Not By Works

[7seasrekeyed]

yes

snarkiness ill disguised is what this thread is really all about

or at least has become

I would just like to remind y'all it's a public forum and like someone just said

if my posts annoy you? just use the ignore button. I've certainly done that and I can attest to the usefulness of same

so instead of telling people to go post elsewhere, nicely disguised of course, just move on yourself

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am fully aware of that verse. By imitation alone, one does need Christ.

I would start a discussion with you about the 'works' but not now as I feel it would turn out to be argumentative rather than positive.

LOL!

what makes you think I want to discuss anything with someone who hides what they really are feeling by pretending to be nice?

ignore

 

[7seasrekeyed]

anyway Peter

like I said, I'm not taking sides

but I did notice how they seem to like to pick on you no matter what you say

so, apparently I've turned both barrels on myself but fixed it

I do admire your grace under fire

 

[TruthTalk]

You lived in Thailand? I know there is / are CC staff / s based in Thailand (maybe not anymore though, not sure). Do you happen to be that person?

And Thai food is the best. Seriously. Well, maybe second to Korean.

Hi AbigailZ, I was not a CC staff in Thailand. My wife and I sold our business in California and moved to Thailand in 2005, so that we could take care of my wife's Mom who was 80 years old at the time. We have since returned to Calif as of 2014. Amazing Thailand is beautiful and Thai food is so good and spicy. My wife's family owns a Thai restaurant where my wife is now a retired gourmet chief, God's providence, now I am delighted to eat homemade Thai food 3 times a day. Praise God he is so wonderful.
Thai food "A+".......

 

[AbigailZeke]

Thank you for raising the above.
Your post is spot on.

I can speak from experience given the above.

But oh for a church where we care and love each other, walk with each other
The tendency is to shoot our wounded rather than nurse them back to health.

I find it amazing that if a person who came to church who wasn't a believer and it became apparent they had an addiction, believers in the church give every effort we have to help and console them that God can work and heal them.

Yet there are believers in our church who struggle and for the same reasons, yet they feel they can't be honest and open up of fear of condemnation. That is why our fellow soldiers go missing in action.

It breaks my heart, it truly does.

Thanks for your great post.

Bill

This reminds me of something I've always wondered about which may better be expressed in a new thread but I guess I'll mention it.

I know someone who has an addiction. She's a believer going through a struggle. She wants to join the ministry.

Should the church let her serve while she hasn't overcome her addiction yet?

 

[preacher4truth]

There's this neat little thing called 'ignore'. If they use it, they won't see my posts.

#TaDa!!
#ProblemSolved

The person seems to be a newer member, with a disdain for Calvinists, and just a few days since joining?

Already knows you are one and took after you on that? Perhaps he's been here before, just a guess.

 

[Magenta]

This reminds me of something I've always wondered about which may better be expressed in a new thread but I guess I'll mention it.

I know someone who has an addiction. She's a believer going through a struggle. She wants to join the ministry.

Should the church let her serve while she hasn't overcome her addiction yet?

I would say she needs to get clean and sober first. I realize you did not ask me, but I have attended 12 step meetings for addiction for over thirty years now, though I did not get clean until I cried out to God for help with another problem, at which time I was directed to Narcotics Anonymous, and finally became willing to put down the mind and mood altering substances.

 

[dcontroversal]

Philippians 2

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 16Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. 17Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all. 18For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.


Did I just read this right? Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling...

Obey in my absence as you have in my presence...

Hold forth the word of life...

For it is GOD which works in you...

Is PeterJens an heretic?

Or is he not sharing similar things as written above?

No....you read it wrong.......work out does not mean work for.....surely you understand basic English.....

 

[AbigailZeke]

Hi AbigailZ, I was not a CC staff in Thailand. My wife and I sold our business in California and moved to Thailand in 2005, so that we could take care of my wife's Mom who was 80 years old at the time. We have since returned to Calif as of 2014. Amazing Thailand is beautiful and Thai food is so good and spicy. My wife's family owns a Thai restaurant where my wife is now a retired gourmet chief, God's providence, now I am delighted to eat homemade Thai food 3 times a day. Praise God he is so wonderful.
Thai food "A+".......

Ahh. That's amazing. Must be heaven everyday lol. There is a Thai store near my office that I go to but only on workdays. I'm not into spicy stuff but Thai food is an exception.

 

[dcontroversal]

Here's a Scripture to believe.

Let's let Jesus answer this question.

I'll even pull out the red letters on this one.

John 6:28Therefore they said to Him, “What must we do, that we may be doing the works of God?”

John 6:29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you should believe in Him whom He has sent.”

I am fairly confident that most English speaking people understand the difference between OUT and FOR......then again....maybe not.....

 

[dcontroversal]

There is good news GOD sent His Son that whosoever believes on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

By Grace Through Faith we are born again of an incorruptible seed that is subject to GOD's Law. We make the Messiah's Testimony our foundation and walk in the light. Loving and provoking each other to good works as we see the day approaching.

So until the last Trump where the mortal puts on the immortal we walk by the power and Grace of GOD.

By Christs blood our conscience is purged from dead works to serve the living GOD in Spirit and Truth.

Nice embellishment....I do not recall the verse you cited ending that way....Satan embellished the word in the garden....

 

[AbigailZeke]

I would say she needs to get clean and sober first. I realize you did not ask me, but I have attended 12 step meetings for addiction for over thirty years now, though I did not get clean until I cried out to God for help with another problem, at which time I was directed to Narcotics Anonymous, and finally became willing to put down the mind and mood altering substances.

Over thirty years. Wow. Glad to hear you overcame!

What if it takes her that long to get sober too? Or more? She might not be able to join the ministry ever. At least, that's what I think she's afraid of.

So I think this is just some of the consequences that she must bear or something?

 

[dcontroversal]

I will re-iterate once again, for the gazillionth time on this thread, that works do not gain our salvation. Works do not KEEP us saved. Works do not gain us access into heaven.

What's that, you say? You gave money to a bunch of charities? You babysat the neighbor's kid? You mowed or shoveled someone's lawn? All very nice things to do, BUT those good works won't do jack diddly for keeping you saved or earning you a ticket to heaven..

Good to see your sword brandished again....and swinging away for the truth......swish, swish, ching, ching, parry, thrust..

 

[dcontroversal]

Let me say I am in an adulterous relationship.
I understand that it is wrong, I believe in Jesus and carry on living the same way.

Some will say this is ok, they are saved just carnal.
I would say they are an unrepentant sinner who claims spiritual understanding but
has yet to claim Jesus as their Lord.

Or a believer falls in love with another woman while married.
They have left the faith if they act upon these feelings and need to repent.

Sorting out ones heart and emotions is part of repentance and discipleship.
Yet some believe it is actually pointless, just something that is good idea but not essential.

Now sin is not a debt just paid for, so you can do what you like with no consequences.
It seems some think this is exactly what the situation is.

And according to the Corinthian letter and the brother committing fornication you would be wrong in your assessment......nothing new with you though......!

 

[dcontroversal]

I think posting vids, that seem to mock other Christians, is also insulting, do you?

Did not Elijah under inspiration use sarcasm directed at the prophets of Baal?

Sarcasm is not necessarily evil and or contrary to the bible........

 

[TruthTalk]

snarkiness ill disguised is what this thread is really all about[/U]

or at least has become,

I would just like to remind y'all it's a public forum and like someone just said

if my posts annoy you? just use the ignore button. I've certainly done that and I can attest to the usefulness of same

so instead of telling people to go post elsewhere, nicely disguised of course, just move on yourself

Just in the short time you have been on this thread you have complained, complained, complained. To much cynicism, to much criticism, and to much pride. It is time to say good bye have a nice life and put you on ignore.

You should pay heed to your own advice and, "just move on"

 

[dcontroversal]

oh that's good

then you agree with every single poster here

no one has said works save you or keep you saved

no one

seems you either need to read more of the thread or are you just doing cameos?

Sure they have........anyone who teaches it can be lost and MUST be maintained or kept by what one does or does not do = a vanilla twist café blend pseudo working for salvation.....maybe take your own bolded advice

 

[eternally-gratefull]

a question- getting drunk is s sin. so, if someone says that they are a believer, but still struggles with drunkenness, is that person a willful unsaved sinner, or are they a true believer struggling with a addictive sin ( or the flesh, however you want to phrase it ).

how would you know the difference?

Just gotta love how these workers like to focus on the "big sins" maybe thats part of their problem, they are so busy focusing on the big sins, they are not able to see their own sins?

It is easy to do, I have never killed, I di not do drugs, I am loyal to my wife. I do not watch porn. Much like th epharisee did when he considered himself righteous according to the law.

Yet when they went to judge the sinner, And they were themselves confronted (let he who has no sin cast the first stone) They all dropped their stones, because deep inside, they knew they were guilty.

They focused on the girls "Big Sin" yet God focused on all sin.

When people start pushing these big sin issues, I think we should all respond as jesus did, Let your who have no sin cast the first stone. Then see who still is judging, at which point, we know we can ignore them, because they are not honest with themselves. Let alone with others.

 

[loveme1]

No....you read it wrong.......work out does not mean work for.....surely you understand basic English.....

I don't believe it means to work out... in the sense work for your salvation... though I believe we are to love and obey our Lord through Faith and do His works.. All is through Faith.

Faith that worketh by love.

I have been looking up Imputed Righteousness theology a little.. we have theology head to head.. Protestants v Catholics seem to come up..

i can now see where so many stand...

 

[Magenta]

Over thirty years. Wow. Glad to hear you overcame!

What if it takes her that long to get sober too? Or more? She might not be able to join the ministry ever. At least, that's what I think she's afraid of.

So I think this is just some of the consequences that she must bear or something?

Oh, I am sorry, it is almost thirty years, but I did attend a few AA meetings with friends before, having no idea what was up with them chain smoking and gulping coffee like there was no tomorrow LOL. I started going to meetings for myself in 1988, mostly emotions anonymous at first, but also AA just to listen to people share about their struggles and challenges in life. For the longest time I could not hear the solution, and when they read the literature, it was like Charlie Brown's teacher talking gibberish. Plus, I was not willing to put down the substances, until the miracle happened after crying out to the God I was not even sure was real, for help with a pattern I recognized in my life, that was causing me a great deal of pain and suffering. Of course it was sin, but not being a believer etc I could not see it that way, and in fact, it took many years after I first got clean and sober to fully surrender my life to God. Many are unaware of the fact that that 12 step program was originally designed to help people re-establish and maintain a personal relationship with God. By the grace of God, I first got clean in 1994