Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017
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Rev 12:1-2 is "unbiblical nonsense"?
It is not astrology. But naysayers always make it a point to use that word to discredit people who understand that God's word is written in the stars.
What is "incorrect" about it, other than you choose not to believe it? Do you know anything about the astronomy of it?
And who on here is predicting "the end"?
Preterism (or partial preterism) is bad eschatology.
You cannot say it's an embarrassment for Christ. It's an embarrassment for you because you don't believe it.
There are many critics out there. Search a little and you'll find many web articles and YouTube videos "debunking" the Rev 12:1-2 sign. It doesn't mean they're right. Most of their articles and videos are full of holes, and I've seen a lot of them.
You very well might see us on the 24th. Rev 12:1-2 is a sign, and signs precede things. Those who are predicting with certainty that the church will be raptured on the 23rd should not be doing so. WE DO NOT KNOW. But to dismiss it all, write it off as astrology, sensationalism, a conspiracy plot, or an embarrassment is just as bad, IMO.
It is not astrology. But naysayers always make it a point to use that word to discredit people who understand that God's word is written in the stars.
What is "incorrect" about it, other than you choose not to believe it? Do you know anything about the astronomy of it?
And who on here is predicting "the end"?
Preterism (or partial preterism) is bad eschatology.
You cannot say it's an embarrassment for Christ. It's an embarrassment for you because you don't believe it.
There are many critics out there. Search a little and you'll find many web articles and YouTube videos "debunking" the Rev 12:1-2 sign. It doesn't mean they're right. Most of their articles and videos are full of holes, and I've seen a lot of them.
You very well might see us on the 24th. Rev 12:1-2 is a sign, and signs precede things. Those who are predicting with certainty that the church will be raptured on the 23rd should not be doing so. WE DO NOT KNOW. But to dismiss it all, write it off as astrology, sensationalism, a conspiracy plot, or an embarrassment is just as bad, IMO.
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We know...
All you had to say was - "my fingers slipped on the keyboard while typing '24', ending up with '35' instead"...
"It happens..."
You know you can actually ( most probably, if they are 'normal' keyboards ) rinse those keyboards if you have to - right? Just let them very thoroughly dry out before hooking them back up.
All you had to say was - "my fingers slipped on the keyboard while typing '24', ending up with '35' instead"...
"It happens..."
You know you can actually ( most probably, if they are 'normal' keyboards ) rinse those keyboards if you have to - right? Just let them very thoroughly dry out before hooking them back up.
And yet none of us seems scared to me...but rather watchful, hopeful, wondering. No one has gone off the deep end here that I can see.
And as far as I have seen, no one here is as certain that something of significance could happen on Sept 23 as you are certain it could not. So the certainty is more on your end than anyone elses end.
And as far as I have seen, no one here is as certain that something of significance could happen on Sept 23 as you are certain it could not. So the certainty is more on your end than anyone elses end.
I'm just curious, Ahwatukee -- which one of the following would you say is more true? :
~ You somehow seldom-if-ever are able to discern when someone is making a point about something - whether sarcastic or not - that is intended for the sole purpose of getting others to think about what they are saying.
~ You never allow yourself to miss an opportunity to "play your tape" -- even if it means you are "correcting" someone that you actually agree with on a particular topic.
I am just wondering...
I did not say that the woman was "in the stars" -- I was questioning those who claim it -- by pointing out that - if the "woman of Revelation 12" was referring directly to an 'event' in the constellations of the heavens - then, surely the "dragon of Revelation 12" should also be present.
It is nice that you agree with me, but - "you are preaching to the man who just preached it to you" - only, in fewer words...
What is it with you, anyway? Do you simply 'react' to seeing my user name? Why do you always seem to think it is important to "correct" me even when you agree with me? Do you really actually read what I write, or do you assume that it is guaranteed that you will disagree with whatever I write? ( And, then - write a "correction" post even if you agree with me. )
I know you are not simply "talking to the crowd" - because, you addressed me specifically. And, you are not just "adding to what I said"; you took a whole different approach.
I really wish you would learn to more thoroughly read a post before you 'react' to it. It is a little bit 'awkward' when someone tries to "correct" something they actually agree with whole-heartedly...
Anyway...
I believe that people are prone to try to match the "few" details in scripture that align with something without considering "all" of the details that are present in scripture. ( i.e. - if the "woman of Revelation 12" is "in the stars", then where is the "dragon of Revelation 12" in that picture / scenario? If the passage is to be a complete and accurate description, I would think that the 'dragon' should be there with the 'woman' in that picture / scenario. )
ALL of the details of scripture have to match -- not just SOME of them.
~ You somehow seldom-if-ever are able to discern when someone is making a point about something - whether sarcastic or not - that is intended for the sole purpose of getting others to think about what they are saying.
~ You never allow yourself to miss an opportunity to "play your tape" -- even if it means you are "correcting" someone that you actually agree with on a particular topic.
I am just wondering...
I did not say that the woman was "in the stars" -- I was questioning those who claim it -- by pointing out that - if the "woman of Revelation 12" was referring directly to an 'event' in the constellations of the heavens - then, surely the "dragon of Revelation 12" should also be present.
It is nice that you agree with me, but - "you are preaching to the man who just preached it to you" - only, in fewer words...
What is it with you, anyway? Do you simply 'react' to seeing my user name? Why do you always seem to think it is important to "correct" me even when you agree with me? Do you really actually read what I write, or do you assume that it is guaranteed that you will disagree with whatever I write? ( And, then - write a "correction" post even if you agree with me. )
I know you are not simply "talking to the crowd" - because, you addressed me specifically. And, you are not just "adding to what I said"; you took a whole different approach.
I really wish you would learn to more thoroughly read a post before you 'react' to it. It is a little bit 'awkward' when someone tries to "correct" something they actually agree with whole-heartedly...
Anyway...
I believe that people are prone to try to match the "few" details in scripture that align with something without considering "all" of the details that are present in scripture. ( i.e. - if the "woman of Revelation 12" is "in the stars", then where is the "dragon of Revelation 12" in that picture / scenario? If the passage is to be a complete and accurate description, I would think that the 'dragon' should be there with the 'woman' in that picture / scenario. )
ALL of the details of scripture have to match -- not just SOME of them.
If you were offended, I apologize. But I went back to post #84 and it is just informational regarding that event in general. If "playing my tape" is in reference to teaching on the word of God, then, yes I do play that tape. The Lord gave me a strong zealousness for the truth and accuracy of His word and so I teach, correct, contend and rebuke depending on the issue. Regarding that post it was more about those who are trying to make this into a comic sign. This is what I said at the end of the post:
"These people who have made this into an astrological sign are just reading into the scripture what is not there."
Let me see, there were blood moons, the guy in California a few years back who wrongly predicted the end, after putting up billboards everywhere, that scared my DIL to death!
I was looking back through all the false predictions of the end on CC, and there were too many to link to.Going back to Hal Lindsey and Left Behind series, the end was 1988, 40 years after Israel became a nation. Then 1989!
Of course, the Crusades were about liberating Jerusalem, a "Millennium" after Jesus returned to heaven.
Then, there is the actual astronical data, which PH and others have repeatedly debunked!
All because of bad eschatology, a rapture not found in the Bible. I await the return of Jesus Christ. But, I am occupying till he comes, not following false prophecy to the end! I promise to quote all you people, who are verging on the edge of insanity with your willingness to swallow whole an unbiblical end times scenerio, and who fall easy prey to false prophets, over and over and over!
I was looking back through all the false predictions of the end on CC, and there were too many to link to.Going back to Hal Lindsey and Left Behind series, the end was 1988, 40 years after Israel became a nation. Then 1989!
Of course, the Crusades were about liberating Jerusalem, a "Millennium" after Jesus returned to heaven.
Then, there is the actual astronical data, which PH and others have repeatedly debunked!
All because of bad eschatology, a rapture not found in the Bible. I await the return of Jesus Christ. But, I am occupying till he comes, not following false prophecy to the end! I promise to quote all you people, who are verging on the edge of insanity with your willingness to swallow whole an unbiblical end times scenerio, and who fall easy prey to false prophets, over and over and over!
As I stated: "Those who are predicting with certainty that the church will be raptured on the 23rd should not be doing so. WE DO NOT KNOW."
I don't know who PH is, but can you link to a page or two where others have "debunked" the astronomical data?
The rapture is in the Bible. Preterism, including partial preterism, and amillennialism in general are bad eschatology.
I hope ALL Christians are.
As we ALL should be doing.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as to what "unbiblical" means.
Time will tell.
I don't know who PH is, but can you link to a page or two where others have "debunked" the astronomical data?
The rapture is in the Bible. Preterism, including partial preterism, and amillennialism in general are bad eschatology.
I hope ALL Christians are.
As we ALL should be doing.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as to what "unbiblical" means.
Time will tell.
Yes sir you are correct! And that is one of the major errors with understanding end-time events, that is, not recognizing that the gathering of the church as being a separate event from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. A good example of this is their reference to Matt.24:31 as referring to the church being gathered. They don't realize that those whom the angels will be gathering at the end of the age, will be those great tribulation saints who make it through the time of God's wrath alive and that the angels will be gathering people who are still in their mortal bodies.
The reference to "the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other" is referring to the four corners of the earth, i.e. the angels will gather people from all parts of the earth. This same phrase is used in Isaiah 13:
"Listen, a noise on the mountains, like that of a great multitude! Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms, like nations massing together! The Lord Almighty is mustering an army for war. They come from faraway lands,from the ends of the heavens—the Lord and the weapons of his wrath—to destroy the whole country. - (Isaiah 13:4-5)
As can be deduced from the scripture above, "the ends of the heavens" does not refer to people being gathered in the air, but is in reference to armies coming from "faraway lands."
The reference to "the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other" is referring to the four corners of the earth, i.e. the angels will gather people from all parts of the earth. This same phrase is used in Isaiah 13:
"Listen, a noise on the mountains, like that of a great multitude! Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms, like nations massing together! The Lord Almighty is mustering an army for war. They come from faraway lands,from the ends of the heavens—the Lord and the weapons of his wrath—to destroy the whole country. - (Isaiah 13:4-5)
As can be deduced from the scripture above, "the ends of the heavens" does not refer to people being gathered in the air, but is in reference to armies coming from "faraway lands."
There is nothing in preterism that is anti-semitic.
This is a mistaken belief. This charge of "replacement theology" is a false charge leveled at preterism by dispensationalists who claim the body of Christ will be replaced by a nation possessing the dirt in Palestine.
That is replacement theology if ever I have heard the charge.
Preterists state that the church as the new Israel started by the apostles and with Christ as it's cornerstone is the God authored plan as revealed by the prophets.
The physical nation of Israel as of the 1st century is no longer a nation "special" to God as it's shadow/type function is fulfilled in the body of Christ and the nationhood of believers.
1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name.
The slaying of Isa 65:15 was the judgment on apostate Judah/Israel for shedding the blood of the prophets and was meted out in the war of 66-70 AD by Christ's instrument the Romans armies.
This was the termination of the covenant with the flesh nation of Israel. Any supposed descendant of the Jew's that survived the war of the 1st century AD are more than welcome to be baptized into Christ.
This is a mistaken belief. This charge of "replacement theology" is a false charge leveled at preterism by dispensationalists who claim the body of Christ will be replaced by a nation possessing the dirt in Palestine.
That is replacement theology if ever I have heard the charge.
Preterists state that the church as the new Israel started by the apostles and with Christ as it's cornerstone is the God authored plan as revealed by the prophets.
The physical nation of Israel as of the 1st century is no longer a nation "special" to God as it's shadow/type function is fulfilled in the body of Christ and the nationhood of believers.
1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name.
The slaying of Isa 65:15 was the judgment on apostate Judah/Israel for shedding the blood of the prophets and was meted out in the war of 66-70 AD by Christ's instrument the Romans armies.
This was the termination of the covenant with the flesh nation of Israel. Any supposed descendant of the Jew's that survived the war of the 1st century AD are more than welcome to be baptized into Christ.
Well, when they did away with the literal interpretation of scripture and replaced it with allegories and historical fulfillment, you can make it say anything that you want. So true what you said about them making Israel/Jerusalem Babylon. Especially when Mystery Babylon is shown to be destroyed during that last 3 1/2 years by the beast and the ten kings, so much so that no one will ever be able to inhabit it again. While in opposition to this, Jerusalem is shown to be inhabited during the entire millennial period. Also regarding Israel/Jerusalem as being Babylon and being destroyed, scripture states that the woman/Israel flees out into the desert where she is cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years.
I'm sure that the 144,000 who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah during that time will have a part in preaching the gospel, as well as the two witness who will be prophesying during the first 3 1/2 years of the seven year period. Not to mention all of those who will have heard of the gathering of the church and all of the end-time events that they were told about prior to it happening. I'm sure that there will be a number of people, who after seeing these things coming to pass, will be interested in how they can avoid judgment in the lake of fire. Also, regarding the preaching of the gospel, we have the following that will take place:
"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
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so angel will preach on the streets,houses and churches?
the angel here is proclaiming the hour of his judgement.
the 144k are from tribes of israel...
they were sealed from one purpose ...to protect them from the angels destruction. they were not mentioned preaching the gospel...thats addition my friend to the story
the angel here is proclaiming the hour of his judgement.
the 144k are from tribes of israel...
they were sealed from one purpose ...to protect them from the angels destruction. they were not mentioned preaching the gospel...thats addition my friend to the story
