mark of the beast

[Ahwatukee]

It is also in the past.



It wasn't a chip, but a mark

Valiant, you have to take into consideration that the prophecy regarding the mark was written at a time when there was zero technology to compare to what John was seeing 1900 hundred years into the future. John couldn't say, "And he forces all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to have a device implanted in the right hand or forehead, which will allow people to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts."

The closest word John could use to describe what he was seeing was "charagma" meaning stamp, etching, seal, impress, etc.

 

[garee]

Valiant, you have to take into consideration that the prophecy regarding the mark was written at a time when there was zero technology to compare to what John was seeing 1900 hundred years into the future. John couldn't say, "And he forces all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to have a device implanted in the right hand or forehead, which will allow people to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts."

The closest word John could use to describe what he was seeing was "charagma" meaning stamp, etching, seal, impress, etc.

It does not have anything to do with technology . It has to do with the mark of the beast of the field created from dust natural unconverted man. His number is 666 Cain had that mark . God looked to Abel with grace he had no mercy on the marked man Cain. His mark is resistless wanderer not have the rest of Sabbath, Christ.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is "Six hundred threescore and six."

Satan is not assigned a number to be used in parables.

We walk by faith and not by sight. Its the outward-Jew that require a sign before they will believe. The evil generation who does seek after signs.

 

[Alertandawake]

The closest word John could use to describe what he was seeing was "charagma" meaning stamp, etching, seal, impress, etc.

This is correct, if you look up Strong's G5480 "charagma", this will explain better.

Question is what did John actually see? The technology we have to today, can easily eliminate the need to physical cash.

Now with more and more robots replacing people in the workforce today, meaning more and more people will be out of jobs, how can people even get a income? Now there is from my research, in some places, plans to start a Universal basic Income trial.

What I find also more interesting is some places is that there are places that are starting to mandate vaccinations, which is alarming.

What is to say down the track, that if people need a Universal Basic Income of some kind to interact with society, part of that requirement is that a person needs to be vaccinated? Lets look at the technology involved of what we got today, nanotech, dna altering, implantable microchips, tranhshumanism.

 

[Alertandawake]

I want to add something further to this, and it is something very interesting, its the English Gematria Calculator. If one types in computer and vaccination, it adds up to 666. That is very interesting. Worth checking out.

 

[Ahwatukee]

This is correct, if you look up Strong's G5480 "charagma", this will explain better.

Question is what did John actually see? The technology we have to today, can easily eliminate the need to physical cash.

Now with more and more robots replacing people in the workforce today, meaning more and more people will be out of jobs, how can people even get a income? Now there is from my research, in some places, plans to start a Universal basic Income trial.

What I find also more interesting is some places is that there are places that are starting to mandate vaccinations, which is alarming.

What is to say down the track, that if people need a Universal Basic Income of some kind to interact with society, part of that requirement is that a person needs to be vaccinated? Lets look at the technology involved of what we got today, nanotech, dna altering, implantable microchips, tranhshumanism.

Greetings alertandawake,

I've already looked up the "charagma" many, many times, which is why I listed it in the scripture above. Below is the technology that will evolve into the mark of the beast:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Company to install microchips in employees

 

[Locutus]

So far I've only seen the "Spark" of the Least...

 

[Alertandawake]

Greetings alertandawake,

I've already looked up the "charagma" many, many times, which is why I listed it in the scripture above. Below is the technology that will evolve into the mark of the beast:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Company to install microchips in employees

Hey Ahwatukee

Yeah I heard about that Wisconsin company with the chip implants.

THing is, the only kind of technology that can really enslave the human race so they have no privacy and are always monitored is through the use of computer related technology.

What is so more amazing is that people actually want this technology. That many seem to think it is cool.

They cannot even see the dangers of such a technology, of what the implications are.

And with technologies such as brain computer interface, one really needs to start wondering where we are headed.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hey Ahwatukee

Yeah I heard about that Wisconsin company with the chip implants.

THing is, the only kind of technology that can really enslave the human race so they have no privacy and are always monitored is through the use of computer related technology.

What is so more amazing is that people actually want this technology. That many seem to think it is cool.

They cannot even see the dangers of such a technology, of what the implications are.

And with technologies such as brain computer interface, one really needs to start wondering where we are headed.

Hello,

Yeah, I was drawn to end-time events and the book of Revelation pretty much from the time that I started reading the word of God. When I saw the first ATM's come out I knew that this technology was relevant. Then came the UPC and POS system, with the Veripone devices and all of the other apps that allow people to perform electronic crediting and debiting. The system that the mark of the beast will run on has been evolving right under the worlds noses.

Currently, people are making purchases by swiping their cards or using their cell phone bank apps to do the same transaction. People in Sweden began being implanted in 2014 and they are pretty much cashless now, along with their sister countries. Now we have this company in Wisconsin using the same technology and once that begins, it will make its way into the Expos and seminars, (if they haven't already) and this technology will begin to spread like wild fire, so that it will be showing up in every business. Soon we will begin to see people making their electronic purchases by the scanning of their hand. I'm sure that has time goes on, this device will evolve into something more applicable and less painful. What will remain consistent is that it will be applied or implanted on the hand or the forehead.

It's just a matter of God's timing now, for as we begin to see more and more people receiving this implant, it brings us closer to the blessed hope, the appearing of our Lord to gather His church, which must take place prior to the revealing of the antichrist and the mark becoming the only means of buying and selling. In order for that to happen, all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete so that the mark will be the only way to perform electronic buying and selling (crediting and debiting).

We are beyond any doubt that last generation who will see the resurrection and the living in Christ being changed and caught up. Following that, the wrath of God comes via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

Thanks be to God that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath! (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10)

 

[EJS1023]

Or Islam, what happened in the Roman persecutions under Nero, and the following emperors for nearly 350 years, could be a similitude of what's happening now days given that just last year Fox News and several other credible news sources reported 90,000 Christian martyrs around the world. And Islamic jihadists are the most powerful driving force behind it. Also there's been a mosque built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem since the 7th century, that has several inscriptions stating God certainly has no Son" it's also forbidden to take a bible on to the mound. Seems pretty anti Christ to me

My view is 666 is the religion of Islam. I have read on the internet bismillah in Arabic is very close to the 3 Greek letters used for 666. Also understand that the koran plus Muhammad are closely related to the number 666.

 

[garee]

I would offer Christians are to walk by faith (the unseen) not by sight after the three avenues of the father of lies. (the things of this world.)

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The mark of the beast, natural unconverted man, is 666. It is the number of man .They are marked as restless wanderers not resting in the finished work of Christ, like Cain who slew Abel

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


They are identified as those who sell the gospel of faith in exchange for a signs and wonder gospel .Christians are to buy the truth of the gospel not sell it. The buying and selling is in respect to spiritual truth found in the scriptures not groceries or gas .

They seek after outward signs before they will believe. Christ called them an evil generation (natural unconverted man) .There are no sign that we are required to seek after that are given. Christ will come as a thief in the night.

Luk 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

The sign of Jonas was fulfilled over two thousand years ago.

 

[Atlanta_GA]

you may want to look at the year of the Quran and the man behind it.

 

[FlSnookman7]

I am pretty sure it is a new england patriots hat.....JOKING!!! GO PHINS!!

 

[Alertandawake]

With the forehead region, lately I been reading up on some of the technology involved with the concept of selective memory erasing. This technology sounds extremely bad. Without bad memories, how can people learn from their mistakes? It is worthwhile reading up on this type of technology. What can be the true potential of such a technology? Or to put another way, the real motive for such a technology?

 

[Ahwatukee]

With the forehead region, lately I been reading up on some of the technology involved with the concept of selective memory erasing. This technology sounds extremely bad. Without bad memories, how can people learn from their mistakes? It is worthwhile reading up on this type of technology. What can be the true potential of such a technology? Or to put another way, the real motive for such a technology?

Hey Alertandawake,

Though scripture doesn't give any more detail regarding the forehead, it appears to be just another location for the implant or impress of that mark/device. In keeping with what scripture says, the mark will be for the purpose of buying and selling, which in perspective is crediting and debiting of ones bank account. The placement of the forehead could be an alternative for those without upper limbs or it could have to do with a greater show of devotion to the beast during that time. As I said there is just not enough information. However, I do not believe that the mark will have anything to do with memory erasing, but will replace current card swiping and cell phone bank apps as a way of performing electronic crediting and debiting.

The scripture states that "He" (the false prophet) will force/cause/require, depending on which translation you read, to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead. I believe that the way in which he will "force" people to receive that mark will be by making all other forms of buying and selling invalid/obsolete, leaving only the mark as a way of crediting and debiting ones bank account. By doing this, people would be faced with the personal decision of receiving the mark in order to continue to do any kind of electronic crediting and debiting, such as buying food, paying their bills, gas, etc., in order to continue living their lives or to reject it because they know what the consequences are for those who receive it. For those who reject it, they would no longer be able to be apart of the system and make a living because they would have no access to their bank accounts, since cash, check, cards and cell phone apps and every other method would no longer be valid.

Needless to say, the only people who will be rejecting the mark will be those who receive Christ during that last seven years, which will be the great tribulation saints. In opposition, according to the third angel in Revelation 14, those who receive it will be doomed.

 

[Alertandawake]

With the forehead region, I been reading up lately, the different technologies and so on. We look at today, seem to be headed towards a society where people cannot even be aloud to think for themselves.

But anyways, back to the device implantation, I recall some time ago a article I read which is quite interesting, the article I was reading indicated that of all the places in the human body, the best place to implant a battery powered device is either the right hand or the forehead. That itself is quite interesting. Because when one reads the scripture concerned, there has to be something that the right hand shares in common with the forehead.

How will such a requirement be mandated for the people? What event can result in this requirement? Regardless, the technology and means to bring this about is already here, it is just a question of when.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hey again!

there has to be something that the right hand shares in common with the forehead.

Regarding the mark going in the right hand, I believe that it is Satan's jab at God, because the "right hand" is Gods' place of honor. It appears throughout scripture such as, the Lord ascending to the right hand of the Father, the seven stars being held in the Lord's right hand, regarding the sheep and the goats, the sheep are placed at his right hand, etc.

 

[MattforJesus]

Hey again!
Regarding the mark going in the right hand, I believe that it is Satan's jab at God, because the "right hand" is Gods' place of honor. It appears throughout scripture such as, the Lord ascending to the right hand of the Father, the seven stars being held in the Lord's right hand, regarding the sheep and the goats, the sheep are placed at his right hand, etc.

Psa 16:8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Psa 109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.

Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved.

That is true,for God's right hand represents authority,which God is at the right hand of the saints,for He is their authority,and protector.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

The forehead represents God's authority of the saints.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

It would appear as if the mark being put in the right hand,or forehead,is that the beast is their authority,for if they do not have a right hand,they sure have a forehead,but I do not know if it is a decision they have,or it is right hand first,and if they do not have a right hand,then forehead.

When they receive the mark in their right hand,or forehead,they are giving their authority to the beast,and it seals them,and they cannot repent of it afterwards,and salvation cannot be given to them,so it is the end,and God can then put the world down,for repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,for it cannot be reversed to have God as their authority,for they gave the beast the place of authority.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Psa 16:8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Psa 109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.

Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved.

That is true,for God's right hand represents authority,which God is at the right hand of the saints,for He is their authority,and protector.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

The forehead represents God's authority of the saints.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

It would appear as if the mark being put in the right hand,or forehead,is that the beast is their authority,for if they do not have a right hand,they sure have a forehead,but I do not know if it is a decision they have,or it is right hand first,and if they do not have a right hand,then forehead.

When they receive the mark in their right hand,or forehead,they are giving their authority to the beast,and it seals them,and they cannot repent of it afterwards,and salvation cannot be given to them,so it is the end,and God can then put the world down,for repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,for it cannot be reversed to have God as their authority,for they gave the beast the place of authority.

Thank you for your reply. Yes, I am aware and agree with all that you have written. However, in addition to the receiving of the mark of the beast as aligning themselves with the beast, my mention of it going in the right hand is a jab at God, for the right hand is the place of honor and the beast will used the right hand to ridicule God. Satan is always the counterfeit!

There is just not enough information to know what the purpose of the mark going on/in the forehead. However, what I wrote regarding a those having no upper limbs or as a greater show of worship, are possibilities. I suppose that who are present at the time will know the answer. In the meant time, we should soon be seeing people making purchases with that RFID chip, which I'm sure will evolve into something more applicable.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

The seal above which the 144,000 are sealed with, is of course a different seal than those who receive the mark in their right hand or forehead.

 

[MattforJesus]

Thank you for your reply. Yes, I am aware and agree with all that you have written. However, in addition to the receiving of the mark of the beast as aligning themselves with the beast, my mention of it going in the right hand is a jab at God, for the right hand is the place of honor and the beast will used the right hand to ridicule God. Satan is always the counterfeit!

It would be a jab at God,the same way as it will be an international law that a man and a woman cannot marry,and they would have to be homosexual if they want sex,and he acknowledges no god,but the God of forces,or the power of nature as his God.

When the devils are cast to earth,Satan is mad for he knows his time is short,and he will pervert,deceive,create chaos,wreck havoc,by peace shall destroy many,blaspheme against God,and His tabernacle,and all that dwell in heaven,and try to cause as many people as possible to be doomed spiritually,and if not spiritually,then physically,for Satan will control the man of sin to do that.

He will be against all that God stands for,and will get the worship of the people that is supposed to be for God,but since Satan knows his time is short,and God will put an end to his tyranny,and ways,he will not keep wanting worship for he knows he cannot have it but only for so long,so he will try to destroy as many people as possible,spiritually,and physically,the whole human race that is on earth if he can.

 

[garee]

Hey again!



Regarding the mark going in the right hand, I believe that it is Satan's jab at God, because the "right hand" is Gods' place of honor. It appears throughout scripture such as, the Lord ascending to the right hand of the Father, the seven stars being held in the Lord's right hand, regarding the sheep and the goats, the sheep are placed at his right hand, etc.

The mark of the beast (666) is as defined by the scriptures....it still is the number of natural unconverted man (seen ).

Abel is the first member recorded as a member of the bride of Christ the church. We do not serve two gospels, two wives, one for the the outward non converted Jew marked by 666. and one for the the unconverted Gentile marked by 666.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Cain the restless wanderer is marked with the number 666. Abel blood as a member of the body of Christ, His wife the church cries out from the ground just as any saint who has had their sin atoned for..

If you are looking for a outward Jew in respect to flesh and blood to profit for something .You will not. Its never about the flesh and blood used in a one time demonstration of a spiritual work not seen. which has been finished from the foundation of the world. We walk by the unseen, called faith.