THE SOLUTION

[Lynx]

The solution, the Plan of Action, the way out, the roadmap for navigating all these problems... Anybody got one?

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We're waiting...

I hear a lot of conspiracy theories but the one thing missing from all of them is what we should be DOING about all this. A lot of people like to shout about something being wrong, but nobody ever has anything to say about any action we should be taking.

9/11 was planned? That's cheerful. So what do we need to do about it?

The moon landing was a lie? Well I never went to space, but what should we be doing about this?

The earth is really flat? Not sure who profits from that lie, but what do you want people to do about it?

Come on guys, give us some solutions already. We're tired of hearing about everybody in power and authority being against us. We're tired of hearing about The Big Lie. Give us something we can DO about it already.

 

[toinena]

Lynx. Have you been tricked by the illuminati and the Rosschilds and the free masons to believe there is no conspiracy? You are running the conspiracy theorits' errand by questioning the theory.

The only solution is:
Buy a small farm where you do micro farming.
Off grid, of course.
Solarpanel.
Own well and waterfilter.
own sewage
Build a bunker. Have seven years of food and water supply stored.
Marry someone that knows how to perserve food and to hunt.
You are already a Lynx, so you should do just fine.

No income, no taxes.
No illuminati, no worries.

 

[Paisley_buddie]

Get educated on tricks that governments play with their population like taking away permament freedoms for temporary security (hegelian dialectic)

form networks with like minded people and exchange information.

Get right with God learn as much as you can about the word and live the word.

presume that a banking collaspe is only 72 hours away from happening keep some supplies around for it.

 

[Lynx]

Get educated on tricks that governments play with their population like taking away permament freedoms for temporary security (hegelian dialectic)

form networks with like minded people and exchange information.

Get right with God learn as much as you can about the word and live the word.

presume that a banking collaspe is only 72 hours away from happening keep some supplies around for it.

The first two are just variations of the "We have to let people know!" that I always hear from conspiracy theorists.

Those last two though... that's good advice whether there's a conspiracy or not. The third one is always good advice, and the fourth one is something a lot of people should listen to. If the bank system ever did collapse - and it has come very close more times than we would want to know - they would be caught with their tails hanging out in the wind, as my uncle says. Some people would be starving in five days if all the ATMs stopped working.

 

[PoxEclipse]

One Solution?

Lynx. Have you been tricked by the illuminati and the Rosschilds and the free masons to believe there is no conspiracy? You are running the conspiracy theorits' errand by questioning the theory.

The only solution is:
Buy a small farm where you do micro farming.
Off grid, of course.
Solarpanel.
Own well and waterfilter.
own sewage
Build a bunker. Have seven years of food and water supply stored.
Marry someone that knows how to perserve food and to hunt.
You are already a Lynx, so you should do just fine.

No income, no taxes.
No illuminati, no worries.

I totally agree with Toinena on this suggestion.


I saw this concept years ago put forth by Max Igan (not his real name). I've spoken to him via e-mail and he seemed to be a very nice guy. I haven't kept up with his mission recently, but his concept seems sound. If everyone stopped working for just one week, the system would collapse...

Everyone staying home for a week will never happen because people don't know about this concept, that's where education/information comes into play.

What can you do in a practical sense? Inform everyone you know. Some will accept it, some won't. The people who accept it can make their own choices.

Global Non-Compliance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZx2tUCB9t8

Concerning living off-grid, there are some areas in which you can still live, but you will take a serious hit in your comfort levels, but then again, would you rather work/slave for a system to make zero to little head-way in collecting worthless trinkets as Max postulates, or, would you rather spend your time living off of the land as the Native American Indians did?

As I see things, the most important/valuable thing in the world we live in is TIME. You can spend your time in service to others, or in service to yourselves. When you pay taxes, very little money actually goes to public services, most is paid on interest to loans. Examine the 'debt clock' sometime. As of right now, the debt is listed as 20 trillion dollars. It's impossible to pay off, or even pay down that debt...and that's the magic of their method. It will never be paid off. Our children's children's children (and beyond) will slave as we do. And when the population rises to a certain level, we'll have another world war to thin out/cull the herd. Our lives (not just black) do not matter to them. Imagine how many slaved and died to build the palace at Versailles...that is the reality of our lives.


U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time


Inform everyone you know not to fight wars. War profiteering (and related debt) is one of their tools. If your government claims that N. Korea or Iran is a threat, don't believe them. It's just another wrestling match, stirring the crowd up into a frenzy of anger and fear. If someone tells you that there are terrorists lurking around every corner, remember, it's the CIA/KGB/MI6 type organizations that are promoting this agenda.

There are no James Bond spies protecting the USA, Inc. or any other government from terrorist organizations like SPECTRE. It's all brainwashing/conditioning the population to promote their own jobs...protecting the public from the big bad wolf. They will promote human rights crisis stories, and tug at the heart-strings of the population to protect the helpless in other countries, and when you sign up to go fight these international criminals, you'll find when you get there, you're really helping the UN suppress the freedoms of people who were doing just fine on their own.

Examine the story of Idi Amin...if memory serves, he allegedly had severed heads in his refrigerator. But did he really? Media agencies reported as much.

Idi Amin - Plague of Jewish Lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7actrUqwkyQ

Or examine the story of Muammar Gaddafi...or even Saddam Hussein...and I'm sure I'm going to draw A LOT of flak on this one but...Hitler.

Think about this, if almost every movie, news article vilifies Hitler, and we know the media organizations are owned and lie to us regularly, then why are they promoting Hitler hate with such passion? I really know nothing about him as I never knew the man, but this is an interesting story about Hitler that I came across recently...I highly recommend everyone watch this video about Poland. If this video is true, then...well, draw your own conclusions.

The True reason why Hitler attacked Zionist Poland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3V3D1aio_U


BTW, before I'm branded anti-semetic (the common label of which I've been called before)...I'm not anti-Hebrew or anti-Jew...Jews are being manipulated and exploited the same as the rest of us. If memory serves, Christ was a Jew.

I'm ANTI-ZIONIST.


Off the topic of politics and back to an off-grid solution...


This is one solution for living off-grid...

[video=youtube;8qe3FMbJ_8o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qe3FMbJ_8o[/video]

Here is a very beautiful tipi.

TIPI MONDAY MORNING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sefrl5twY

You can also consider yurts, though they are not as mobile.

Off-Grid Yurt Tour: A Tiny House Alternative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKG2LKYCb6g

Another solution...find an abandoned home and set up housekeeping...

Abandoned House Everything Left Behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MsBRlz9Y8

In short, the NOMADIC LIFESTYLE is one possible solution, provided you really want real freedom and all that it entails (doing for yourself).

The moment you BUY property, you're buying into servitude (taxes).

Could this be one reason why Christ was such a threat to the establishment.

Luke 10:4 Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.

Luke 22:35 Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered.


Peace.

 

[Blain]

There is no solution because while there is some truth in conspiracy a lot of conspiracy people are into it for the the hype, people thrive on chaos and on secrecy and honestly I bet if there was no secrecy or conspiracy they would make one up.
many are for conspiracy but there is a reason no one does anything about it

 

[Lynx]

Blain: That was actually my primary motivation, and the theory on which this thread was based. I wanted to see if anybody would actually have any useful suggestions or if they could do nothing but complain. So far the result is encouraging - there are some good suggestions. I even had to "like" a conspiracy theorist's post!

PoxEclipse, living a nomadic lifestyle has a certain barbaric attraction, but there is no unowned land these days on which to live it. Where you gonna stay? No matter where you hang out some farmer is going to come along and tell you to get the (censored) off his field. Even if you live in your car and park in a parking lot, the Wal-Mart staff will call the cop to go tell that bum out there to move along. You can't drive the highway 24-7, sleep and gas prices forbid it.

 

[Willie-T]

Or, you can scratch your head over the way the "Christian Reconstructionists" (Dominionists) are already trying to do something about it.

Hint: It does require a bit of reading and study.

 

[PeterJens]

Guys

You want to know history.
I spent part of today with a guy in his 80's helping him take scrap to a scrap metal place
to help with our building in faith fund.

We were talking about children and growing up.
He grew up with 4 other children, dirt poor. He had to wear the cloths of his elder brother
when he had grown out of them. His brother a bright lad, at 15 had to go to work rather
than stay in education though he literally was the best pupil in his school.

That was tough. Generation after generation bright people faced this future, a lost future
of toil and emptiness, struggle for little only to find disease and tragedy stole it away from you.

Now the world I grew up in, the 60's was the first decade of promise, the rise of computers,
mass industrialisation and the consumer boom. The worlds population has doubled since then
and my kids can literally chose their future.

This is like heaven in comparison. Night and day.
So solutions, we are living in the best solution there has ever been in this world and human
history to date, other than salvation through Christ.

Most of what you see is a direct result of His gospel working through people as a group.
Today most people will live to their 70's which is the first time ever in human history.

So the conspiracies have failed and socialism with free markets have worked.
And they work because no one group or individuals run it, it responds to need, constraints and
supply and demand. Because it is so real and direct it works like no other system before it has,
because human understanding and individual perception is too limited, you need a system like
this. It also need a free press, open discussion and education.

It is like nothing before it in history, and we do not know its future, because that is the point,
it responds as things develop, not as we dictate. If we can focus of righteousness and love,
there is a future, if not, things can go very dim. I follow love, so always hope for the best,
and to date, the Lord has blessed beyond my imaginings, so I have no reason to believe this
is not where we are going. But it is always one step at a time, so let us make each step
with Christ.

 

[Lynx]

PoxEclipse, two other objections: One, if everybody went off the grid and lived in abandoned buildings we would run out of abandoned buildings. Two, if everybody went off the grid there would BE no more grid, the whole infrastructure would collapse and you really would get your apocalypse scenario. The cause and effect would be reversed though, and conspiracy theorists would be in the awkward position of having CAUSED the destruction they were warning about for so long.

Of course that's if everybody went nomad all at once. That won't happen and we know it. But it's interesting to consider what would happen if everybody DID listen to you. It wouldn't be pretty.

 

[PeterJens]

PoxEclipse, two other objections: One, if everybody went off the grid and lived in abandoned buildings we would run out of abandoned buildings. Two, if everybody went off the grid there would BE no more grid, the whole infrastructure would collapse and you really would get your apocalypse scenario. The cause and effect would be reversed though, and conspiracy theorists would be in the awkward position of having CAUSED the destruction they were warning about for so long.

Of course that's if everybody went nomad all at once. That won't happen and we know it. But it's interesting to consider what would happen if everybody DID listen to you. It wouldn't be pretty.

There is a real irony here.

7 billion people and not enough food.
10 billion and we still need more food.

We are still in real collapse, without technological and real agricultural solutions war is inevitable.
One simple problem. Lack of building sand for concrete.

Our civilisation is built on building with concrete and we are running out of sand.
We are so vast in numbers these crises will grow, and each one we have to find
a solution or war comes.

In 2008 when the world economy almost melted the whole world moved to stop
this. This had never happened before.

Without shale oil, we would be in terminal oil decline.
Crisis after crisis has arisen and we have risen to help solve it.
Each generation has to be harnessed to this task, and we need to understand
better what we are as a total community.

It is so complex, we do not know quite what we are doing, but we are making
progress. That is staggering, and I say, it holds out significant hope.

I for one want a good future for my kids and their kids, and will fight to bring this
about. God bless you all.

 

[Lynx]

Peterjens this is very true. Even an "isolationist" country depends on other countries. How did they resolve to punish North Korea? By cutting off its material supplies from other countries.

We are in a rather interesting time when countries literally cannot afford to bomb other countries to slag, because we all depend on each other so much.

 

[PeterJens]

Peterjens this is very true. Even an "isolationist" country depends on other countries. How did they resolve to punish North Korea? By cutting off its material supplies from other countries.

We are in a rather interesting time when countries literally cannot afford to bomb other countries to slag, because we all depend on each other so much.

North Korea is a classic problem, an insane upstart country with only one thing that appears
to work, its army.

It will cause Japan and South Korea to develop atomic weapons.
So a small insane group, will turn a world into a potential dust bowl.

My daughter visited South Korea in the spring, and we have many Koreans in
our church, so this touches our church directly.

I pray there is a way out of this without insane threats and posturing.
One missile test by the North goes wrong, and all hell could break loose.

North Korea is so unhealthy as a whole culture, no one wants them, or to even
take them over, because they would take 40 years to help, and they are too far
gone. The danger is the internal politics and insane logic causes them to start
a fight, we do not want and cannot stop. This is how WW1 started, by accident.

 

[Willie-T]

Guys

You want to know history.
I spent part of today with a guy in his 80's helping him take scrap to a scrap metal place
to help with our building in faith fund.

We were talking about children and growing up.
He grew up with 4 other children, dirt poor. He had to wear the cloths of his elder brother
when he had grown out of them. His brother a bright lad, at 15 had to go to work rather
than stay in education though he literally was the best pupil in his school.

That was tough. Generation after generation bright people faced this future, a lost future
of toil and emptiness, struggle for little only to find disease and tragedy stole it away from you.

Now the world I grew up in, the 60's was the first decade of promise, the rise of computers,
mass industrialisation and the consumer boom. The worlds population has doubled since then
and my kids can literally chose their future.

This is like heaven in comparison. Night and day.
So solutions, we are living in the best solution there has ever been in this world and human
history to date, other than salvation through Christ.

Most of what you see is a direct result of His gospel working through people as a group.
Today most people will live to their 70's which is the first time ever in human history.

So the conspiracies have failed and socialism with free markets have worked.
And they work because no one group or individuals run it, it responds to need, constraints and
supply and demand. Because it is so real and direct it works like no other system before it has,
because human understanding and individual perception is too limited, you need a system like
this. It also need a free press, open discussion and education.

It is like nothing before it in history, and we do not know its future, because that is the point,
it responds as things develop, not as we dictate. If we can focus of righteousness and love,
there is a future, if not, things can go very dim. I follow love, so always hope for the best,
and to date, the Lord has blessed beyond my imaginings, so I have no reason to believe this
is not where we are going. But it is always one step at a time, so let us make each step
with Christ.

I can hardly believe what I just read. There is NO Free-Market with Socialism.

 

[tourist]

I can hardly believe what I just read. There is NO Free-Market with Socialism.

Maybe it was the Black Market.

 

[PeterJens]

I can hardly believe what I just read. There is NO Free-Market with Socialism.

Democratic socialism is legislated free markets with a social support system for the needs
of the people.

If you do not understand how this works in Europe, you do not understand politics.

America even has its version of socialism, and as the last election demonstrated almost
50% of the country want recognition of this across the USA.

But for the right wing, there is no difference between social responsibility and support and
communism, because their solution is unrestrained capitalism, which actually is just right
wing dictatorship. And Willie, after reading some of you political posts, I know where you
are coming from, lol

 

[Willie-T]

Democratic socialism is legislated free markets with a social support system for the needs
of the people.

If you do not understand how this works in Europe, you do not understand politics.

America even has its version of socialism, and as the last election demonstrated almost
50% of the country want recognition of this across the USA.

But for the right wing, there is no difference between social responsibility and support and
communism, because their solution is unrestrained capitalism, which actually is just right
wing dictatorship. And Willie, after reading some of you political posts, I know where you
are coming from, lol

Don't you even understand that the very consumers entrepreneurs manufacture for ARE the market's automatic restraints?

 

[Lynx]

Please, let's try to stay on topic here.

Thread title: THE SOLUTION

 

[Willie-T]

Democratic socialism is legislated free markets with a social support system for the needs
of the people.

If you do not understand how this works in Europe, you do not understand politics.

America even has its version of socialism, and as the last election demonstrated almost
50% of the country want recognition of this across the USA.

But for the right wing, there is no difference between social responsibility and support and
communism, because their solution is unrestrained capitalism, which actually is just right
wing dictatorship. And Willie, after reading some of you political posts, I know where you
are coming from, lol

How is a "legislated" market, "free?"

And who supports "a social support system for the needs of the people."? The legislated (controlled and taxed) manufacturers, that's who.

 

[Enow]

Guys

You want to know history.
I spent part of today with a guy in his 80's helping him take scrap to a scrap metal place
to help with our building in faith fund.

We were talking about children and growing up.
He grew up with 4 other children, dirt poor. He had to wear the cloths of his elder brother
when he had grown out of them. His brother a bright lad, at 15 had to go to work rather
than stay in education though he literally was the best pupil in his school.

That was tough. Generation after generation bright people faced this future, a lost future
of toil and emptiness, struggle for little only to find disease and tragedy stole it away from you.

Now the world I grew up in, the 60's was the first decade of promise, the rise of computers,
mass industrialisation and the consumer boom. The worlds population has doubled since then
and my kids can literally chose their future.

This is like heaven in comparison. Night and day.
So solutions, we are living in the best solution there has ever been in this world and human
history to date, other than salvation through Christ.

Most of what you see is a direct result of His gospel working through people as a group.
Today most people will live to their 70's which is the first time ever in human history.

So the conspiracies have failed and socialism with free markets have worked.
And they work because no one group or individuals run it, it responds to need, constraints and
supply and demand. Because it is so real and direct it works like no other system before it has,
because human understanding and individual perception is too limited, you need a system like
this. It also need a free press, open discussion and education.

It is like nothing before it in history, and we do not know its future, because that is the point,
it responds as things develop, not as we dictate. If we can focus of righteousness and love,
there is a future, if not, things can go very dim. I follow love, so always hope for the best,
and to date, the Lord has blessed beyond my imaginings, so I have no reason to believe this
is not where we are going. But it is always one step at a time, so let us make each step
with Christ.

Like a dictatorship where a king rules, socialism can only work when God puts good men in charge of it. That being said, is why it could never work since the King of Israel & the King of Judah sometimes go off track and disobey God for which the nation suffered because of it.

So do not expect any solution down here when men are corruptible; do expect the solution in the future from the King of kings after the great tribulation.