Its not difficult to understand. We have just been programmed to believe that angels and heavenly creatures are spirits or ghost like. In 1 Corinthians the reference is a Christ trying to explain that heavenly bodies are different in material and design. It is a different type of body. God will take our consciousness, our spirit, our essence and insert it into a new body, a heavenly body. We are a creation like a cell phone is a creation. The identity like your SIM card can be removed from one device and put into another. Same identity, different vessel. Our new vessels will be like heavenly creatures probably. During the transfiguration the men were shining. We too will possibly give off light.
False Teaching?
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Colossians 2:18-19
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
You sound like you have a heart for Him. Pray for wisdom. The Holy Spirit will teach you directly. There is no need to get upset. Christ died so we can be forgiven. Guilt prevents us from hearing Him clearly. Believe you are forgiven, and you will be able to "hear" the Almighty. Then do as He instructs. I'm sure you won't enter eternity as a minimalist.
This is false doctrine. Once we clearly understand that all the saints are in the Body of Christ WITHOUT DISTINCTIONS and all the saints will eventually become the Wife of the Lamb (perfected, glorified, and without spot, wrinkle or blemish) and that this all purely because of God's grace and Christ's finished work, then there cannot possibly be variations in the joys of the saints. That would be like saying that while you feed your body to nourish all of it, you will somehow favor one limb or organ over the others. Your body will simply not accept that kind of favoritism.
As to rewards, they will definitely vary, and some may even lose their rewards. But that is another matter altogether. And tied in with rewards will be degrees of responsibility in the Kingdom of God. Those who were consistently faithful will receive greater responsibilities, and those who were not will receive less. The parable of the Talents illustrates this. It is like a family where some children are given more responsibility and recognition for their contributions, but all are equally loved.
Furthermore, God has given us only glimpses of eternity and no man has the right or the authority to make claims about what will occur in eternity or what will not. So just disregard this nonsense, and contact whoever presented it and let them know that they have no scriptural basis for such false teaching.
As to rewards, they will definitely vary, and some may even lose their rewards. But that is another matter altogether. And tied in with rewards will be degrees of responsibility in the Kingdom of God. Those who were consistently faithful will receive greater responsibilities, and those who were not will receive less. The parable of the Talents illustrates this. It is like a family where some children are given more responsibility and recognition for their contributions, but all are equally loved.
Furthermore, God has given us only glimpses of eternity and no man has the right or the authority to make claims about what will occur in eternity or what will not. So just disregard this nonsense, and contact whoever presented it and let them know that they have no scriptural basis for such false teaching.
Right!! I remembered some of 1 Corinthians 12:12-27 and thought how could the Lord give one person more of a capacity of his love if we're all one body? The only thing that makes sense of suffering loss at the judgment seat is like you said: certain roles/positions, crowns, and maybe something else that he was saving for us (not sure) but it shouldn't ever be a loss of his LOVE and intimacy, that just sounds evil, especially because its for eternity.
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Thank you bro! My heart is still a bit overwhelmed and sad (I'm just detoxing from the horror I was feeling for the past couple days). I honestly thought (and the devil is trying to make me still think) that God would shrink his love, intimacy, and friendship with me down to a smaller capacity. God is my FATHER, I LOVE that dude. My heart is much better now and I just need to chill and relax.
I know that grace is unmerited love and favor and that is the kind of Love God has for us in Christ. We don't do anything to get God to love us. Grace comes from the one Who loves., not from us the ones who are being loved. God's love is somehow self motivated. I don't understand all there is to know about God's grace because we learn more about His love each day. Just when you think you have a clue., He goes and gives more and we stand amazed just like that old song says.
As far as rewards go., our job is to follow the Good Shepherd and allow Him to lead us according to the faith He gives us. We acknowledge Him in all our ways and He will direct our path. There is no guess work about it.
As we follow the Good Shepherd., we will be growing in the intimacy you are talking about.
It's impossible to please God without faith and that is what pleases Him above everything we do. Trusting what He says, believing He loves us despite our feelings at first to the contrary. The apostle John believed he was loved and talked about himself as "the apostle Jesus loved"
Faith grows the more we use it. And I've discovered the Holy Spirit adds to it faith upon faith. It's not sweaty and hard. It's resting. There is a rest for the people of God. And Jesus said to come and follow Him., His yoke is easy and His burden is light. It works!!
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The Bible says we will be like Jesus resurrected body. He is the first of many brethren. He has a body that transcends time and space. He was recognizable. We will not have sores on our new perfect bodies but Jesus will carry the marks on His body in His hands and feet and side as a testimony of what He did for us all through into eternity.
We will have new resurrected bodies too., The mortal will put on immortality and our bodies will be of the kind that do not perish. It's going to be an amazing thing to see and experience! And Jesus did it all for us because of the Love of God.
Bottomline, even for those saints left behind at the pre trib rapture event, He loves them too to get those lost sheep.
Seeking favoritism among other believers is kind of a vanity, is it not? We should be grateful & content that He loves us.
1 John 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.
How can anyone get a degree of love from that when no greater love than this, He who lays His life down for His friends? All of them?
Romans 8:[SUP]31 [/SUP]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?[SUP] 32 [/SUP]He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?[SUP] 33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.[SUP] 37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
[video=youtube;DXDGE_lRI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E[/video]
Seeking favoritism among other believers is kind of a vanity, is it not? We should be grateful & content that He loves us.
1 John 4:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We love him, because he first loved us.
How can anyone get a degree of love from that when no greater love than this, He who lays His life down for His friends? All of them?
Romans 8:[SUP]31 [/SUP]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?[SUP] 32 [/SUP]He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?[SUP] 33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?[SUP] 36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.[SUP] 37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.[SUP] 38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
[video=youtube;DXDGE_lRI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E[/video]
Jesus Christ in us is about as close and intimate any saved believer can be with God. Any rewards I believe we receive is going to be a part of our testimonies and our songs in what Christ has done for each of us and for others.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many......[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
We shall all sing songs for what Christ has done for us and for others, even for the ones left behind to receive later on after the great tribulation for He shall lose none of all the Father has given Him for He is our Good Shepherd.
Although we may have ten thousands reasons to sing for what the Lord has done for us individually, we shall also sing for what the Lord has done for others too. There are no degrees of joy. Joy is joy, and we shall all rejoice & glory in the Lord.
[video=youtube;DXDGE_lRI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E[/video]
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many......[SUP]25 [/SUP]That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
We shall all sing songs for what Christ has done for us and for others, even for the ones left behind to receive later on after the great tribulation for He shall lose none of all the Father has given Him for He is our Good Shepherd.
Although we may have ten thousands reasons to sing for what the Lord has done for us individually, we shall also sing for what the Lord has done for others too. There are no degrees of joy. Joy is joy, and we shall all rejoice & glory in the Lord.
[video=youtube;DXDGE_lRI0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E[/video]
I've not read those articles, as yet, and haven't read any other postings to OP, as yet either. Think, I've seen that Jonathan Edwards guy mentioned here in CC, but don't quote me on that!...lol
" Each one according to THEIR (NOT yours, not corporately, not your pastor's) faith!" Don't know about you, or y'all, but this aligns with your accusatory "tone", that larger containers, or acquiring, or earning, a larger container is a bad, evil, dark, wicked, something not to be desired, nor striven to grow to, or for. If every believer was this way? Why would the Father deem it necessary, to put forth this next, "up and coming" earth and heaven age, and not go straight to the Great White Throne Judgement?
The "parable of the talents" also comes to mind. The "parable of the Mustard Seed", also comes to mind. Would not a kind and gracious Heavenly Father, "see" that one of His children who has grown "out" of the "pot" they were initially "germinated" in, and "transplant" it into a larger "pot", so that one's growing may continue?
What I see in this "accusation:"......
"They are throwing in this "capacity" idea that each saint will have a fullness of joy but in larger or smaller capacities. According to them, the amount of rewards we get determines our capacity of joy, happiness, and relationship with God.".....If this is true, then, it bespeaks of a vanity! Which is not a good thing! Yet, this "fullness of joy", yada, yada, is just as full in a smaller pot, as it is in a larger pot. Methinks, where you are either confused, or attempting to confuse, is in this "fusing" the definition of the word "capacity" with the definition of the word "RESPONSIBILITY!"
This is an important point. If all the genuine saints have been washed and in the blood of the Lamb and clothed with His righteousness, then they all are the Body and Bride of Christ, and will finally become the Lamb's Wife. Salvation is by grace through faith, and all of God's children are elect and predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. This too is entirely by God's grace to unworthy sinners. God's ultimate plan for the Church is that He should be glorified through the perfection of the Church for all eternity.