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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell.
The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us.


ANY THOUGHTS?
 

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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell.
The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us.


ANY THOUGHTS?
Aw man. This is too deep for a Thursday! LOL

So we can procreate in Hades?
 

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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell. The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us. ANY THOUGHTS?
There's no doubt that for many it is "Hell on earth". But what you are suggesting is completely incorrect. Indeed bizarre. Sheol/Hades is "in the heart of the earth" (the lower parts of the earth, the netherworld). And Hell (the Lake of Fire) is in "outer darkness" and unoccupied at the moment. The important question is not whether we are in Hell on earth, but whether we have been saved from eternal Hell.
 

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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell.
The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us.


ANY THOUGHTS?
No, we are not in hell right now. One can say that figuratively etc, but not theologicaly.

What verses do you have in mind when you believe we are?
 
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The Great Tribulation will be the closest thing to Hell on earth. We are not at that point yet.
 

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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell.
The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us.

ANY THOUGHTS?
The word hell used in Scriptures is a translation from at least four different words in the original languages. It generally means the place for those who have passed from this world to await the resurrection and judgment of all. The Lake of Fire is something else entirely. It is the final destination of those who have their names blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, for Jesus holds the keys to life and death, and He is the only way to be reconciled to God, through faith in the shedding of His righteous blood as a propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the world.
 
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Hell is separation from God. We are clearly not separated from God currently. There is no salvation from hell once someone is there.
Why do we have no recollection of our judgment?
 

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The Great Tribulation will be the closest thing to Hell on earth. We are not at that point yet.
I suspect that you haven't been in a bad marriage.
 
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The bible says that Jesus went to Hades or the place of the dead.

It also says he was ransomed for us, which means in exchange for Gods people he was given. In other words God gave his son so he can get us.

But the sacrifice was it given when Jesus died cause I use to think so but now I'm thinking the sacrifice was made when he came to earth. It wasn't upon his death that he was given for ransom it was his birth.
 
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hell/Hades/Sheol/place of the dead is where the "sinners" were/are... He was sent only unto the lost sheep of the house of the Israel/the place of the dead/spiritually dead.... Sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law... The Israelites were all party to theMosaic Law... keep this in mind, the wages of sin is death... anyone that believes they and or others are sinners, is dead/spiritually dead

Keep this scripture in mind also...Luke 9:60-62 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Jesus came to die so that we could have life, so that we could rise from the dead, so that we could rise from the world of sin.... We can thank the Jews/Israelites for rejecting Jesus as their Messiah, because when they did this, we Gentiles, were given the opportunity to be removed from the "world" of the dead/spiritually dead, and placed into the Kingdom of God/those living their life now In Christ/spiritually alive...
 
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Rev. 20:12
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


HADES GAVE UP THE DEAD THAT WERE IN THEM
 
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So a short review of what I am saying:

Jesus had to go to hell aka earth to rescue/save a few of its occupants. He literally snatches us from the fire. That's why it is written that he is the only way to God he is the gate. The gate that releases us from hell. He had to die an innocent man so he could be redeemed and when he was redeemed we were allowed to escape through him. When he died his work here on earth was finally done . He accomplished what he came to do, the narrow gate was opened
 

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So a short review of what I am saying:

Jesus had to go to hell aka earth to rescue/save a few of its occupants. He literally snatches us from the fire. That's why it is written that he is the only way to God he is the gate. The gate that releases us from hell. He had to die an innocent man so he could be redeemed and when he was redeemed we were allowed to escape through him. When he died his work here on earth was finally done . He accomplished what he came to do, the narrow gate was opened
Hi gdyLoves nice to meet you; I agree with you that Jesus died an innocent man. What I'm not understanding is the second part of your statement where you say that; "so he could be redeemed" I reckon you are referring to Ephesians4:7-9. Where Jesus descended into the lower, earthy regions; I just do not recall any scriptures that say's; Jesus could be redeemed and that "we were allowed to escape through Him." Where does it say this in the bible, I'm not being critical about your words I would just like further proof that, Jesus needed to be redeemed.

7) But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.
8) This is why it says:“When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
9) (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions
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He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

Thank you and God bless
 

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The word hell used in Scriptures is a translation from at least four different words in the original languages. It generally means the place for those who have passed from this world to await the resurrection and judgment of all. The Lake of Fire is something else entirely. It is the final destination of those who have their names blotted out of the Lamb's book of life, for Jesus holds the keys to life and death, and He is the only way to be reconciled to God, through faith in the shedding of His righteous blood as a propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the world.
i agree


Hell in the new testament
G1067 γέεννα – geenna (x12)
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
G86 ᾅδης - hadēs (x11)
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
G5020 ταρταρόω - tartaroō (x1)
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

Many say it is a place where you are consciously burning in torment for ever and ever but that isn’t what I understand. I don’t believe the unsaved will have immortality and live forever. And I don’t see justice in burning forever for one lifetime of sin. It makes sense if you understand the eternal aspect as being dead for ever suffering in death forever and ever. Everlasting effect, everlasting death, everlasting separation from God.
 

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Does anyone here believe that we are already in Sheol/Hades/Hell.
The way I see it is that we were already dead and in "Hell" when Jesus came to Sheol to save us.


ANY THOUGHTS?
Well, I'm sure that he rich man of Lazarus fame wished that the surface of the earth was figurative for Sheol/Hades. For then he wouldn't have been in torment in flame all this time.

The scriptures reveal that Sheol/Hades is down under the earth. Below is Strong's definition of Sheol/Hades and its characteristics:

Characteristics of:
• Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

• Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

• Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

• Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

• Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

• A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

• Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14

Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death) Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.

Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:

hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.
 

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Well, I'm sure that he rich man of Lazarus fame wished that the surface of the earth was figurative for Sheol/Hades. For then he wouldn't have been in torment in flame all this time.

The scriptures reveal that Sheol/Hades is down under the earth. Below is Strong's definition of Sheol/Hades and its characteristics:

Characteristics of:
• Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

• Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

• Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

• Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

• Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

• A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

• Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14

Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death) Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.

Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:

hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.
Are you saying that God will keep people alive (in spirit), to suffer for eternity?
 

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Are there people in Hell today?
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

The Bible says that God reserves, or holds back, the wicked until the day of judgment to be punished.

When will sinners be cast into hellfire?

"So shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire." Matt 13:40-42
"The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48
Sinners will be cast into hellfire at the great judgment day at the end of the world--not when they die.
 

Jackson123

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About 2 weeks ago I have met a nice lady, she lost her job and look sad. I told her the reason why I am Christian. I said I don't go to hell. She reply, are we not in hell now?

she believe we are in hell