Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

He saved me by His kindness, through faith.
I'm going to continue to run my race of faith with the faith He gave me and that He continues to grow.
You can run your race without it if you want, in order to prove your doctrine.

lol, this is funny, who said I can run a race without faith? Come now, why would you even think this?

Of course, that sounds silly to you. It does to me also.

no, it it does not sound silly, it sounds like you misunderstand what I am saying, or are just confused,

But you're never going to get a man who believes that he has to keep believing to the end to then start believing he doesn't have to believe to the end. But you could try for a few more years and see if it happens.

This faith matter is not small. There are a lot of struggles He brings us through to grow it.

wI would not say either how long have you known me and you continue with his stuff?

a person who has true faith will never stop having faith, you do not stop having faith in people who never fail you.

Did you read read what I wrote this afternoon about what my faith is in?

 

[PHart]

I heard someone use this example: If you cheat on your wife, but then stop doing it, your wife is not obligated to forgive you, but can show mercy.
And they say, you repent and then God forgives because of His grace and mercy. But repentance is required to obtain that mercy.
Its tricky to say if it is works or not Tough stuff this is.

Are you talking about sinning, or outright unbelief?

God does not allow a person to come back to repentance from unbelief. But the believer is always welcome to repent of his sin. It's when he crosses into contemptuous unbelief that he can't come back. God won't allow it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sin can only damn the person who does not believe in Christ to wipe away that sin.

I see it this way,

Sin can only damn a person who never repented and come through true faith,

a person who has true faith given him by god does not lose faith, god is the author and finisher of our faith, he never fails us, if you think you can lose faith, I must question if you ever trusted god, or refuse to think he will finish what he started.

 

[Bogadile]

God does not allow a person to come back to repentance from unbelief.

Got a verse for that? Is it going to be Hebrews 10:26?

 

[preacher4truth]

Phart, I leave you with a song and reminder as we head to watch football.

Please, don't stop believing, your soul will be in jeopardy if you don't keep working hard to make sure you believe. Jesus is powerless to save you unless you do this (according to your gospel).

Anyhow:

[video=youtube;1k8craCGpgs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs[/video]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If Christ has you, nothing can snatch you from His hand I trust His promises.

i guess Nothing does not include you, which means nothing does not mean noting, like eternal does not mean forever,

yet we are told they trust the Bible? Can you or anyone explain how that is true?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah, I think so. Paul says to us gentiles to not be arrogant but fear, for he'll cut us out, too, if we don't continue to stand fast in our faith by which we stand.

Us, as a group, not individuals, just like he cut off Israel, as a group,

yet many jews are still saved and have been for years.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I heard someone use this example: If you cheat on your wife, but then stop doing it, your wife is not obligated to forgive you, but can show mercy.
And they say, you repent and then God forgives because of His grace and mercy. But repentance is required to obtain that mercy.
Its tricky to say if it is works or not Tough stuff this is.

We are all sinners, how can we be saved from the penalty of sin unless we repent and admit first we are sinners and need Gods grace?

 

[PHart]

If Christ has you, nothing can snatch you from His hand I trust His promises.

Yes, you "trust His promises". You are continuing in the believing you started on the day you first believed. Therefore, you are safe and secure in Christ's hand where nothing can snatch you out. Stop trusting in His promises and you will no longer be protected by God's power for the Day of Salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is untrue as well. The person is already damned in sin prior to belief in Christ.

Amen, he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY because he has not believed, not because he stopped believing,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Phart, I leave you with a song and reminder as we head to watch football.

Please, don't stop believing, your soul will be in jeopardy if you don't keep working hard to make sure you believe. Jesus is powerless to save you unless you do this (according to your gospel).

Anyhow:

[video=youtube;1k8craCGpgs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs[/video]

OH...

game is almost ready to start!

 

[Bogadile]

We are all sinners, how can we be saved from the penalty of sin unless we repent and admit first we are sinners and need Gods grace?

This is the problem with the word repentance.
To some it means change of mind, to some it means admitting your a sinner and feeling sorry, to some it means turning from sin.
I wish there was a better word for it in english. In finnish we do not have this problem, we have different words for these meanings.

What is the world's excuse for not learning a worldwide global language like Finnish?

 

[PHart]

Us, as a group, not individuals, just like he cut off Israel, as a group,

yet many jews are still saved and have been for years.

Yes, I should be fearing for all us gentiles as a group, lol.

But at least you agree that real believers can stop believing (read the passage).

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

lol, this is funny, who said I can run a race without faith? Come now, why would you even think this?

no, it it does not sound silly, it sounds like you misunderstand what I am saying, or are just confused,




wI would not say either how long have you known me and you continue with his stuff?

a person who has true faith will never stop having faith, you do not stop having faith in people who never fail you.

Did you read read what I wrote this afternoon about what my faith is in?

It's happening again because a man is here exhorting us to keep believing and you think he is preaching works.

 

[PHart]

Amen, he who does not believe is condemned ALREADY because he has not believed, not because he stopped believing,

Hmm....here we go again with this concept of 'never' that doesn't appear in the text and can only be seen with special OSAS glasses.

 

[Bogadile]

OH...

game is almost ready to start!

My favorite American football team is the New Orleans Saints.

 

[PHart]

OH...

game is almost ready to start!

Yes, let's play it again. Perhaps I should post the verses of scripture again that go with that song. But you'll have to take your OSAS glasses off to see them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm....here we go again with this concept of 'never' that doesn't appear in the text and can only be seen with special OSAS glasses.

he says already condemned, (perfect tense)because of unbelief,

your the one hat said it means fell back into condemnation, not me,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I should be fearing for all us gentiles as a group, lol.

But at least you agree that real believers can stop believing (read the passage).

he Not taking about Induviduals, please stop!

Romans 11 is about Israel as a group, and gentiles as a group, god took it away from Israel and gave it to the gentiles.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's happening again because a man is here exhorting us to keep believing and you think he is preaching works.

A man man is saying one can lose salvation, thus he determines salvation to be a reward not a gift,

so yes, I just determine what I see

and you are still showing you do not understand my view, so please, stop yelling at me, when your doing the very thing your claiming I am doing,

eiher agree to disagree, show you understand what I am saying or are willing to try to understand, or please stop.