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For me this weird escalation, short hand meaning
what you believe is evil and a lie, so believing this is sin and send you to hell.
Here is the real problem. Jesus says if you murder a brother with your words, you are liable
to hell yourself.
Now take note, this is Jesus eternal words. Being told I am evil is no problem from sinners
but a wolf who claims to be a brother, this is a learning experience. God is patient, but He
should never be pushed. The Lord has taken His own, because their ministry was getting
counter productive. What about this case I wonder???? God bless you, and I truly mean this
because to fall into His hands is best avoided.
what you believe is evil and a lie, so believing this is sin and send you to hell.
Here is the real problem. Jesus says if you murder a brother with your words, you are liable
to hell yourself.
Now take note, this is Jesus eternal words. Being told I am evil is no problem from sinners
but a wolf who claims to be a brother, this is a learning experience. God is patient, but He
should never be pushed. The Lord has taken His own, because their ministry was getting
counter productive. What about this case I wonder???? God bless you, and I truly mean this
because to fall into His hands is best avoided.
U
This response .......
Originally Posted by UnderGrace
So what He demands....... is that you stop trying to save yourself........ and believe in the work He has done on your behalf
Was related to this statement by PeterJens......
No contradiction, you cannot save yourself nor can you keep yourself saved.
Our continued belief is not what keeps us saved, it is God who keeps us saved
I am not sure what it is you are reading that is contradictory?
Feel bad, nah... I feel great, I am absolutely secure.
So what He demands....... is that you stop trying to save yourself........ and believe in the work He has done on your behalf
No contradiction, you cannot save yourself nor can you keep yourself saved.
Our continued belief is not what keeps us saved, it is God who keeps us saved
I am not sure what it is you are reading that is contradictory?
Feel bad, nah... I feel great, I am absolutely secure.
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No, seriously. Do you ridicule those you teach this way when they don't agree with you?
How we treat each other is waaaaaay more important than the doctrines we hold. Prolly the biggest lesson of my growing up into Christ. In fact, that is the very reason I reach out to the church. For so many think God is applauding their doctrinal stances and creeds as if what they believe about things is the 'believing' that God is pleased with and wants us to do. That's not even remotely true. But very, very, very few in the church know this. How one acts is the narrow road of life that few find. Treating others the way you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes is pretty much the summation of it. Do you want to be beat up for what you believe? Do you want to be ridiculed for what you believe? Do you want the Bible study and fellowship you're participating in to be like boot camp? I'm betting, no. Then don't do that to others. That will show you are on the straight and narrow road of life few find.
How we treat each other is waaaaaay more important than the doctrines we hold. Prolly the biggest lesson of my growing up into Christ. In fact, that is the very reason I reach out to the church. For so many think God is applauding their doctrinal stances and creeds as if what they believe about things is the 'believing' that God is pleased with and wants us to do. That's not even remotely true. But very, very, very few in the church know this. How one acts is the narrow road of life that few find. Treating others the way you would want to be treated if you were in their shoes is pretty much the summation of it. Do you want to be beat up for what you believe? Do you want to be ridiculed for what you believe? Do you want the Bible study and fellowship you're participating in to be like boot camp? I'm betting, no. Then don't do that to others. That will show you are on the straight and narrow road of life few find.
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The bolded is as false as can be....the narrow way is describing the one true way of salvation and is not indicative of how you ACT....it is based upon what YOU BELIEVE.....and to be frank...I have NO USE for those who trample Jesus under their feet by their false gospels that deny the work and promises of JESUS.....as a matter of fact.....IMO it is not of God......
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Peter says we are kept for the Day of Salvation through faith (1 Peter 1:5) How is that a works gospel? How is it that you think 'through faith' is us trying to save ourselves? Is there a passage of scripture that says having faith is one of the works that can not justify and if we do it in the hope of being saved we are guilty of trying to save ourselves? I'm pretty sure Paul said the exact opposite, that having faith is the ONLY way to be justified, and that it's in direct opposition to trying to do things to justify oneself.
Oh the wounding from such a great authority. I wonder if Satan jumped up and said the same
things, we would take the same note.
Respect from a brother is expected, but an unrepentant sinner, not even a flicker, lol
Wolves lose their bark when you know who they are, sorry to disappoint.
It would be nice to take a mortal wounding, a slow fall to the ground with glazed eyes,
But is not happening. Jesus does love you, no matter how lost and confused you get.
things, we would take the same note.
Respect from a brother is expected, but an unrepentant sinner, not even a flicker, lol
Wolves lose their bark when you know who they are, sorry to disappoint.
It would be nice to take a mortal wounding, a slow fall to the ground with glazed eyes,
But is not happening. Jesus does love you, no matter how lost and confused you get.
The bible sates that we are KEPT by the power of GOD
YOU SAY...YOU MUST KEEP YOURSELF in the faith.....
One is biblical....the latter IS NOT........and is a works based false gospel.....
Either KEPT by GOD'S power or you are not saved......end of story...NO ONE keeps themselves saved......nor can they LOSE it once they have it!
YOU SAY...YOU MUST KEEP YOURSELF in the faith.....
One is biblical....the latter IS NOT........and is a works based false gospel.....
Either KEPT by GOD'S power or you are not saved......end of story...NO ONE keeps themselves saved......nor can they LOSE it once they have it!
