption"

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One of us is wrong, it is that obvious......I will leave it to the reader to decide.