look like this judgement is for believer and unbeliever
the last clause said
whether righteous (believer ) or evil (unbeliever)
of course the reward for evil is hell
Faith or Works?
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look like this judgement is for believer and unbeliever
the last clause said
whether righteous (believer ) or evil (unbeliever)
of course the reward for evil is hell
The Great White Throne Judgment
It, as Revelation teaches, takes place 1,000 years after Christ returns.
Revelation 20:11-13
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea (waters are people) gave up the dead (those with mortal souls, which means liable to die) who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works (twice for emphases).
The 2nd resurrection happens here for those who make it. The rest will go into the lake of fire and "turned to ashes from within".
Now faith is paramount because you cannot see Christ with your physical eyes. After Christ returns, you can see Him. You do not need to have faith in something you can see. It’s right there before your eyes.
there are 2 book, it may one of them is book of life, another one is book for unbeliever. Both of them present in that judgement
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You state that baptism saves and I have heard this argument before. I don't understand though why Jesus told the their on the cross next to Him that today they would be together in practice the their wasn't vaorised.
Verse 12
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. another book was opened, which is the book of life
the first books is plural, a lot of books.
second book was singular/one book
Yep, the first books was plural may be because that books is the records of unbeliever, majority people not go to heaven, Jesus said narrow is the path to heaven, only few will be there
more people more book.
my point is both believer and unbeliever present in that courthouse, some people believe this judgement is only for believer. This believe not base on that verses.
Faith that worketh by love.. we are loved and set free to love GOD and each other.
The Spirit is given to those that believe in their heart.. Repent and believe.
The Spirit is the power of GOD working through us it Truly is Christ within.
GOD grafts the Believing branch in to the True Vine which is the Messiah and the branch is supplied with the Goodness.
Sanctified by His Blood being set at liberty under Grace to love and obey.
So Law of Faith or law of works?
New wine is a Blessing so let us have Grace where Faith leads us unto the good works from the Masters Word.
Grow in Grace and knowledge of Christ.
Glory to the Almighty GOD and our Lord and Saviour.
The Spirit is given to those that believe in their heart.. Repent and believe.
The Spirit is the power of GOD working through us it Truly is Christ within.
GOD grafts the Believing branch in to the True Vine which is the Messiah and the branch is supplied with the Goodness.
Sanctified by His Blood being set at liberty under Grace to love and obey.
So Law of Faith or law of works?
New wine is a Blessing so let us have Grace where Faith leads us unto the good works from the Masters Word.
Grow in Grace and knowledge of Christ.
Glory to the Almighty GOD and our Lord and Saviour.
Hey guys this is the wrong question.
Look at what scripture says,
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15
The fact if you are written in the book of life you are not destroyed.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
Rev: 20 12-13
All the dead stand before the throne.
What they have done is judged by what has be written in the books.
Now God says He has wiped out the sins of His people. So nothing will be written against
His people. So there is nothing to fear.
But if we have not remained true, He will wipe out the memory of the righteous behaviour
as if it had not taken place, and remember all that was before.
Now those who believe they are judged only before Christ are mistaken.
Judgement is the same for all.
Now some think Jesus will stand at judgement instead of them, so all the evil
they have done will be covered, though never dealt with.
The only scriptural principle is the wiping away the records of evil.
And what saves us? To be written in the lambs book of life, Amen.
It is obvious this contradicts the view of Jesus returning and we being swept up
with Him. These are summaries of events, without continuity, so how they fit
is an interesting question.
Bema seat of rewards in Christ is also another area of recognition of behaviour.
I am grateful the Lord will recognise who we are and what we have done, amen.
Look at what scripture says,
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15
The fact if you are written in the book of life you are not destroyed.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
Rev: 20 12-13
All the dead stand before the throne.
What they have done is judged by what has be written in the books.
Now God says He has wiped out the sins of His people. So nothing will be written against
His people. So there is nothing to fear.
But if we have not remained true, He will wipe out the memory of the righteous behaviour
as if it had not taken place, and remember all that was before.
Now those who believe they are judged only before Christ are mistaken.
Judgement is the same for all.
Now some think Jesus will stand at judgement instead of them, so all the evil
they have done will be covered, though never dealt with.
The only scriptural principle is the wiping away the records of evil.
And what saves us? To be written in the lambs book of life, Amen.
It is obvious this contradicts the view of Jesus returning and we being swept up
with Him. These are summaries of events, without continuity, so how they fit
is an interesting question.
Bema seat of rewards in Christ is also another area of recognition of behaviour.
I am grateful the Lord will recognise who we are and what we have done, amen.
Work all you want.. It won't save you.
The lawn you mow for a disabled neighbor won't save you. Neither will the dinner you served a homeless person at a soup kitchen. Neither will the money you donate to charity. FAITH is what saves you. Works do not..
The lawn you mow for a disabled neighbor won't save you. Neither will the dinner you served a homeless person at a soup kitchen. Neither will the money you donate to charity. FAITH is what saves you. Works do not..
Would you agree that faith without works would also mean no reward,yet the person would be saved?
Amen! Also, wicked, lazy servant who is cast out into outer darkness does not represent a genuine believer. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved. The Jews were called the Lord’s servants, but they were not all saved (Isaiah 43:10).
I know.....the contradiction is obvious in her post....not required to earn it but required to receive it.....WOW.......!!
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Why start a post when there is already such a post?
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I'm honestly a little concerned for you. Do you even know what the Gospel unto Salvation is?
What exactly are you resting on to be saved?
Dear Lord, open the eyes of the hearts of those who are not resting SOLELY on the finished work of Your beloved Son.