Where does Jesus Speak about the Millennium?
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The argument made by Ahwatukee is a popular one - "Just stay in the book of Revelation. No need to go outside the book to understand the imagery." The problem with this is that the book of Revelation does not exist in a vacuum. All of its scenes and imagery come right out of the OT. John does not simply pull these out of thin air and assign new meaning to them. If you want to know the meaning of these symbols then go back to where they are used and explained.
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its also good to know that the bible on several accounts speaks of only on resurrection of both the just and the wicked. Then Jesus office as redeemer will have come to an close, and the kingdom delivered back up to the father, 1 Cor. 15, as the new heavens and new earth are ushered in for all eternity..The futuristic mill-reign myth is a slant on Purgatory. No great wonder since it was contrived by Catholic theologians...The apsotle Peter also asked about the end of the earth saying; knowing these things what type of person ought we to be? The rightous or the wicked that return to their vomit.......be blessed
The one judgement
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:29-46
The one judgement
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:29-46
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No, it doesn't Willie! Do you know what the word "Apokalupsis" means? It is defined as things previously unknown that are being revealed because of being hidden. Yes, there is related information in the book of Daniel and in other scriptures in part. But for the most part, Revelation is a self contained book. I don't have to read the OT to understand what Revelation is saying. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show his servants the things that must soon take place. Those things about to take place (events) being the detailed information of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all related information. From chapter 4 onward is a detailed account of the day of the Lord.
The on-going problem is the belief that Revelation is all symbolic. When read it in that manner, the true meaning will be distorted.
This book should be read in the literal sense, until a symbolic or otherwise sense is obvious.
The on-going problem is the belief that Revelation is all symbolic. When read it in that manner, the true meaning will be distorted.
This book should be read in the literal sense, until a symbolic or otherwise sense is obvious.
Why? Because I can read and the context says "a thousand years." I'm believing what it says and you are changing the meaning by applying other scriptural meanings. If God's word says the sky is blue, that's what I'm going to believe. You and others on the other hand run around trying to figure out what God meant by saying that the sky is blue.
Your error is assuming that the context is symbolic.
After the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, as described in Rev.19:11-21, the beast and the false prophet are both captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. No symbolism there.
After that, an angel descends and literally seizes Satan and throws him into the literal Abyss, which is under the earth. We know this because it is the same Abyss that the demonic beings collectively called Legion, begged Jesus not to send them into.
The Abyss is the same place that the angel of the Abyss currently resides who will be released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet.
Point being that the Abyss is a literal place under the earth and is where Satan is thrown into and restricted for a thousand years. There is no reason to not believe exactly what it says. The same thousand years that Satan is bound in the Abyss is the same thousand years that Jesus reigns on the earth and the saints with him.
To text is only symbolic because you forced it to be symbolic. If you will just read it at face value, then you will understand it in its literal form. But as long as you continue to force a symbolic meaning to it, your interpretation will be in error, as well as your entire end-time scenario.
Your error is assuming that the context is symbolic.
After the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, as described in Rev.19:11-21, the beast and the false prophet are both captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. No symbolism there.
After that, an angel descends and literally seizes Satan and throws him into the literal Abyss, which is under the earth. We know this because it is the same Abyss that the demonic beings collectively called Legion, begged Jesus not to send them into.
The Abyss is the same place that the angel of the Abyss currently resides who will be released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet.
Point being that the Abyss is a literal place under the earth and is where Satan is thrown into and restricted for a thousand years. There is no reason to not believe exactly what it says. The same thousand years that Satan is bound in the Abyss is the same thousand years that Jesus reigns on the earth and the saints with him.
To text is only symbolic because you forced it to be symbolic. If you will just read it at face value, then you will understand it in its literal form. But as long as you continue to force a symbolic meaning to it, your interpretation will be in error, as well as your entire end-time scenario.
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Perhaps this is not a subject you and I should discuss. I know full well your views having come from that background myself. There is simply no common point or reverence that we can work from to discuss this subject. I know I am not going to convince you and I can assure you, I will never return to a mellinnial reading of the text. Millennialists employ a literal, contemporary narrative reading of the text. Symbolism is replaced by literalism thus, the message becomes distorted and is lost in a quagmire of never ending theories and speculations that are in a constant state of change. The use of interpretation is nothing more than human reason run a muck that appeals to people's desire for the sensational. Millennialism is a house of cards built on a sand dune waiting for a strong wind.
Well, the Lord will never be able to say to me, why didn't you believe what I wrote. You and others who change the meaning on the other hand ......
When in history has the lion eaten straw like the Ox?
When in history has a young child been able to play near a Cobra's den and stick his hand in there a not be hurt at all?
When have prey and predator animals and their young ever been able to lie down together and a young child lead them around?
These are just some of the characteristics of the millennial period.
When in history has the lion eaten straw like the Ox?
When in history has a young child been able to play near a Cobra's den and stick his hand in there a not be hurt at all?
When have prey and predator animals and their young ever been able to lie down together and a young child lead them around?
These are just some of the characteristics of the millennial period.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The saints will rule with Jesus for 1000 years,and when Satan is loosed after the 1000 years period he gathers the world together to go against the saints,and then the devil is punished.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
When Jesus rules for a thousand years there will be no wars,for people will not fight with people,for Satan is bound for the thousand years,and does not deceive the nations.
This has never happened where there was a thousand years of peace.
And also Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven,and earth,and he is the head of all principality,and power,and has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven,so why do people say it is only for a thousand years.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
God will gather all nations together to fight Jerusalem,the Jews,and come back with His saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel,and the LORD shall be King over all the earth,and in that day there shall be one LORD,and His name one,and the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon have to go up year after year to worship the LORD at Jerusalem.
This has never happened before,and it is on earth.
The people that God spared still have punishment coming for they took the mark of the beast,but God postponed their judgment until the end of the millennial reign,in which Satan will stir them up,and they will go against the saints,and be devoured with fire,and the millennial reign will be over.
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
It is obvious that the thousand years reign is on earth,in which there will be no wars,and people will not fight with people,and animals will not fight with animals,or people,and will be plant eaters,and animals will be so tame that a child can lead a crocodile in one hand,and a lion in the other hand,and the whole earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Israel is blinded in part,they accept the Old Testament,but not the New for the majority,but Israel as a nation must come to the truth,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,which God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and physical Israel will become spiritual,and Jesus will save Israel from the world at the battle of Armageddon,and restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews for one thousand years.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The disciples asked Jesus when the kingdom would be restored to the Jews,and He said the Father will do it at an appointed time,but not yet,but be concerned with preaching the Gospel,and Jesus will come back and step on the Mount of Olives,which God will come back and step on the Mount of Olives,and defeat the world,and the plague upon them shall be their flesh will melt off their bones,and Jesus will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.
The kingdom has not been restored to Israel,for when it is they will be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which they are not,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles,so Israel is still blinded in part.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
When the kingdom is restored to Israel there will be no operating Gentile government,but only Israel will be the only operating government,nation.
But there is still Gentile governments,and nations,at this time,so this is a future prophesy.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
God will gather the captivity of Israel,the whole house of Jacob,all twelve tribes,and bring them back to their land,and when God defeats the world,the heathen will know that God was with Israel all along,but He hid His face from them because of their sins,and iniquities,against Him,but God will have mercy on them,as always,and will cleanse their sin,and restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated,and all the Jews will be on their land,and the Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,as they try to establish peace on earth.
The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians,and will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and the Jews will go back to animal sacrifices for they are still blinded in part,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles.
After three and one half years,the man of sin steps in to their temple,and tells them to stop animal sacrifices,and claims to be God,and their Messiah,and makes a declaration to the world of how they can achieve peace,and that there is no personal God to help mankind,and he has harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and will not honor any god,but will honor the God of forces,or the force of nature as his higher power.
When the world follows the beast,and takes the mark,then salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and God will send two witnesses to the Jews,and turn them to the truth,and after the three and one half years,God's wrath is poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon,which the world attacks Israel,and God comes back with His saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel,and the kingdom will be restored to them for one thousand years.
The first attack on Jerusalem because they rejected Christ,by the Roman Empire,which God did not go against them for Israel was being punished,which God said when they have borne their shame then He will gather them to their land,and restore the kingdom to them.
The second attack on Jerusalem because they accepted Christ,and the world goes against them,which God defeats the world,and saves Israel.
The millennial reign is on earth,and Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared that went against Israel,and will be the tme the kingdom on earth is restored to the Jews.
Jesus said the Father will restore the kingdom to the Jews at an appointed time,which has not happened yet,so it is in the future,and it is on earth.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The saints will rule with Jesus for 1000 years,and when Satan is loosed after the 1000 years period he gathers the world together to go against the saints,and then the devil is punished.
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
When Jesus rules for a thousand years there will be no wars,for people will not fight with people,for Satan is bound for the thousand years,and does not deceive the nations.
This has never happened where there was a thousand years of peace.
And also Jesus said all power is given unto Him in heaven,and earth,and he is the head of all principality,and power,and has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven,so why do people say it is only for a thousand years.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
God will gather all nations together to fight Jerusalem,the Jews,and come back with His saints,and defeat the world,and save Israel,and the LORD shall be King over all the earth,and in that day there shall be one LORD,and His name one,and the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon have to go up year after year to worship the LORD at Jerusalem.
This has never happened before,and it is on earth.
The people that God spared still have punishment coming for they took the mark of the beast,but God postponed their judgment until the end of the millennial reign,in which Satan will stir them up,and they will go against the saints,and be devoured with fire,and the millennial reign will be over.
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
It is obvious that the thousand years reign is on earth,in which there will be no wars,and people will not fight with people,and animals will not fight with animals,or people,and will be plant eaters,and animals will be so tame that a child can lead a crocodile in one hand,and a lion in the other hand,and the whole earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Israel is blinded in part,they accept the Old Testament,but not the New for the majority,but Israel as a nation must come to the truth,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,which God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and physical Israel will become spiritual,and Jesus will save Israel from the world at the battle of Armageddon,and restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews for one thousand years.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The disciples asked Jesus when the kingdom would be restored to the Jews,and He said the Father will do it at an appointed time,but not yet,but be concerned with preaching the Gospel,and Jesus will come back and step on the Mount of Olives,which God will come back and step on the Mount of Olives,and defeat the world,and the plague upon them shall be their flesh will melt off their bones,and Jesus will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.
The kingdom has not been restored to Israel,for when it is they will be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which they are not,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles,so Israel is still blinded in part.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
When the kingdom is restored to Israel there will be no operating Gentile government,but only Israel will be the only operating government,nation.
But there is still Gentile governments,and nations,at this time,so this is a future prophesy.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
God will gather the captivity of Israel,the whole house of Jacob,all twelve tribes,and bring them back to their land,and when God defeats the world,the heathen will know that God was with Israel all along,but He hid His face from them because of their sins,and iniquities,against Him,but God will have mercy on them,as always,and will cleanse their sin,and restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews.
The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated,and all the Jews will be on their land,and the Gentile nations will come together,and say,Peace and safety,as they try to establish peace on earth.
The Jews will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians,and will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and the Jews will go back to animal sacrifices for they are still blinded in part,and salvation is still available to the Gentiles.
After three and one half years,the man of sin steps in to their temple,and tells them to stop animal sacrifices,and claims to be God,and their Messiah,and makes a declaration to the world of how they can achieve peace,and that there is no personal God to help mankind,and he has harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and will not honor any god,but will honor the God of forces,or the force of nature as his higher power.
When the world follows the beast,and takes the mark,then salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and God will send two witnesses to the Jews,and turn them to the truth,and after the three and one half years,God's wrath is poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon,which the world attacks Israel,and God comes back with His saints,and defeats the world,and saves Israel,and the kingdom will be restored to them for one thousand years.
The first attack on Jerusalem because they rejected Christ,by the Roman Empire,which God did not go against them for Israel was being punished,which God said when they have borne their shame then He will gather them to their land,and restore the kingdom to them.
The second attack on Jerusalem because they accepted Christ,and the world goes against them,which God defeats the world,and saves Israel.
The millennial reign is on earth,and Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared that went against Israel,and will be the tme the kingdom on earth is restored to the Jews.
Jesus said the Father will restore the kingdom to the Jews at an appointed time,which has not happened yet,so it is in the future,and it is on earth.
This is what I am talking about. This is human reason run a muck. This what happens when people refuse to allow scripture to interpret its own use of language and honor the meaning God had already applied to these symbols. Everyone feels free to attach whatever meaning they want to to these symbols. Like I said earlier, millennialism is a house of cards built on a sand dune waiting for a strong wind.
I would offer. The whole revelation is signified as a parable. Without parable Christ spoke not. Remember the key to understanding parables (2 Corinthians 4:18) is we do not look to things seen the temporal in order to find the spiritual eternal meaning hid from the lost.But rather we compare the spiritual meaning his to the same not seen called walking by faith (Christ's) .
Like the key in Revelation 20:1 it signifies the gospel of Christ as that in which the gates of hell could never prevail against. Not a literal key or the serpent it signifies the father of lies not an literal serpent ,a bottomless pit signifies the never ending judgment ,and the thousand years signifies a unknown time.
God does not give exact numbers and call that walking by faith or men will rush in to try and fill them . Like the number 1444,000.used to represent all of the saints as the bride of Christ . They are the chaste virgin bride the church.. it has nothing to do with men not having a sexual relation .
Many group in false pride claim it is in respect to their own denomination.(we are the 1444,000) Looking to seek after a sign(walking by sight). Christ said it’s a evil generation natural man that walks by sight seeking after a sign and wonders gospel before they are moved to believe.
It is why he uses language like shortly come to pass, which could be in the twinkling of the eye. This is seeing the revelation is from the standpoint of the day of the Lord verse 10, the last day.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection
When in history has a young child been able to play near a Cobra's den and stick his hand in there a not be hurt at all?
Parables like that which you offered hide the spiritual understanding from the lost as those who do seek after a signs and wonders gospel . What we will be or this heaven and earth is not what it will be when the new comes in. I believe as new creatures will be given incorruptible bodies, neither male nor female Jew or gentile. New kind of relationships. The old will not be remembered or ever come to mind.
Christ called them the evil generation, natural man, that does walk by sight and not according to the spiritual understanding hid from natural unconverted man.... Christians are of the generation of Christ .Again as new creatures.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Venom or poison is used throughout scripture to represent the false gospel .It will not affect those who do walk by faith according to the spiritual understanding. The understanding of those who do seek after a sign before they will believe made sinners into saints. That practice is known among the some of the Pentecostal sects as a way of proving to themselves they have the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God . It’s what the unbelieving Jew (no faith) did, required a sign before they were moved to believe.
We can see that parable applied to Paul, a child of God.
And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.Howbeit they looked (walking/understanding by sight not mixing faith the unseen eternal ) when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked (walking/understanding by sight not mixing faith the unseen eternal ) a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. Act 28:3
Parables like that which you offered hide the spiritual understanding from the lost as those who do seek after a signs and wonders gospel . What we will be or this heaven and earth is not what it will be when the new comes in. I believe as new creatures will be given incorruptible bodies, neither male nor female Jew or gentile. New kind of relationships. The old will not be remembered or ever come to mind.
Christ called them the evil generation, natural man, that does walk by sight and not according to the spiritual understanding hid from natural unconverted man.... Christians are of the generation of Christ .Again as new creatures.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Venom or poison is used throughout scripture to represent the false gospel .It will not affect those who do walk by faith according to the spiritual understanding. The understanding of those who do seek after a sign before they will believe made sinners into saints. That practice is known among the some of the Pentecostal sects as a way of proving to themselves they have the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God . It’s what the unbelieving Jew (no faith) did, required a sign before they were moved to believe.
We can see that parable applied to Paul, a child of God.
And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.Howbeit they looked (walking/understanding by sight not mixing faith the unseen eternal ) when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked (walking/understanding by sight not mixing faith the unseen eternal ) a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. Act 28:3
Things like this are not meant to be understood literally, this is prophetic hyperbole/poetic style of writing - the scriptures are full of this type of imagery such as:
Micah 1:3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
Micah 1:4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.
Micah 1:3 For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth.
Micah 1:4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.
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And there's the rub of their arguments. If you're going to count Paul, as well as Jesus, then all the verses taken out of context to support their theory come right back into play.
Sort of like saying, "You can pick any shirt out of your closet that isn't blue." And then having them choose only shirts on the right hand side. Well, some of the shirts on the right hand side are blue, so if they really wanted to wear a blue shirt, they will pick one and say, "But you said!"
And judging from the length of this thread now, that's what they're doing. (Either that, or this will be a fun read, and I can get a few laughs along the way.)
Sort of like saying, "You can pick any shirt out of your closet that isn't blue." And then having them choose only shirts on the right hand side. Well, some of the shirts on the right hand side are blue, so if they really wanted to wear a blue shirt, they will pick one and say, "But you said!"
And judging from the length of this thread now, that's what they're doing. (Either that, or this will be a fun read, and I can get a few laughs along the way.)
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I've wasted about as much time on figuring out my views of eschatology as I have studying the history of the teddy bear. (Oh, and I really have "wasted time" on both topics, simply because I felt like learning something at the time.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I really know I'm not that knowledgeable, but are there any full-preterists around? I have never met anyone who thinks Jesus' second coming already happened. So, I'm thinking there is no such creature as a Preterist.
(I am a semi-preterist specifically because we're still here/Jesus hasn't returned for the big finale yet.)
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I really know I'm not that knowledgeable, but are there any full-preterists around? I have never met anyone who thinks Jesus' second coming already happened. So, I'm thinking there is no such creature as a Preterist.
(I am a semi-preterist specifically because we're still here/Jesus hasn't returned for the big finale yet.)