How does Faith ESTABLISH the law? Rom.3:31

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unobtrusive

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Mostly because *you still aren't getting it.

The Law requires those things, judgment mercy and faith, but *it doesn't give them. So then how does a Christian get these things?

Romans 7:4-6
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
So the law is requiring faith but don't give it. Ain't that what I said in a previous post? this one *I got it. You didn't get what I got. LOL

As I mentioned previously. I'll say it a little different. The law exposes the benefits (blessings) of faith.*The law doesn't give us faith, it is a gift of the Holy Spirit of God Almighty through Christ Jesus.

"And all these
blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God." (Deuteronomy 28:2)

We should all have faith in the Word of God as being totally true, and then we will be blessed accordingly. I'm NOT advocating works without faith, I'm advocating works by faith. "
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (James 2:17) If we have dead works we also have dead faith.

It's a weighty matter that is in the law that Jesus Himself defined to the Pharisees. They are not separate accordingly. Jesus is actually the One who clarified the relationship between the law and faith. Didn't He?

"and have omitted the
weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: (Matthew 23:23)

Jesus put it together the right way. Why would we want to try to explain it different than our Saviour did?

 
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Do not kill is a law. If we have faith in Jesus, we do the will of the Father, and not kill.

I think faith help us do some law
 

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How do we establish or uphold the law? By trusting in Jesus who kept the law perfectly and by whose perfect sacrifice we are made righteous:

So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (Gal 3:24-25, TNIV)



You do NOT establish the law by:


  • trying to keep it (you can’t)
  • adopting it as a standard for holy living (it’s a recipe for inferior living, see Heb 10:1)
  • mixing it with grace (you’ll end up lukewarm and alienated from Christ)
  • thinking your rule-keeping pleases the Lord (trusting in your flesh never pleases him)
  • posting it on your Sunday School wall (it’s a ministry that condemns!)
  • telling yourself “it’s part of our Christian heritage” (it never was!)


You DO uphold the law by putting your faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on your behalf and who offers you his perfect righteousness as a gift.


​Emphasis on the last sentence..... we DO uphold the law by putting our faith in JESUS who fulfilled allllll the righteous requirements of the law ON OUR BEHALF.. and Who offers us HIS perfect righteousness as a gift. We have the gift... now we keep on using it every day in our lives as we do the walk and talk the talk. It's the gift that keeps on giving. But we have to keep remembering and applying it or it goes unused while we are here on earth.
 

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according to the law. You can not live by the law. The law itself demands perfection. So living by the law by defenition would be living under a curse.


Well., the false premise many of us Christians are under or were under is; God wants us to give it a good shot. That if we do the best we can.... if we show how hard we try even though we KNOW we can't do it perfect.... this will please God and bring Him glory. ARRRGGGGHHH NO.... what brings glory to the Father is when we SEE the SON in our redemption story and give Him 100% FULL credit for every ounce of salvation we have.

The very sad part is many believers are living under the curse of the law by putting themselves back under it.
 
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Well., the false premise many of us Christians are under or were under is; God wants us to give it a good shot. That if we do the best we can.... if we show how hard we try even though we KNOW we can't do it perfect.... this will please God and bring Him glory. ARRRGGGGHHH NO.... what brings glory to the Father is when we SEE the SON in our redemption story and give Him 100% FULL credit for every ounce of salvation we have.

The very sad part is many believers are living under the curse of the law by putting themselves back under it.
people seem to forget what God did that shut the mouths of Satan and his army, and guaranteed there will never be another rebellion again for all eternity,

he he created a physical limited being, knowing hey would rebell, they he took their punishment for them, instead of destroying them.

The law law does not make us righteous, show us how to be righteous, or even save us,

what it does is lead us to christ, and show us his true love. Because he law shows how evil we are, and God shows how loving his by his son fulfilling the law.
 

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Well., the false premise many of us Christians are under or were under is; God wants us to give it a good shot. That if we do the best we can.... if we show how hard we try even though we KNOW we can't do it perfect.... this will please God and bring Him glory. ARRRGGGGHHH NO.... what brings glory to the Father is when we SEE the SON in our redemption story and give Him 100% FULL credit for every ounce of salvation we have.

The very sad part is many believers are living under the curse of the law by putting themselves back under it.
If we want to be lawless, the Bible says that the law is for us because we want the law to be made void and of no effect in our lives. But if we still don't want it, because of our religious beliefs, we are still lawless and under its curse. If we want to be lawful in a carnal way, then we are still under the curse of the law, and in actuality, still lawless. What I'm saying is that Biblically it's impossible to deny the law without being lawless. I'm not trying to be funny but it sure sounds that way. :p
 
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joaniemarie

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If we want to be lawless, the Bible says that the law is for us because we want the law to be made void and of no effect in our lives. But if we still don't want it, because of our religious beliefs, we are still lawless and under its curse. If we want to be lawful in a carnal way, then we are still under the curse of the law, and in actuality, still lawless. What I'm saying is that Biblically it's impossible to deny the law without being lawless. I'm not trying to be funny but it sure sounds that way. :p


Well... the post is a bit confusing. I don't worry about keeping the law anymore. I've discovered that the answer is always to look to Jesus. And I'm not meaning to sound like Ms superspiritual.. I run to Him out of dire need and seeing how this world and my limited understanding works. I know we all are so prone to wander from seeing Jesus in all things. It's very easy to allow our flesh to begin looking at the world for us and getting sucked into hopelessness. (the devil counts on that)

But when Jesus is seen through His Word or through a Bible message heard or a Bible reading or a devotional reading from another believer sharing Jesus., all hope is renewed and the power and love and sound mind of the Holy Spirit surges through us again as those rivers of living waters flow in and through us yet again renewing us and sustaining us.

I have to be daily reminded of who I am in Jesus. The battle of seeing the truth will be with us for the whole time we are on planet earth in these mortal bodies. Walking by faith and not by sight can only be done when we "step over" to the supernatural side of who we are. The Holy Spirit is always there to help and guide and direct and renew. Jesus knew we needed Him while we lived here on earth in this flesh.
 

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people seem to forget what God did that shut the mouths of Satan and his army, and guaranteed there will never be another rebellion again for all eternity,

he he created a physical limited being, knowing hey would rebell, they he took their punishment for them, instead of destroying them.

The law law does not make us righteous, show us how to be righteous, or even save us,

what it does is lead us to christ, and show us his true love. Because he law shows how evil we are, and God shows how loving his by his son fulfilling the law.


Yes.., and believers need to quit looking to the law for their verification. We have to learn to step out into the supernatural realm of the Holy Spirit and walk by faith and not by sight. When all the world and our flesh is screaming "THIS IS REAL., I'M HUMAN AND WITHOUT HOPE IN THIS WORLD" We must step OVER to who we really are in Christ and allow the HOLY SPIRIT to minister to us the truth.

He will always remind us of our righteous standing in Christ. He does not condemn the believer., that is not His job to us... He does that to the world. What He always does for us is POINT us to JESUS and He REMINDS us of who we are IN Christ. It is the enemy who condemns the believer getting us to look at ourselves...not the Holy Spirit as some actually believe. John 16:8-15

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]of sin, because they believe not on me;

[SUP]10 [/SUP]of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more;

[SUP]11 [/SUP]of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.






 
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joaniemarie

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And btw.... God expects us to READ the Bible and hear it preached and be available to learning how to rightly divide it. I never knew how to interpret the above verses and always thought it meant that the Holy Spirit is there waiting for me to screw up so He could fire down all kinds of guilt and condemnation. NOOOO that is not the Holy Spirit!!

It's our job to read the Bible and learn how to see these verses by other verses and the Holy Spirit's guidance and direction on how to apply it in our lives. He never condemns or points out our sin. He points out who we are and in that., we see how we should be. It's all very supernatural but it's all very real and we are called to live there.

And what I meant to say is that we no longer have to look at the law to find our way. We look to and depend on the Holy Spirit and the Word. We don't need that old schoolmaster anymore. He is no longer to be depended on by us.
 
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by steadfast faithfulness (faith) towards God is the Law of the Spirit firmly established therein, thus the influence of Christ fulfills the moral law of God in the hearts of those yielded to the Spirit, therefore walking after the Spirit in covenant with God, and not after the flesh and the lust thereof........this is what it means to have the law written on our hearts and minds.....be blessed
 
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How does Faith ESTABLISH the law? Rom.3:31

Personal Testimony


For me many years ago. I believed that I needed to keep God's Law (10 commandments) for my salvation accepting the death and life of Jesus. I was very exacting in what I believed at the time and tried to be very strict in my observance to obey God's Law. I found after some time that the harder I tried the more I saw myself as a sinner going through a cycle of sinning, confessing and repenting the same old sins, until I was ready to give up in discouragement. I also saw myself on the inside. Sometimes I was outwardly never breaking God's Laws but in my thinking it was not a very nice place to be at all. Where was this love I was supposed to have for others. I knew deep down inside that I did not really love people like Jesus wanted me to.

What now? Reading God's Word Jesus is telling me even if I look on a woman to lust I have already committed adultery applying God's Law to my very thoughts? Ok here I lost all hope..... Condemned as a sinner....... All my righteousness now was as it is plainly to be seen, filthy rags. I have finally given up all hope of trying to keep God's Law. There is finally nothing that I can do to save myself.

It was at this place for the very first time in my life I met Jesus. I could finally see that it was he who died on the cross for my sins and that I was the Chiefest of sinners of whom Christ had come to save! I knew for the very first time in my life that Jesus had come into the world not to save the righteous but bring sinners to repentance. Before I was righteous (in my own eyes) but now I can see myself just how God sees me, sick with sin in need of a Savoir. The Law of God was my schoolmaster that brought me to the cross to meet Jesus for the first time. Here I was at the cross, all undone my complete dependence was no longer on what I could do, but was only on what God's Word says it would do. For the first time I had complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it would do and that Jesus was holding out His free gift of salvation to me all he wanted me to do was to believe His Word and it was mine. I saw for the very first time that I love Him because He first loved me.

Now I walk with him. His commandments that brought me to him are no longer his commandments. They are his promises and as I received Jesus I live in Jesus, by faith in his Word to do what it says it will do. Now I obey and follow him because I love him. He has made me free in Him and given me power to walk with him in newness of life. Now I follow the God of creation by faith and dependence on the Word only to do what it says it will do. I love Jesus and His Word. His Words are spirit and they are life! I worship Jesus everyday. I follow His Word by faith and it is he that works in my as I believe His Word. For the very first time I am free in Him, He changes me day by day as I believe His Word.
A counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.


The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Saviour and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of God’s Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)

In Christ Always!
 
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Joanie I have to agree and disagree.... Christ is our focus you are correct... and by the power of the Holy Spirit by Grace through Faith I agree.. but it is Christ that taught us to Keep GOD's Commandments so by hearing and doing you are being Christ like through the Spirit and not the flesh that is at enmity with GOD's law.

So By Keeping His sayings He knows we love Him and truly believe His blood is for remission of our sins and to reconcile us with Heavenly Father.
Keeping the Ten Commandments causes some to stumble Instead of resting In the grace that was provided.

GOD said that If you love me keep my commandments.

Can any man other than GOD In CHRIST keep the Ten Commandments?answer=no

Can any man that Is GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST keep the two commandments?answer=yes

Somebody might say,the same GOD that spoke In the New Testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the Old Testament,and since the WORD of GOD doesn't change,we should try to keep the Ten Commandments.

Grace Is not work although those that are GOD's workmanship will work.

All glory be to GOD.
 
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Keeping the Ten Commandments causes some to stumble Instead of resting In the grace that was provided.

GOD said that If you love me keep my commandments.

Can any man other than GOD In CHRIST keep the Ten Commandments?answer=no

Can any man that Is GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST keep the two commandments?answer=yes

Somebody might say,the same GOD that spoke In the New Testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the Old Testament,and since the WORD of GOD doesn't change,we should try to keep the Ten Commandments.

Grace Is not work although those that are GOD's workmanship will work.

All glory be to GOD.

Romans 13.8-10

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
 

joaniemarie

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How does Faith ESTABLISH the law? Rom.3:31

Personal Testimony


For me many years ago. I believed that I needed to keep God's Law (10 commandments) for my salvation accepting the death and life of Jesus. I was very exacting in what I believed at the time and tried to be very strict in my observance to obey God's Law. I found after some time that the harder I tried the more I saw myself as a sinner going through a cycle of sinning, confessing and repenting the same old sins, until I was ready to give up in discouragement. I also saw myself on the inside. Sometimes I was outwardly never breaking God's Laws but in my thinking it was not a very nice place to be at all. Where was this love I was supposed to have for others. I knew deep down inside that I did not really love people like Jesus wanted me to.

What now? Reading God's Word Jesus is telling me even if I look on a woman to lust I have already committed adultery applying God's Law to my very thoughts? Ok here I lost all hope..... Condemned as a sinner....... All my righteousness now was as it is plainly to be seen, filthy rags. I have finally given up all hope of trying to keep God's Law. There is finally nothing that I can do to save myself.

It was at this place for the very first time in my life I met Jesus. I could finally see that it was he who died on the cross for my sins and that I was the Chiefest of sinners of whom Christ had come to save! I knew for the very first time in my life that Jesus had come into the world not to save the righteous but bring sinners to repentance. Before I was righteous (in my own eyes) but now I can see myself just how God sees me, sick with sin in need of a Savoir. The Law of God was my schoolmaster that brought me to the cross to meet Jesus for the first time. Here I was at the cross, all undone my complete dependence was no longer on what I could do, but was only on what God's Word says it would do. For the first time I had complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it would do and that Jesus was holding out His free gift of salvation to me all he wanted me to do was to believe His Word and it was mine. I saw for the very first time that I love Him because He first loved me.

Now I walk with him. His commandments that brought me to him are no longer his commandments. They are his promises and as I received Jesus I live in Jesus, by faith in his Word to do what it says it will do. Now I obey and follow him because I love him. He has made me free in Him and given me power to walk with him in newness of life. Now I follow the God of creation by faith and dependence on the Word only to do what it says it will do. I love Jesus and His Word. His Words are spirit and they are life! I worship Jesus everyday. I follow His Word by faith and it is he that works in my as I believe His Word. For the very first time I am free in Him, He changes me day by day as I believe His Word.
A counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?

Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).

God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.


The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Saviour and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of God’s Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).

People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)

In Christ Always!

Thank you for your testimony LoveGodForever. It was wonderful to read.


As I continued reading on and you said the law as being a foundation., I have to totally disagree. Jesus is the foundation. And yes., the law has a use and you used it like I did and like we all have to see how hopeless and needy we are without Christ. The schoolmaster brought us to the end of ourselves. It served the purpose.

If you read the posts before this ., you see that the law is to be dropped by us now that we are IN Christ. We no longer need it. Now we have the Holy Spirit to teach us and show us the perfect law of liberty. The Holy Spirit will now show us how to live because He points us to Christ. The Holy Spirit is now our Teacher and the Guide and Comforter. Not the law.

Yes.,I admit., it's scary at first to think of no longer needing the law after it served us so well to show us our need for a Savior. But now we have to (are called to) leave the law and move on with the Holy Spirit. Please read the previous posts and the verses that were posted along with them.
 
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Thank you for your testimony LoveGodForever. It was wonderful to read.


As I continued reading on and you said the law as being a foundation., I have to totally disagree. Jesus is the foundation. And yes., the law has a use and you used it like I did and like we all have to see how hopeless and needy we are without Christ. The schoolmaster brought us to the end of ourselves. It served the purpose.

If you read the posts before this ., you see that the law is to be dropped by us now that we are IN Christ. We no longer need it. Now we have the Holy Spirit to teach us and show us the perfect law of liberty. The Holy Spirit will now show us how to live because He points us to Christ. The Holy Spirit is now our Teacher and the Guide and Comforter. Not the law.

Yes.,I admit., it's scary at first to think of no longer needing the law after it served us so well to show us our need for a Savior. But now we have to (are called to) leave the law and move on with the Holy Spirit. Please read the previous posts and the verses that were posted along with them.
Hi joaniemarie,

Happy you enjoyed my testimony. It is how I found Jesus. Thanks also for your comment perhaps standard instead of foundation may have been a better word choice to use on my behalf. Sorry if this caused any confusion in my somewhat long post. I respect your view. To me however God's Law (10 commandments) is the very standard of both the old and the new covenants (one written on stone and the other in the heart) and the judgement to come.

We are only saved as we have Faith in God’s Word. As we do this it is God who works in us to save us from our sins. Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law in us who not after the flesh (sinful mind) but after the Spirit. (Rom 8:1-4) God needs to write His Law in your heart before you can follow him <born again 1 John 3:9>. God’s Law (10 commandments) is the standard and definition of what righteousness is.


Ps 119:160
All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal.
“righteous Law”
from H4941; משׁפּט; mishpâṭ; mish-pawt'; = God's Divine Law or Judgement

Psa 119:172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
“righteousness”
from H6664; צדק; tsedeq; tseh'-dek = Moral law or Legal right doing

Psa 119:142,
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
“everlastingfrom H5769; עולם עלם; ‛ôlâm ‛ôlâm; o-lawm', o-lawm' = time out of mind (past or future), that is, (practically) eternity always : - always (-s), ancient (time), continuance, eternal, (for, [n-]) ever (-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end).


God’s salvation by faith in His Word produces righteousness in us because God’s Law is written in us as we have faith in His Word. This is how we are to walk (faith). Salvation is the operation of God in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Hebrews 8:10-12; Colossians 2:12; Romans 8:1-4). Now we love him and love because He first loved us. Love is the fulfilling <doing> of God's Law (the fruit of Faith) in us that we follow him and keep His commandments (John 14:15).

In Christ Always!
 
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We are only saved as we have Faith in God’s Word. As we do this it is God who works in us to save us from our sins. Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law in us who not after the flesh (sinful mind) but after the Spirit. (Rom 8:1-4) God needs to write His Law in your heart before you can follow him <born again 1 John 3:9>. God’s Law (10 commandments) is the standard and definition of what righteousness is.



I'm just going to address this one part of your post because it is where most of your error is.

We are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ. We aren't saved by our faith in the bible or the words written there. Salvation is by the Lord Jesus Christ and faith in Him, personally.

What you say about Gods Law is pretty close. Until you say that Gods Law is the 10 commandments. That is not true. The 10 commandments are the requirement given for people who have rejected Grace. Gods Law is Love. The 10 commandments are condemnation and death.

Well, good luck
 
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Romans 13.8-10

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Yes that would fall under one of the two commandments.Love your neighbor.

For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Yes,we are GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works that was before ordained that we should walk In them.
 
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I'm just going to address this one part of your post because it is where most of your error is.

We are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ. We aren't saved by our faith in the bible or the words written there. Salvation is by the Lord Jesus Christ and faith in Him, personally.

What you say about Gods Law is pretty close. Until you say that Gods Law is the 10 commandments. That is not true. The 10 commandments are the requirement given for people who have rejected Grace. Gods Law is Love. The 10 commandments are condemnation and death.

Well, good luck
Hi Grandpa,

Thanks for your message. I appreciate your thoughts but I do not need luck however as I know him whom I have believed. He is faith to forgive me for my sins and to cleanse me from all my unrighteousness. He is my foundation and my hope and in him I will trust because I know who I have believed, he is the Word of God. This is the same Word that created all things and saves me who am but a sinner without him. Now,I abide in him by faith and hope. He is in me and I in him. I walk with him. His love and Law is written in my heart. I love him because he first loved me. He changes me so I can follow Him. God's Law, the 10 commandments are now his 10 great and precious promises that I believe and as I have received him I walk in him by faith. The Gospel of Christ to me is the power of God unto salvation from sin not because I can do anything. I cannot because I am a sinner without him but now I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me because I believe His Word and love him. Happy Sabbath all.

In Christ Always!
 
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Paul's logic here is simple.

As Faith has superseded the Law, can we conclude that the Law was pointless?

No way! When we properly understand Faith, then we properly understand the Law