Sabbath

[LoveGodForever]

Shabbat shalom to all , especially those aleady there, you know, down under. I remember Perth and the first US astronaut, Darwin from my friends from there on the Kibbutz, and of course the opera house of Sidney...
May all have a wonderful Sabbath when you are celeb5rating it. I will, praise Yah, amen.

Hello Good friend JaumeJ, so good to see you still here my friend. When were you in Australia and where are you now? I have traveled much but mainly through S.E. Asia. God is great and his presence is my peace. His Sabbath is His rest and ours to be with him who loves us.

 

[LoveGodForever]

sorry double post

 

[JaumeJ]

My travelhas been in Europe, America, and Asia Minor..part of Asia also. I am familiar with Australia by those friends on the Kibbutz in Israel. They were from Darwin, and they recounted somewonderful tales of life in that part of Austrailia. Other than that I know about Austrailia from reading and videos. It is an incredible terrain with incredible people, but then our Father made people tobe so. Now for them to aim their works to Him always....

Hello Good friend JaumeJ, so good to see you still here my friend. When were you in Australia and where are you now? I have traveled much but mainly through S.E. Asia. God is great and his presence is my peace. His Sabbath is His rest and ours to be with him who loves us.

 

[Karraster]

Written over 20 years after Christ came, was crucified and resurrected. So, the Sabbath still points to, is a shadow of something to come. What could that be? Oh wait, I know, this is a shadow of the coming Millennium and Kingdom of God.

By the way, I've posted this several times but it seems to never go out of style...

What Was "Nailed to the Cross"?

Since all scripture is given by the inspiration of God so that Christians should be complete (2 Timothy 3:16-17), it is wise to look at more than one verse to determine what, for example, was nailed to the stake (for details, see What is the Origin of the Cross as a 'Christian' Symbol?), which many believe was a cross.
There is only one only scripture that uses the "nailed it to the cross" expression (AV/NKJ), it is Colossians 2:13-14, in which Paul states,

13 "And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. 14 And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".
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We will look at what it does and does not say.
First though, let's look at what the last chapter of the last book of the Bible teaches:

14 "Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14, NKJV throughout unless otherwise noted).
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Since it is only "those who do His commandments...{who} have the right to enter...the city" (Revelation 22:14), the ten commandments could not be "contrary to us." Actually, it is only those who will not keep the ten commandments that are denied access. Revelation specifically shows that those who break one of at least four of the ten commandments will be outside God's city (Revelation 22:15).
So then, if the Ten Commandments were not "nailed to the cross" (see also Were the Ten Commandments Nailed to the Cross?) what was?
Look again at what the Bible actually says (two translations):

14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NKJV)
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.. (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
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The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the stake, which some call a cross (see also What is the Origin of the Cross as a 'Christian' Symbol?).
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
Even some Protestant commentators realize this is so. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:

Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
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In addition, let us look at the Greek term exaleipho translated as "wiped out" in Colossians 2:14:

NT:1813
exaleipho (ex-al-i'-fo); from NT:1537 and NT:218; to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin) (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

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In other words, exaleipho has to do with wiping out sin. This is also confirmed in Acts 3:19 where Peter also uses the term exaleipho, which is translated as "blotted out" below:

19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
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Hence, it is sin and the related penalties that are to be blotted or wiped out. And the penalties could vary from "being unclean to the evening" (Leviticus 11:24-28) to making an offering (Leviticus 5:5-6) to being "cut off from his people" (Leviticus 7:27) to the death penalty (Exodus 31:14).
This is also confirmed elsewhere in the New Testament:

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).
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The curse of the law is related to the penalty. And Jesus paid it (more on Galatians can be found in the article Comments on Galatians).
But what about the law of God? Was the law of God to be wiped out? No:

17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17)
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While some erroneously think that Jesus, for example, did away with the Ten Commandments by how He led His life, that most certainly was not the view of the early Christians who continued to keep them (see also The Ten Commandments and the Early Church).
Furthermore, remember that the Bible clearly teaches that sin is lawlessness:

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (1I John 3:4-5).
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Notice that Paul wrote:

1 Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! 2 How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? (Romans 6:1-2).
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Thus the New Testament makes clear that the law of God continues, thus it was not nailed to the cross or somehow wiped out.
The Bible, however, also shows that the requirements of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 9:1,6-10) sometimes called the law, which were part of the penalty of sin, were blotted out.
And why?

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins...10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all (Hebrews 10:4,10).
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Jesus' one sacrifice was and is sufficient--we do not have to sacrifice animals any more!
Another requirement (which is related) would be the death penalty of sin, as "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23) or other specific ceremonial penalties associated with the Old Testament statutes (such as making a sin offering, being put outside the camp, or washing).
For those who wish to look them up, perhaps most of the statutes in the Old Testament are listed in the following chapters: Exodus 20-24; Leviticus 16-27; Numbers 18-19, 27-30, 35-36; and Deuteronomy 12-18. - Dr. Robert Thiel

Thank you for posting this!

 

[JaumeJ]

I saved your morning (here) blessing for the Sabbath and listened to it just now. You are the first person I have heard who also equates our Father's commandments with being promises. I also believe teh laws remaining are also promises. One in particular, though all count is "You will be perfect for I am perfect." This is His command tht taught me His laws and commandments are truly promises as well as eprfect wisdom.

Thank you for sharing this pearl so valuable to all. God bless you always..

 

[LoveGodForever]

I saved your morning (here) blessing for the Sabbath and listened to it just now. You are the first person I have heard who also equates our Father's commandments with being promises. I also believe teh laws remaining are also promises. One in particular, though all count is "You will be perfect for I am perfect." This is His command tht taught me His laws and commandments are truly promises as well as eprfect wisdom.

Thank you for sharing this pearl so valuable to all. God bless you always..

Absolutely Jack!

In the beginning God's Law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Jesus. It shows us who we are just as God sees us full of sin and shame because this is our nature we cannot escape it. It is indeed the sickness that Jesus talks about when he says they that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We are those that are undone with the sickness of sin and why the Apostle says this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance the Christ Jesus has come into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief because these are they who Jesus has come to save.

Before we have the commandment showing us our filthy rags just as our heavenly farther sees us showing us the penalty for sin leading us to God's Love for us because he is not willing that any of us should perish and be lost from his love for us. It is only here when we see ourselves as God sees us that we can die to our own righteousness in trying to save ourselves and give up to completely rely on Jesus (God's Word) to save us from our sickness of sin. Jesus knows we cannot save ourselves who can pull a clean thing out of an unclean not one. Likewise how can you being evil do good things? Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. It is only sinners that Jesus has come to save and the Law of God is our mirror and schoolmaster teaching us that we cannot save ourselves. It is here we arrive at the pool of Bethesda where Jesus says; Wilt thou be made whole? We must see our righteousness as God sees it and answer Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steps down before me. Jesus will then say to us Rise, take up thy bed, and walk and like the man of Bethesda if we believe God's Word
will be made whole, and take up our bed, and walk in the Spirit that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us through faith that works by love.

Holding out our hand reaching for Jesus like the blind man, the lame and like the women who said "If I can just touch his garment I shall be healed. These all knew they were sick and that there was nothing they could do in their own strength to save themselves. They stretched out the hand of faith reaching for Jesus and believed the Word of God only and received healing from their sickness.

Just as the sick who Jesus came to heal our great Physician holds out his hand to us that can see they have the sickness of sin. Just as those that were sick before us if we completely rely and believe the Word of God only to do what it says it will do God's grace will work in us to save us. His Word is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. This is the Sabbath truth that teaches us that we worship the God of creation who recreates us as we have faith in the power of His Word through love. By grace are you saved through faith and not of ourselves it is God's gift to us as we believe His Word.

Wherefore are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises that by these ye may be made a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him by complete dependence and faith so are we to walk in him.

Now the commandments that brought us to Jesus are his exceeding great and precious promises that by these we might become a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him we now walk in him and he in us. We now walk by faith (in God's Word) not by sight. Faith is the victory that overcomes the World through love. This is the victory the overcomes the World and to him that overcomes Jesus says will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death because they overcame by their faith in God's Word the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; because they loved not their lives unto the death. To him be the power and the glory forever and ever Amen.

God bless you all in love and joy and peace in the Holy Ghost!

 

[JaumeJ]

Thank you for the sharing of truth here. It is a lot to read but my helps are here at hand, praise Jesus.

The meniiton of filthy rags and all the parts devoted to us needing to be healed are like rain on wet ground with me, yet, your mantion of the man at the fountain of Bethesda gave new understanding for me, as I understand you already know. Those troubled waters are when we face the trials and tribulations of this world, without Jesus we could never accomplish overcoming them.

The great light shown when you mentioned the woman, sick, saying "If I could but touch the hem of His garment I will bhealed."
His garment! His perfect deeds! If we but touch the hem of His graments, that is do as His perfect works have given us the Example, we too will be healed. Let us endeavor to touch the hem of His garment by doing as He did to give us His Healing and Salvation,. I pray you understand my inadequae words....I believe you do. All blessings in Jesus christ.......j

Absolutely Jack!

In the beginning God's Law is the schoolmaster to bring us to Jesus. It shows us who we are just as God sees us full of sin and shame because this is our nature we cannot escape it. It is indeed the sickness that Jesus talks about when he says they that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We are those that are undone with the sickness of sin and why the Apostle says this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance the Christ Jesus has come into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief because these are they who Jesus has come to save.

Before we have the commandment showing us our filthy rags just as our heavenly farther sees us showing us the penalty for sin leading us to God's Love for us because he is not willing that any of us should perish and be lost from his love for us. It is only here when we see ourselves as God sees us that we can die to our own righteousness in trying to save ourselves and give up to completely rely on Jesus (God's Word) to save us from our sickness of sin. Jesus knows we cannot save ourselves who can pull a clean thing out of an unclean not one. Likewise how can you being evil do good things? Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. It is only sinners that Jesus has come to save and the Law of God is our mirror and schoolmaster teaching us that we cannot save ourselves. It is here we arrive at the pool of Bethesda where Jesus says; Wilt thou be made whole? We must see our righteousness as God sees it and answer Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steps down before me. Jesus will then say to us Rise, take up thy bed, and walk and like the man of Bethesda if we believe God's Word
will be made whole, and take up our bed, and walk in the Spirit that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us through faith that works by love.

Holding out our hand reaching for Jesus like the blind man, the lame and like the women who said "If I can just touch his garment I shall be healed. These all knew they were sick and that there was nothing they could do in their own strength to save themselves. They stretched out the hand of faith reaching for Jesus and believed the Word of God only and received healing from their sickness.

Just as the sick who Jesus came to heal our great Physician holds out his hand to us that can see they have the sickness of sin. Just as those that were sick before us if we completely rely and believe the Word of God only to do what it says it will do God's grace will work in us to save us. His Word is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. This is the Sabbath truth that teaches us that we worship the God of creation who recreates us as we have faith in the power of His Word through love. By grace are you saved through faith and not of ourselves it is God's gift to us as we believe His Word.

Wherefore are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises that by these ye may be made a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him by complete dependence and faith so are we to walk in him.

Now the commandments that brought us to Jesus are his exceeding great and precious promises that by these we might become a partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust and as we have received him we now walk in him and he in us. We now walk by faith (in God's Word) not by sight. Faith is the victory that overcomes the World through love. This is the victory the overcomes the World and to him that overcomes Jesus says will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death because they overcame by their faith in God's Word the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; because they loved not their lives unto the death. To him be the power and the glory forever and ever Amen.

God bless you all in love and joy and peace in the Holy Ghost!

 

[JaumeJ]

From my post below, I went to my Sabbath reading an lo, look at the very first line.......

10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for He hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, He hath covered me with the robe of victory, as a bridegroom putteth on a priestly diadem, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Thank you for the sharing of truth here. It is a lot to read but my helps are here at hand, praise Jesus.

The meniiton of filthy rags and all the parts devoted to us needing to be healed are like rain on wet ground with me, yet, your mantion of the man at the fountain of Bethesda gave new understanding for me, as I understand you already know. Those troubled waters are when we face the trials and tribulations of this world, without Jesus we could never accomplish overcoming them.

The great light shown when you mentioned the woman, sick, saying "If I could but touch the hem of His garment I will bhealed."
His garment! His perfect deeds! If we but touch the hem of His graments, that is do as His perfect works have given us the Example, we too will be healed. Let us endeavor to touch the hem of His garment by doing as He did to give us His Healing and Salvation,. I pray you understand my inadequae words....I believe you do. All blessings in Jesus christ.......j

 

[loveme1]

Glory to Heavenly Father and Yahshua our Lord and Saviour that we are at liberty to love and obey....by the Grace of our GOD the Most High.

It is lawful to do good said the Good Shepherd to His flock.

 

[Grandpa]

Galatians 2:21 [FONT=&quot]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 10:2-4
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Righteousness. Being right with God. Obviously must include obedience. Can't be right with God without obedience.

Romans 10:19-21
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[FONT=&quot]19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Israel was in a trap of their own making. People who try to work at the law, the 10 commandments, put themselves into the same trap.

The only way you can even know it is a trap is to come to Christ, to be pulled out of it. If you have been pulled out of the trap you aren't supposed to willingly put yourself back into it.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

We're not going to provoke Israel to jealousy by our work at the law. We're going to provoke Israel to jealousy by being Righteous without the deeds of the law.

Romans 9:30-32
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[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

I suppose if you are so intent on emulating the children of disobedience you don't really want to hear this. In the pride of your own mind you think you can work at Gods Perfect Law and do a better job at it then Israel?

It seems like we read different bibles, doesn't it??? Our understandings are so different.[/FONT]

 

[JaumeJ]

It is a very good and helpful way if when teaching the Word one studies and includes all of the Word. We must all practice this, for the Word, accompanied by the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ from Genesis to the final amen of Revelation.

 

[loveme1]

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 10:2-4
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Righteousness. Being right with God. Obviously must include obedience. Can't be right with God without obedience.

Romans 10:19-21

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Israel was in a trap of their own making. People who try to work at the law, the 10 commandments, put themselves into the same trap.

The only way you can even know it is a trap is to come to Christ, to be pulled out of it. If you have been pulled out of the trap you aren't supposed to willingly put yourself back into it.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

We're not going to provoke Israel to jealousy by our work at the law. We're going to provoke Israel to jealousy by being Righteous without the deeds of the law.

Romans 9:30-32

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

I suppose if you are so intent on emulating the children of disobedience you don't really want to hear this. In the pride of your own mind you think you can work at Gods Perfect Law and do a better job at it then Israel?

It seems like we read different bibles, doesn't it??? Our understandings are so different.

Gramps will you ever see that we are not married to the dead Husband but the New who loves us and we love Him by Keeping the Commandments.. if we do it not in Faith then we are dead in our trespasses.. but with our New heart where His Law be upon we Love as we are loved?

Those condemned are those not in the Faith of Christ.. all here Believe and are at liberty to Keep the Commandments.

There is no condemnation when we are in Christ my dear.

If you believe not then judge no man as we judge no man for not.. but only adhere to His Testimony.

We all will come before Christ to be judged.. and by the Royal law we are to live and not judge.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Gramps will you ever see that we are not married to the dead Husband but the New who loves us and we love Him by Keeping the Commandments.. if we do it not in Faith then we are dead in our trespasses.. but with our New heart where His Law be upon we Love as we are loved?

Those condemned are those not in the Faith of Christ.. all here Believe and are at liberty to Keep the Commandments.

There is no condemnation when we are in Christ my dear.

If you believe not then judge no man as we judge no man for not.. but only adhere to His Testimony.

We all will come before Christ to be judged.. and by the Royal law we are to live and not judge.

What is faith and if there is evidence what does it look like? My evidence is evident and even worn out side, as well as in. Truthfully I say to my Christian friends and acquaintances I don't condemn you for not being 100% compliant with the Instruction of God. In fact we all are at different places in our race. Remember however that we don't compete against each other, rather we all work together against sin. Whatever you believe know if it is contradictory to the ten commandments or any word in the Torah for sure or the testimony of Messiah we can be sure error has crept in to that belief. We know for example that a person can only repent once, and only needs to once. I'm not saying however to stop confessing our sins to each other. We do this so we may cease from sinning whenever possible. If we do sin we Do have a mediator between God the Father and us but not so sin increases!
Love is not forceful and the prophets of God have given their testimonies as well. If we don't believe that the Word of God testified that Sabbath is important to us in Messiah you would think that Messiah is giving it back to who it is meant for and taking it from who loves him not. Clearly we are going to get what our heart's desire for it is the testimony of scripture. Whether you trust your judgement or God's, trust his heart or yours, or understand that Yahshua is the word made flesh and not only does the law of God but his testimony is greater than Moses because he is before. It is also command of Elohim to teach the commands to your children. Being we are the Children of God if we are in Messiah, wouldn't he teach to keep the Sabbath day by doing it. Anyway the deciples followed Messiah and as his student would even groom as him he wanted to be so much like his master that you couldn't tell the difference between them. In fact we have been brought to believe that is why the one who betrayed him had to kiss him on the cheek, so the soldiers would know which one is the leader. Also I would be missing the point of Sabbath it I had not continued In mercy. Remember the Sabbath day and keep the feasts, not as sinners under the law but the redeemed of God through the Messiah Yahshua.

Shalom in Messiah John Talmid

 

[loveme1]

What is faith and if there is evidence what does it look like? My evidence is evident and even worn out side, as well as in. Truthfully I say to my Christian friends and acquaintances I don't condemn you for not being 100% compliant with the Instruction of God. In fact we all are at different places in our race. Remember however that we don't compete against each other, rather we all work together against sin. Whatever you believe know if it is contradictory to the ten commandments or any word in the Torah for sure or the testimony of Messiah we can be sure error has crept in to that belief. We know for example that a person can only repent once, and only needs to once. I'm not saying however to stop confessing our sins to each other. We do this so we may cease from sinning whenever possible. If we do sin we Do have a mediator between God the Father and us but not so sin increases!
Love is not forceful and the prophets of God have given their testimonies as well. If we don't believe that the Word of God testified that Sabbath is important to us in Messiah you would think that Messiah is giving it back to who it is meant for and taking it from who loves him not. Clearly we are going to get what our heart's desire for it is the testimony of scripture. Whether you trust your judgement or God's, trust his heart or yours, or understand that Yahshua is the word made flesh and not only does the law of God but his testimony is greater than Moses because he is before. It is also command of Elohim to teach the commands to your children. Being we are the Children of God if we are in Messiah, wouldn't he teach to keep the Sabbath day by doing it. Anyway the deciples followed Messiah and as his student would even groom as him he wanted to be so much like his master that you couldn't tell the difference between them. In fact we have been brought to believe that is why the one who betrayed him had to kiss him on the cheek, so the soldiers would know which one is the leader. Also I would be missing the point of Sabbath it I had not continued In mercy. Remember the Sabbath day and keep the feasts, not as sinners under the law but the redeemed of God through the Messiah Yahshua.

Shalom in Messiah John Talmid

John forgive me but I don't understand why you speak this to me?

We we have a New Covenant with GOD with a New High Priest. Now the Messiah was not levite so under the law of Moses was not to be a Priest.. therefor there is a New Law of Faith where through Christ we are under Grace not to sin but to walk in the Spirit which is subject to GOD's Law. The New heart of flesh with GOD's Law is inside us and yes it is the 10 Commandments which when one Loves GOD with all their being and each other not one is broken..

We are grafted in to the True vine Which is the Messiah by the Good Husband GOD in belief of His Son. We are made new inwardly because our branches are given the Goodness of the Root they are part of.. we continue to believe unto the saving of our Souls growing in Grace and Knowledge of Christ bearing His fruit through our branches.. Love and Truth of GOD through His Son.

I have not seen Christ with my eyes outwardly but see, hear and feel Him from within by GOD's Grace.. the description given of His New appearance my imagination could not behold enough of the Glory to do justice.. but a little insights warms my inwards with joy.


My children are growing and I teach them knowing that GOD will work His power if they believe.. true babes in Christ.... one is already bold to be loyal to His GOD and offends at the ideas of the world.. even outraged that someone proposed the idea what if Christ was not born.. which person from another religion would we look to.. GOD forbid but no lie prospers when GOD is believed.

The more I learn the more I know we are the Children of GOD through Christ. Spoilt ungrateful people that had to learn the hard way.. but GOD always Had a plan for us and Love, Truth and obedience is paramount.

 

[DiscipleDave]

The change to the New Covenant is the fulfilment of the prophetic laws of Moses which included much of the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws pertaining to burnt offerings, meat and drink offerings and all the annual Jewish festivals that where prophetic in nature teaching God’s people the plan of salvation and the coming of the New Covenant we have in Jesus.


God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar role in the Old Covenant as it does in the New Covenant and that is to point out sin and the standard of God’s righteousness.

(1) God’s Law point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.
(Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14)

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and were nailed to the cross with our sins because they are now fulfilled. Now that Jesus is here we are under the New Covenant. Jesus is our Passover and the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world and as no longer need to provide burnt offerings when we sin to seek forgiveness.

(Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29;
Hebrew Chapters 8; 9; 10; 2Cor 5:6-7)

It is the laws of Moses that are nailed to the cross (Col 2:14) not the 10 commandments (James 2:8-12)

Jam 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

This includes God’s 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath.

In Christ Always!

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The Apostle John plainly tells us what His Commandments are. Are you saying there is MORE than what He says?

Listen people. Do not believe people who teach things contrary to sound doctrine, they believe and teach false doctrines, doctrines that contradict plain Scriptures. If a person believes on Jesus AND Love One Another, they ARE in fact, according to Scriptures "Keeping His Commandments" EXACTLY as Scriptures teaches above. Don't listen to Anyone who tries to teach you otherwise, they are not of God. Anyone who teaches things contrary to Scriptures is not of God.

Again Scriptures PLAINLY teaches what "HIS COMMANDMENTS" Are.

Men teach they are the 10 commandments which were given to Israel under the OLD covenant.
Scriptures teach they are 1) Believe Jesus (Faith) AND 2) Love One Another (Works) Do those two things and YOU ARE KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS. Don't let false teachers teach you otherwise.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i have read the entire Bible front to back over 80 times and sayest thou to me, i do not know the Word? That is like unto a person telling you do not understand that Movie because I have seen it four times to a person who has watched it 80 times. i read the entire Bible 3 times before i was 12 years old. If you were to ask anyone who knows me personally, they would all tell you that they do not know a person who knows the Bible more. If i am bragging it is because you have provoked me to do so. But what better bragging can there be then reading and breathing and eating the Word of God. i Love it, I LIVE IT. What kind of prophet would i be if God did not reveal to me the understanding of the Word of God, which i was born to teach to a people who would reject it?

Continued…
Ok. So you are a prophet? So out of curiosity what makes you believe you are a prophet?

If i tell you the TRUTH, how shall this generation not see it as boasting, or prideful, or arrogant? But since you asked, i will tell you the Truth of it.

i have had many conversations with God in my 20's. i have spoke with Angels of God, i have had dreams and visions of the future and what is going to happen. i understand Scriptures. i have (through Jesus) performed miracles {asking Jesus to bring someone back to life, and He did it) i do all things to please Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. ALL THINGS, that is to say i do not obey any temptations that satan or his minions throw at me. i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin against my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. i hate sin, i even abhor it. i am what i am, because God made me that way. He told me to teach to this generation who would in no wise believe it, but so that this generation has no cloak for their sinning, i tell you the TRUTH and you will not be able to plead to Jesus on Judgement Day, that "I didn't know, Lord" For verily i have told you the TRUTH and you reject it.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Muzungu256]

If i tell you the TRUTH, how shall this generation not see it as boasting, or prideful, or arrogant? But since you asked, i will tell you the Truth of it.

i have had many conversations with God in my 20's. i have spoke with Angels of God, i have had dreams and visions of the future and what is going to happen. i understand Scriptures. i have (through Jesus) performed miracles {asking Jesus to bring someone back to life, and He did it) i do all things to please Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. ALL THINGS, that is to say i do not obey any temptations that satan or his minions throw at me. i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin against my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. i hate sin, i even abhor it. i am what i am, because God made me that way. He told me to teach to this generation who would in no wise believe it, but so that this generation has no cloak for their sinning, i tell you the TRUTH and you will not be able to plead to Jesus on Judgement Day, that "I didn't know, Lord" For verily i have told you the TRUTH and you reject it.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

what a humble man............

 

[LoveGodForever]

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

The Apostle John plainly tells us what His Commandments are. Are you saying there is MORE than what He says?
Listen people. Do not believe people who teach things contrary to sound doctrine, they believe and teach false doctrines, doctrines that contradict plain Scriptures. If a person believes on Jesus AND Love One Another, they ARE in fact, according to Scriptures "Keeping His Commandments" EXACTLY as Scriptures teaches above. Don't listen to Anyone who tries to teach you otherwise, they are not of God. Anyone who teaches things contrary to Scriptures is not of God.
Again Scriptures PLAINLY teaches what "HIS COMMANDMENTS" Are. Men teach they are the 10 commandments which were given to Israel under the OLD covenant. Scriptures teach they are 1) Believe Jesus (Faith) AND 2) Love One Another (Works) Do those two things and YOU ARE KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS. Don't let false teachers teach you otherwise.

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Beware as men will come to you as wolves in sheep's clothing not sparing the flock

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and life only comes from every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. However God's ways are not our ways. Heavenly father tells us as the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. Only God knows our heart from within and without him it is desperately wicked. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. The eyes can see and the ears hear only as the Spirit of God opens them. Ask and it shall be given you seek and you shall find. If any man hear his voice, knock and the door shall be opened unto you.

As there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. The false Gospel is the one that separates the 10 commandments from grace indeed because it is the 10 that show us who we are; sinners in need of a Savior. It is also the 10 that bare witness with our Spirit that we are the sons and the daughters of the God of creation Jesus. It is a sign that we worship the Lord of the Sabbath the creator of all things in Heaven and earth. As he lives in us and we in him his Word says here are they that keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus. Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him but who every keeps his word, in him truly is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. Love is the fulfilling of the Law as he walks in us ans we in him. He must increase we must decrease. He is the Word.

In Christ Always!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i believe God's Word, i just don't believe mens word which teaches things that God's Word does not teach. For example Jesus nor any Apostle EVER taught us Christians to keep the Sabbath. That is what men of the last day teach, trying to add extra burdens to the servants of the Lord.

Then why do you not believe God’s 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment which is the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath? Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man over the Word of God. Did you hear what the Catholic Church says about Sunday Worship?

i do not care what the Catholic Church says, i only care what Scriptures teach and what God reveals to me. i believe everyone should keep the Sabbath, NOT because it is a commandment, NOT because a person MUST do that, NOT because it is Required for one to do to be SAVED.

Saturday or Sunday or Monday, who cares as long as they are doing it for the Lord.

Disciple "Lord they casting out demons in your name and they are not Christians, should we condemn them?"
Jesus "condemn them not, anyone who is casting out demons in my name is not against me"

So what if a person decides to keep Sunday Holy to the Lord
So what if a person decides to keep Saturday Holy to the Lord
So what if a person decides to keep Monday Holy to the Lord

It is to the Lord Jesus Christ they keep it Holy. If someone keeps Monday Holy to Jesus Christ are they now against Christ? Would you condemn them because they are not keeping it on a day that YOU think they should?
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep Saturday Holy to Him? NO
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep Sunday Holy to Him? NO
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep any day HOLY to Him? The answer is NO.
Stop quibbling about this or that, and be thankful they are keeping any day Holy to Him. This brings to mind the verse swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

Love One Another, not condemn them.

Do instructions to Christians teach that "His Commandments" are the 10 commandments, NO. The instructions to Christians plainly teach us what His Commandments are, and they are 1) believe on Jesus AND 2) Love One another. Do those TWO things are You ARE keeping His Commandments.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

i do not care what the Catholic Church says, i only care what Scriptures teach and what God reveals to me. i believe everyone should keep the Sabbath, NOT because it is a commandment, NOT because a person MUST do that, NOT because it is Required for one to do to be SAVED.
Saturday or Sunday or Monday, who cares as long as they are doing it for the Lord.
Disciple "Lord they casting out demons in your name and they are not Christians, should we condemn them?"
Jesus "condemn them not, anyone who is casting out demons in my name is not against me"
So what if a person decides to keep Sunday Holy to the Lord
So what if a person decides to keep Saturday Holy to the Lord
So what if a person decides to keep Monday Holy to the Lord
It is to the Lord Jesus Christ they keep it Holy. If someone keeps Monday Holy to Jesus Christ are they now against Christ? Would you condemn them because they are not keeping it on a day that YOU think they should?
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep Saturday Holy to Him? NO
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep Sunday Holy to Him? NO
Does Jesus instruct Christians to keep any day HOLY to Him? The answer is NO.
Stop quibbling about this or that, and be thankful they are keeping any day Holy to Him. This brings to mind the verse swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.
Love One Another, not condemn them.
Do instructions to Christians teach that "His Commandments" are the 10 commandments, NO. The instructions to Christians plainly teach us what His Commandments are, and they are 1) believe on Jesus AND 2) Love One another. Do those TWO things are You ARE keeping His Commandments.

Friend,

You are free to believe as you like. I do not judge you. As Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. We must believe God's Word over the teaching's of man. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man breaking the commandments of God. Who should we follow God or man? Should we follow man over the Word of God? God forbid; yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

James 2:8-12
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:2-4
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

In Christ Always!