STUDY THE WORD NOT THE WORDS

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I love to study the Word, (singular)

lets look at fasting.

as most people believe that fasting is to deny yourself for a period of time, i will suggest that isn't the original meaning!!!

Fasting in the Greek means to abstain from food or drink.

Fasting in the original Hebrew means to cling to God.

I tried fasting food and drink and i didn't like it, but to sit at the feet of Jesus, and hear his voice is the greatest thing.

Lets look at the word sinner, Paul said he is the chief among sinners, hmmmm. Paul more than anyone understood Grace!

why would this man say he is a sinner. Its because, the word sinner by definetion means indebtedness. Paul is so indebted to Jesus that there is nothing Jesus asked, that he won't do.

Are you so indebted that you will do anything he asks?


The Bible is self defining with a little Word study
 
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I don't think we need to study "A" word, but "THE" Word.... which is really studying "many" combined and associated words that give us "meaning and intent."

To study just one word will often lead us down a false trail.
 
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i agree with you in part, though there are some words that are used to subjugate people, to find the correct definition is to find truth, and then put into the context, of what God is saying
 
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maverich said:
i agree with you in part, though there are some words that are used to subjugate people, to find the correct definition is to find truth, and then put into the context, of what God is saying
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You just said it yourself. These specific and selective limited "words" could not be used in that manner if the fuller meanings were derived from more expansive study of the Word.

It honestly is by narrowly focusing on singular passages that we often get ourselves into the most trouble.
 
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again i agree, i was taught to read minimum of 10 verses before and 10 after to find the context of the verse. if one chooses only one verse out of context, then that is a con.
 
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Romans 8

32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

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I think The bible can be very simple to understand or very complex to understand and on every level in between.

This verse below is pretty much self explanatory.

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

Yet this verse below is of extrodanery complexity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 
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expansive study doesn't always mean that 'you get IT': from what we have learned, hub and me,
it's seems that Jesus takes His own Sweet-Time, different ways for each one - and we must learn to 'wait',
and when we learn to wait, then we learn how to 'hear/receive', and begin to 'do', and our hearts only want
to submit and obey our precious Saviour, in our gratefulness...The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS continue
to teach us how to serve our Holy Creator as He demands and requires of us,
IF we truly Love Him...
 
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In response to numerous posts on this thread..... ;)

God said EVERY WORD (singular) of God is inspired and profitable!
 
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dcontroversal said:
In response to numerous posts on this thread..... ;)

God said EVERY WORD (singular) of God is inspired and profitable!
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And He had them strung together in sentences and paragraphs to guide us.
 
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maverich said:
again i agree, i was taught to read minimum of 10 verses before and 10 after to find the context of the verse. if one chooses only one verse out of context, then that is a con.
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Likewise. But, I got it a little rougher. I was told to read the whole Chapter a verse was found in... and, sometimes, the entire book.
 
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And He had them strung together in sentences and paragraphs to guide us.
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Yep....but that does not mean we cannot glean solid, factual truth from one word or name.......for example......

Daniel means--->God is my judge
Hananiah means---> Jehovah was favored
Mishael means---> Who is like God
Azariah means---> Helped by Jehovah

I obviously believe line upon line and precept upon precept, context etc.....to come to conclusions.....having said that....I have also seen very factual profound truth to be found in ONE word and how God can cover many aspects by said words....

What is profound about the names above and the meaning of the names is how applicable they are in light of the entire book of Daniel and what they went through......
 
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maverich said:
again i agree, i was taught to read minimum of 10 verses before and 10 after to find the context of the verse. if one chooses only one verse out of context, then that is a con.
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When a person takes 1 verse or only part of one verse and creates a doctrine out of it...it is called proof texting and is indeed a con...
 
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Meggido said:
When a person takes 1 verse or only part of one verse and creates a doctrine out of it...it is called proof texting and is indeed a con...
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Really......interesting....

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So....I cannot make a rock solid stand and or doctrine out of the above 1 verse and come to a solid biblical stance that God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning??
 
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dcontroversal said:
Really......interesting....

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So....I cannot make a rock solid stand and or doctrine out of the above 1 verse and come to a solid biblical stance that God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning??
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Have you made a doctrine of that? It is people who attempt such things that I believe Meggido was speaking of.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Really......interesting....

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So....I cannot make a rock solid stand and or doctrine out of the above 1 verse and come to a solid biblical stance that God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning??
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This is the point we are making...

Ken Hagin who created the Word of Faith Doctrine and movement used to teach people that they should use their personal faith and call or confess into being that which does not exist. This is part of a verse...Romans 4.17

Hagin said that God allows US to call things that not as though they are.....Many used his teaching to call money, cars and other material things that did not exist into the now....and it never works....

The whole verse is

Romans 4.17

[SUP]17 [/SUP](as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

Now check out the whole verse and especially the above in bold .....


I rest my case....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Really......interesting....

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

So....I cannot make a rock solid stand and or doctrine out of the above 1 verse and come to a solid biblical stance that God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning??
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Jesus had a mother, Mary. Yes, a "truth", just like creation is. However, some people have made a doctrine out of worshiping that woman.
 
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Willie-T said:
Have you made a doctrine of that? It is people who attempt such things that I believe Meggido was speaking of.
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Doctrine means teaching....and you both miss my point in your infinite wisdom.....it is not error to make a stand on one verse as truth....the verse I quoted proved this point.....I can glean and stand on a solid foundation of truth from that ONE verse that GOD did indeed create the heavens and the earth in the beginning.....and that is the point
 
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Willie-T said:
Jesus had a mother, Mary. Yes, a "truth", just like creation is. However, some people have made a doctrine out of worshiping that woman.
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I understand this point willy......and that is not the point I was making....thanks anyway bro...
 
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Willie-T said:
Likewise. But, I got it a little rougher. I was told to read the whole Chapter a verse was found in... and, sometimes, the entire book.
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People also tend to read the Bible in Linear fashion...meaning that the chapter they are in is the complete thought and you go to the next chapter and a new thought...and so on and so on...

The Sermon on the mount is not just Matthew chapter 5 but chapters 5-7....the discourse on the the door and good shepherd of John 10, actually starts in John 9...Romans is best understood in contrast and compare....there are many, many more examples. like this...that people miss and therefore take completely out of context...
 
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