STUDY THE WORD NOT THE WORDS

[dcontroversal]

This is the point we are making...

Ken Hagin who created the Word of Faith Doctrine and movement used to teach people that they should use their personal faith and call or confess into being that which does not exist. This is part of a verse...Romans 4.17

Hagin said that God allows US to call things that not as though they are.....Many used his teaching to call money, cars and other material things that did not exist into the now....and it never works....

The whole verse is

Romans 4.17

[SUP]17 [/SUP](as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

Now check out the whole verse and especially the above in bold .....


I rest my case....

Kenneth who??? who cares what that fool had to say.....not my point....doctrine is teaching...and we can take one verse and stand on the truth it presents as truth...just like the verse I quoted.....and regardless....you would argue with me if I stated the pacific ocean is blue and clouds float in the sky.

 

[Willie-T]

We all know that we intend to convey a WHOLE LOT MORE than something merely "being a teaching," when we say something like "The Prosperity Doctrine." Or the "Doctrine of Transubstantiation."

 

[Meggido]

Doctrine means teaching....and you both miss my point in your infinite wisdom.....it is not error to make a stand on one verse as truth....the verse I quoted proved this point.....I can glean and stand on a solid foundation of truth from that ONE verse that GOD did indeed create the heavens and the earth in the beginning.....and that is the point

That is not our point, Corporal obvious....

 

[dcontroversal]

That is not our point, Corporal obvious....

Love it.....hilarious.....you can address me as Corporal obvious anytime

 

[Meggido]

Kenneth who??? who cares what that fool had to say.....not my point....doctrine is teaching...and we can take one verse and stand on the truth it presents as truth...just like the verse I quoted.....and regardless....you would argue with me if I stated the pacific ocean is blue and clouds float in the sky.

Nobody here said otherwise.....now go get some medical help for the arm you broke off patting yourself on the back....

 

[dcontroversal]

Nobody here said otherwise.....now go get some medical help for the arm you broke off patting yourself on the back....

After you get your Prozac script filled

 

[posthuman]

This verse below is pretty much self explanatory.

John 11:35
Jesus wept.

Yet this verse below is of extrodanery complexity.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

to be honest, even though understanding only in the slightest who Jesus is, and who we are, i find it is incredibly complex & amazing that He wept, even moreso in the context that He did, beyond all of my ability to comprehend

 

[MarcR]

We all know that we intend to convey a WHOLE LOT MORE than something merely "being a teaching," when we say something like "The Prosperity Doctrine." Or the "Doctrine of Transubstantiation."

Willie,

You and D-Con are talking at cross purposes and are both correct in what you are saying.

We can indeed learn much from studying what a word means in every context in which it is used in order to help us, under the Holy Spirit's guidance, determine what it means in context.

It is certainly an error to build doctrinal precepts on a word or a verse out of context. One major reason this is true is that the same word can mean several unrelated things in different contexts.

to use some examples from English:

A carpenter will tell you a stool is something to sit on but a pharmacist will have a very different idea.

The word chase can mean:

1) the bore of a gun
2) a flume for washing ore
3) a box for storing valuables
4) a frame for movable type
5)to cut screw threads on a lathe
6) pursue with intent to detain

 

[dcontroversal]

to be honest, even though understanding only in the slightest who Jesus is, and who we are, i find it is incredibly complex & amazing that He wept, even moreso in the context that He did, beyond all of my ability to comprehend

I have heard taught that Jesus wept because of their unbelief.......and not necessarily because of Lazarus' death.....your view??

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I heard when oil spills out of the lamp it can get very slippery

see, it is still oil but has now become a hazard

a person can walk towards the lamp, slip on the oil and fall

or, if someone lights a match for the lamp and for some reason the flame should extend to the spilled oil, far more will burn then was intended

that, is what happens when you take a verse that was not written in verse form to begin with and exclaim you have a doctrine

further, when you are convinced through circumstance and seized opportunity, that you must be right because 3 follows 2, you will resort to disdain and mocking unless wisdom exceeds knowledge and humility has been learned

 

[MarcR]

I have heard taught that Jesus wept because of their unbelief.......and not necessarily because of Lazarus' death.....your view??

Since I do not see the answer to your question in Scripture we can at best try to deduce an answer from what we do know.

We know that Jesus had both the power and the intent to raise Lazarus; so his death was not likely to evoke tears.

We know that Jesus wept over Jerusalem because of unbelief.

We can therefore surmise with reasonable confidence that your cited teaching is correct.

 

[BeyondET]

The Jesus wept verse is in my opinion a universal verse, that verse can be used in multiple places and speak of a truth.
Though indeed I agree stringing verses together if not wisely done, it can be of a incorrect statement as well. It's the intentions that dictate a rightly flowing doctrine or of a wrongly flowing doctrine.

In This video below the author is inspired but God to seek His message He developed over a long period of time within the bible.
It took the whole bible to complete this truth that God created this hidden gem within the bible. probably most of the orginal bible authors didn't even know their inspired verse would be part of a larger message to humanity in the future. This message could have been known in the first or sceond centuries, yes anything is possible with God, though nonetheless the whole bible took the events that happened and it was inspired and written down by each of the authors in scripture in their time.

this video is quite amazing how it flows and is of God I believe!!!
[video=youtube;honbip9amZc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=honbip9amZc[/video]

 

[Zmouth]

The Bible is self defining with a little Word study

Really? It is written in "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. ​

[FONT=&quot]So what is scripture in Proverbs telling you to get?

So when you say 'wisdom' then would you say it got it with a 'little Word Study'?
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1 Thess 5:21
Proverbs 4:7

 

[Nehemiah6]

I have heard taught that Jesus wept because of their unbelief.......and not necessarily because of Lazarus' death.....your view??

That idea does not come from the narrative at all. Before we read that Jesus wept, we read this:

When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

So the sorrow of everyone at the death of Lazarus affected Jesus also. Jesus probably remembered that "the last enemy" -- death -- was not a necessity but the wages of sin. Had Adam obeyed God, death would not have entered into the world. Jesus also saw that death separated the ones who were loved by their families and friends from those closest to them. That it was a devastating experience. Jesus also had a special relationship with this family, and their sorrow became His sorrow. As Scripture says, Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. So in brief, Christ's full humanity was on display, just before His full deity would also be displayed in the resurrection of Lazarus.