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Thank you for the apology.
I forgive you, because I know before the Lord all things are clear and simple, and I hold
nothing against anyone.
My point stands, truth, our yes and no, how we listen to the simple words of Christ.
We will have to answer to Him for every miss-placed word especially against His people.
What does make me wonder is why love is so hard for some to face and walk in?
The two commandments of our faith are all about ........ love.
We are called to be an open accepting people, who are humble, gracious and caring.
Is this the message you the reader seem to have continual issues with?
Imagine you best friend who has just saved your life, needs some help. Would you
ignore them and talk as if they are stranger, or jump at the opportunity?
I forgive you, because I know before the Lord all things are clear and simple, and I hold
nothing against anyone.
My point stands, truth, our yes and no, how we listen to the simple words of Christ.
We will have to answer to Him for every miss-placed word especially against His people.
What does make me wonder is why love is so hard for some to face and walk in?
The two commandments of our faith are all about ........ love.
We are called to be an open accepting people, who are humble, gracious and caring.
Is this the message you the reader seem to have continual issues with?
Imagine you best friend who has just saved your life, needs some help. Would you
ignore them and talk as if they are stranger, or jump at the opportunity?
Matt 25.29-30<<<<read the rest of the story...
. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
If we are given something from God, it is expected that there is a return...a Lazy Christian that takes the gift and does nothing with it is called wicked and lazy....and the little he had is taken away and he is cast out.....
. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
If we are given something from God, it is expected that there is a return...a Lazy Christian that takes the gift and does nothing with it is called wicked and lazy....and the little he had is taken away and he is cast out.....
...xox..
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If you feel salvation can be lost you will see it that way.
I would rather take John at his word. This gnostic crap is meaningless. I never even heard of that until I came into CC. I think it is an excuse to try to twist Johansson words, to make him say things he never said.
John spoke of people who were a part of the church, who turned around and became against christ, Nothing more nothing less. That is not Gnosticism, We see this in the chu5ch today, and no one4 I know teaches Gnosticism,
Having a knowledge of the fact that there is a (THE) God does not imply saving faith into the work of Christ and or the fact that JESUS knows them by faith....That is my view on it....creation itself proves there is a (the) God, just like the demons that believe, yet this does not equate to saving faith....
Regardless.....PAUL concluded 2 things based upon Abraham and was INSPIRED BY JESUS to write...
a. We conclude a man is justified by faith without works
b. Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness
and then goes on to quote DAVID in the following...
David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law (works)
No matter HOW many times you push a working for, sinless perfectionist preservation/salvation it will not alleviate the simple truth of the three points above......
a. We conclude a man is justified by faith without works
b. Abraham believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness
and then goes on to quote DAVID in the following...
David described the blessedness of the man to who God imputes righteousness without the deeds of the law (works)
No matter HOW many times you push a working for, sinless perfectionist preservation/salvation it will not alleviate the simple truth of the three points above......
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again, for those interested in the conversation.
My argument was that a true child of God who became lazy is better off than a non child of God who is busy doing works in a church thinking they are saved, but not saved.
It has nothing to do with licentious believers, who have never been saved, or people who claim to have faith but have no work, because they are hearers only not doers.
it was in response to people saying OSAS breads easy believism, and can cause a person to live in sin, because there is nothing stoping him..
i.e., replacing eternal security with works, based in a reason that it can cause people to be lazy or live in sin is worse than teaching people a works based gospel. Which is no gospel at all.
Licentious people are doomed, Jude says their condemnation was set in stone. Teaching against eternal security to fight licentiousness is not going to help
a laze BELIEVER is still better off than a BUSY non believer. Who has NEVER KNOWN GOD.
My argument was that a true child of God who became lazy is better off than a non child of God who is busy doing works in a church thinking they are saved, but not saved.
It has nothing to do with licentious believers, who have never been saved, or people who claim to have faith but have no work, because they are hearers only not doers.
it was in response to people saying OSAS breads easy believism, and can cause a person to live in sin, because there is nothing stoping him..
i.e., replacing eternal security with works, based in a reason that it can cause people to be lazy or live in sin is worse than teaching people a works based gospel. Which is no gospel at all.
Licentious people are doomed, Jude says their condemnation was set in stone. Teaching against eternal security to fight licentiousness is not going to help
a laze BELIEVER is still better off than a BUSY non believer. Who has NEVER KNOWN GOD.
Absolutely....Gnostic and those with a spirit of antichrist are unbelievers, right?
when we quote 1 verse it becomes a doctrine...proper context shows us who John was warning them of...
Many here tell us this all day long...and hang a salvation hat on it...but is that really what it is all about?
1 John 2.19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
now lets add some other verses....
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
now 19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Now 20-24
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. [SUP]24 [/SUP]As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
You can see now that John was not even talking about salvation as much of a warning agaisnt those fasle teachers who invaded the church....
True Gnostic doctrine of John's day did not believe Jesus came in the flesh or was the Christ, but simply the supreme being and was just a human not divinity......we also get into error here when we call the Beast of the book Revelation, the antichrist and the word antichrist is not found anywhere in the book of Revelation and found strictly in the book of 1 John.
Syncretism was proliferating in the early church, so 1 John is a letter warning babes in Christ[children], adolescents[young men] elders[fathers] of false teachers and how to test them....I do not see 1 John 2.19 as a salvation scripture at all...
when we quote 1 verse it becomes a doctrine...proper context shows us who John was warning them of...
Many here tell us this all day long...and hang a salvation hat on it...but is that really what it is all about?
1 John 2.19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
now lets add some other verses....
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
now 19
[SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Now 20-24
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. [SUP]21 [/SUP]I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. [SUP]24 [/SUP]As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
You can see now that John was not even talking about salvation as much of a warning agaisnt those fasle teachers who invaded the church....
True Gnostic doctrine of John's day did not believe Jesus came in the flesh or was the Christ, but simply the supreme being and was just a human not divinity......we also get into error here when we call the Beast of the book Revelation, the antichrist and the word antichrist is not found anywhere in the book of Revelation and found strictly in the book of 1 John.
Syncretism was proliferating in the early church, so 1 John is a letter warning babes in Christ[children], adolescents[young men] elders[fathers] of false teachers and how to test them....I do not see 1 John 2.19 as a salvation scripture at all...
Your true self is emerging, may I suggest you take a break?
Just because you have never heard of something does not make untrue....this is the first rule of any serious scholar, secular or Christian...will never violate....they will seek, study and find the answer....In this case, history and commentary refute you and soundly....
It is also very evident you have no clue about Gnostic doctrine and the fact it is very much alive today and is at the very core of the spirit of antichrist that is in the world now....Instead of manifesting senseless eisegesis about this subject it would be wisdom for you to study it out beyond CC.
You are overreacting because the truth of this passage proves without any doubt that it is not at all talking about salvation and takes away an apologetic weapon people think they have had forever....
Wisdom would make you relax and ask the question, why did John talk about the spirit of antichrist and constantly and consistently warn believers not to believe people when they said Jesus was not the supreme being or savior....
Answer that.... and you may grow beyond the level you are most comfortable staying in...
Just because you have never heard of something does not make untrue....this is the first rule of any serious scholar, secular or Christian...will never violate....they will seek, study and find the answer....In this case, history and commentary refute you and soundly....
It is also very evident you have no clue about Gnostic doctrine and the fact it is very much alive today and is at the very core of the spirit of antichrist that is in the world now....Instead of manifesting senseless eisegesis about this subject it would be wisdom for you to study it out beyond CC.
You are overreacting because the truth of this passage proves without any doubt that it is not at all talking about salvation and takes away an apologetic weapon people think they have had forever....
Wisdom would make you relax and ask the question, why did John talk about the spirit of antichrist and constantly and consistently warn believers not to believe people when they said Jesus was not the supreme being or savior....
Answer that.... and you may grow beyond the level you are most comfortable staying in...