Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

I'm gonna be stepping back myself, at the end of the year...

Not hardly.....we need your witty responses, plain truth responses and your uncompromising stance against those who corrupt the gospel into a working for, I keep myself saved, sinless perfectionists Phariseeical religion....!

 

[TruthTalk]

Saved by Grace not by works
By C.H Spurgeon​

I. There Is Present Salvation.The apostle says, "Ye are saved." Not "ye shall be," or "ye may be"; but "ye are saved." He says not, "Ye are partly saved," nor "in the way to being saved," nor "hopeful of salvation"; but "by grace are ye saved." At this moment we are either saved or unsaved. That is clear. To which class do we belong? I hope that, by the witness of the Holy Ghost, we may be so assured of our safety as to sing, "The Lord is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."

II. A Present Salvation Must Be Through Grace.

If we can say of any man, or of any set of people, "Ye are saved," we shall have to preface it with the words "by grace." There is no other present salvation except that which begins and ends with grace. As far as I know, I do not think that anyone in the wide world pretends to preach or to possess a present salvation, except those who believe salvation to be all of grace.

Among those who dwell around us, we find many who are altogether strangers to the doctrine of grace, and these never dream of present salvation. Possibly they trust that they may be saved when they die; they half hope that, after years of watchful holiness, they may, perhaps, be saved at last; but, to be saved now, and to know that they are saved, is quite beyond them, and they think it presumption.

There can be no present salvation unless it be upon this footing—"By grace are ye saved." It is a very singular thing that no one has risen up to preach a present salvation by works. I suppose it would be too absurd. The works being unfinished, the salvation would be incomplete; or, the salvation being complete, the main motive of the legalist would be gone.

III. Present Salvation by Grace Must Be Through Faith.

A present salvation must be through grace, and salvation by grace must be through faith. You cannot get a hold of salvation by grace by any other means than by faith. This live coal from off the altar needs the golden tongs of faith with which to carry it. I suppose that it might have been possible, if God had so willed it, that salvation might have been through works, and yet by grace; for if Adam had perfectly obeyed the law of God, still he would only have done what he was bound to do; and so, if God should have rewarded him, the reward itself must have been according to grace, since the Creator owes nothing to the creature.

IV. Salvation by Grace, Through Faith, Is Not of Ourselves.

You cannot lay hold upon salvation by grace through your feelings. The hand of faith is constructed for the grasping of a present salvation by grace. But feeling is not adapted for that end. If you go about to say, "I must feel that I am saved. I must feel so much sorrow and so much joy or else I will not admit that I am saved," After you have believed, you can enjoy salvation by feeling its heavenly influences; but to dream of getting a grasp of it by your own feelings is as foolish as to attempt to bear away the sunlight in the palm of your hand, or the breath of heaven between the lashes of your eyes.

V. It Is the Gift of God.

Salvation is the gift of God: that is to say completely so, in opposition to the notion of growth. Salvation is not a natural production from within: it is brought from a foreign zone, and planted within the heart by heavenly hands. Salvation is in its entirety a gift from God. If thou wilt have it, there it is, complete. Wilt thou have it as a perfect gift? "No; I will produce it in my own workshop."

Thou canst not forge a work so rare and costly, upon which even Jesus spent his life's blood. Here is a garment without seam, woven from the top throughout. It will cover thee and make thee glorious. Wilt thou have it? "No; I will sit at the loom, and I will weave a raiment of my own!" Proud fool that thou art! Thou spinnest cobwebs. Thou weavest a dream. Oh! that thou wouldst freely take what Christ upon the cross declared to be finished.

It is the gift of God: that is, it is eternally secure in opposition to the gifts of men, which soon pass away. "Not as the world giveth, give I unto you," says our Lord Jesus. If my Lord Jesus gives you salvation at this moment, you have it, and you have it forever. He will never take it back again; and if he does not take it from you, who can? If he saves you now through faith, you are saved—so saved that you shall never perish, neither shall any pluck you out of his hand. May it be so with every one of us! Amen.

 

[loveme1]

Saved by Grace not by works
By C.H Spurgeon



I. There Is Present Salvation.The apostle says, "Ye are saved." Not "ye shall be," or "ye may be"; but "ye are saved." He says not, "Ye are partly saved," nor "in the way to being saved," nor "hopeful of salvation"; but "by grace are ye saved." At this moment we are either saved or unsaved. That is clear. To which class do we belong? I hope that, by the witness of the Holy Ghost, we may be so assured of our safety as to sing, "The Lord is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." II. A Present Salvation Must Be Through Grace.If we can say of any man, or of any set of people, "Ye are saved," we shall have to preface it with the words "by grace." There is no other present salvation except that which begins and ends with grace. As far as I know, I do not think that anyone in the wide world pretends to preach or to possess a present salvation, except those who believe salvation to be all of grace. Among those who dwell around us, we find many who are altogether strangers to the doctrine of grace, and these never dream of present salvation. Possibly they trust that they may be saved when they die; they half hope that, after years of watchful holiness, they may, perhaps, be saved at last; but, to be saved now, and to know that they are saved, is quite beyond them, and they think it presumption.
There can be no present salvation unless it be upon this footing—"By grace are ye saved." It is a very singular thing that no one has risen up to preach a present salvation by works. I suppose it would be too absurd. The works being unfinished, the salvation would be incomplete; or, the salvation being complete, the main motive of the legalist would be gone.
III. Present Salvation by Grace Must Be Through Faith.
A present salvation must be through grace, and salvation by grace must be through faith. You cannot get a hold of salvation by grace by any other means than by faith. This live coal from off the altar needs the golden tongs of faith with which to carry it. I suppose that it might have been possible, if God had so willed it, that salvation might have been through works, and yet by grace; for if Adam had perfectly obeyed the law of God, still he would only have done what he was bound to do; and so, if God should have rewarded him, the reward itself must have been according to grace, since the Creator owes nothing to the creature.
IV. Salvation by Grace, Through Faith, Is Not of Ourselves.
You cannot lay hold upon salvation by grace through your feelings. The hand of faith is constructed for the grasping of a present salvation by grace. But feeling is not adapted for that end. If you go about to say, "I must feel that I am saved. I must feel so much sorrow and so much joy or else I will not admit that I am saved," After you have believed, you can enjoy salvation by feeling its heavenly influences; but to dream of getting a grasp of it by your own feelings is as foolish as to attempt to bear away the sunlight in the palm of your hand, or the breath of heaven between the lashes of your eyes.
V. It Is the Gift of God.
Salvation is the gift of God: that is to say completely so, in opposition to the notion of growth. Salvation is not a natural production from within: it is brought from a foreign zone, and planted within the heart by heavenly hands. Salvation is in its entirety a gift from God. If thou wilt have it, there it is, complete. Wilt thou have it as a perfect gift? "No; I will produce it in my own workshop."
Thou canst not forge a work so rare and costly, upon which even Jesus spent his life's blood. Here is a garment without seam, woven from the top throughout. It will cover thee and make thee glorious. Wilt thou have it? "No; I will sit at the loom, and I will weave a raiment of my own!" Proud fool that thou art! Thou spinnest cobwebs. Thou weavest a dream. Oh! that thou wouldst freely take what Christ upon the cross declared to be finished.
It is the gift of God: that is, it is eternally secure in opposition to the gifts of men, which soon pass away. "Not as the world giveth, give I unto you," says our Lord Jesus. If my Lord Jesus gives you salvation at this moment, you have it, and you have it forever. He will never take it back again; and if he does not take it from you, who can? If he saves you now through faith, you are saved—so saved that you shall never perish, neither shall any pluck you out of his hand. May it be so with every one of us! Amen.

Doctrine of men? No wonder so many are confused..

Christ does speak much more after His words it is finished upon the cross to us..

I will stick to GOD's Truth me thinks.

 

[dcontroversal]

Doctrine of men? No wonder so many are confused..

Christ does speak much more after His words it is finished upon the cross to us..

I will stick to GOD's Truth me thinks.

This reeks of ignorace...no wonder you miss the mark....ACTS THRU REVELATION = the words of Christ...keep staying blind...not too bright!

 

[TruthTalk]

[video=youtube;NjOGX5zT8KU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOGX5zT8KU[/video]

Good Morning Jesus, Good Morning Dcon and NSW, Australia.

Current Local Time in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

6:12:00 am AEST
Monday, September 25, 2017
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Country: Australia
State: New South Wales (NSW)

Lat/Long: 33°52'S / 151°12'E
Currency: Australian Dollar (AUD)

 

[loveme1]

This reeks of ignorace...no wonder you miss the mark....ACTS THRU REVELATION = the words of Christ...keep staying blind...not too bright!

It is a doctrine of man that obviously is esteemed by men.. not really fitting for Bible discussion.. when a man feels the need to write many books to explain the Bible I'm weary.. for GOD gave us the Holy Bible to study to show ourselves approved. All these authors of confusion...

 

[dcontroversal]

[video=youtube;NjOGX5zT8KU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOGX5zT8KU[/video]

Good Morning Jesus, Good Morning Dcon and NSW, Australia.

Current Local Time in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

6:12:00 am AEST
Monday, September 25, 2017
◢
Country: Australia
State: New South Wales (NSW)

Lat/Long: 33°52'S / 151°12'E
Currency: Australian Dollar (AUD)

Amen bro....watching sunrise on Blue Mountains just west of Sydney in Penrith AU

 

[Rosemaryx]

It is a doctrine of man that obviously is esteemed by men.. not really fitting for Bible discussion.. when a man feels the need to write many books to explain the Bible I'm weary.. for GOD gave us the Holy Bible to study to show ourselves approved. All these authors of confusion...

Hi loveme1...When I God saved me nearly two years ago, I started out believing every preacher on the T.V and YouTube, I was so excited that I truly believed the all...Then I started losing interest in most of them and started to read my bible, and that is how I found out about the wolves...I started watching less and less preachers because I ended up fearing my head will get filled with lies, and it`s easy to fall into that trap when one is just started drinking the milk, but praise the Lord and thank God for His Holy Spirit to teach me in all His ways...People who I watch now, and there are not many, I feel more comfortable listening to them if they got the bible in their hand, not walking around with an empty hand popping back to their table every now and then for a sip of water, these tend to speak from their own head knowledge...Where would we be without the precious Word of God...xox...

 

[TruthTalk]

Amen bro....watching sunrise on Blue Mountains just west of Sydney in Penrith AU

Sure thing migo, do your work and take your breaks, Jet Lag is never far away......

I'll google Blue Moutains, our 12 year old niece just returned home to Thailand after a 5 year school visa in NSW, I've added Thai famly photo's on my profile and open PM, if anyone is interested; we're trying to put together a trip back to visit my wife's family the first of the New Year.

 

[loveme1]

Hi loveme1...When I God saved me nearly two years ago, I started out believing every preacher on the T.V and YouTube, I was so excited that I truly believed the all...Then I started losing interest in most of them and started to read my bible, and that is how I found out about the wolves...I started watching less and less preachers because I ended up fearing my head will get filled with lies, and it`s easy to fall into that trap when one is just started drinking the milk, but praise the Lord and thank God for His Holy Spirit to teach me in all His ways...People who I watch now, and there are not many, I feel more comfortable listening to them if they got the bible in their hand, not walking around with an empty hand popping back to their table every now and then for a sip of water, these tend to speak from their own head knowledge...Where would we be without the precious Word of God...xox...

You keep listening to GOD Rosemary.. ask for understanding .. sometimes it will not come straight away.. but the Holy Spirit will find a way to show you.. yet I'm sure you have felt all that joy and comfort and moments of oh I see now.. hehe..

Rosemary GOD had me go and witness to people at the Gospel Church that I had been born again.. they were eyeing me up to be Baptized into their Church.. but it was not to be so.. and so all these years on I'm ever learning .. Growing in Grace and knowledge of Christ.. test everything against the word of GOD.. if you are unsure ask for wisdom and understanding.. Rosemary you are a Blessing for us all.

P.s look at no commentary.. just the Word of GOD and a willing heart listening to the Holy Spirit.

 

[TruthTalk]

I see the I have to keep myself saved and forgiven group are still ignorant concerning the eternal redemption, forgiveness, justification, sanctification and salvation in Christ where the grace of God out bounds our sin..........still blind to the truth......what a tragic rejection of truth on their part!

Yes the Grace plus works people are still here that is why I posted this short "saved by grace, not by works", sermon. And I especially like the part that say's "go a head and set up your workshop."

Be well........

 

[PeterJens]

I have been walking with HIM, since Dec. 30th, 1977. AND HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL MY COMFORT, my STRENGTH, my ability to serve Him, my Peace with GOD, my LOVE, my HOPE, my FORGIVENESS, etc. Explain to me WHY the change in your attitude ? ? ? You appear to have put on a serious Christian Coat all of a sudden.

Not sure what you mean. I am following Jesus from my heart, so are not putting anything on.
I did ask you your foundations, but you appear to have ignored what I was asking.

God bless you.

 

[PeterJens]

Not hardly.....we need your witty responses, plain truth responses and your uncompromising stance against those who corrupt the gospel into a working for, I keep myself saved, sinless perfectionists Phariseeical religion....!

I do not think you could hit a barn door standing in front of it.
Unless you can discern who is following this from those faithful to the Lord you are just in sin
and being a condemner of the brethren.

The fact this does not bother speaks about the state of your heart.
You justifications are as empty as the accusations themselves. It is interesting who listens to
you, because by their agreement they demonstrate their loyalty.

 

[VCO]

Hi loveme1...When I God saved me nearly two years ago, I started out believing every preacher on the T.V and YouTube, I was so excited that I truly believed the all...Then I started losing interest in most of them and started to read my bible, and that is how I found out about the wolves...I started watching less and less preachers because I ended up fearing my head will get filled with lies, and it`s easy to fall into that trap when one is just started drinking the milk, but praise the Lord and thank God for His Holy Spirit to teach me in all His ways...People who I watch now, and there are not many, I feel more comfortable listening to them if they got the bible in their hand, not walking around with an empty hand popping back to their table every now and then for a sip of water, these tend to speak from their own head knowledge...Where would we be without the precious Word of God...xox...

I watched a sermon by Dave Hunt the author of "The Seduction of Christianity" some time ago, and in that video he was warning that particular Charismatic Church: "If a Witch Doctor came into this church dressed in his war paint and feathers, trying to take over the pulpit, two of you men would grab him by each arm and throw him out the front door. But what I fear is if that same man came in here in a suit and tie, toting a Bible; you would listen to him all day long."

So yes, there are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there, especially in these last days, Mat. 24:24, Mat. 7:13-27, Gal. 5:19-26. These days, most ministries have a Doctrinal Statement Faith (What We Believe) posted on their Website, so I have made it a habit to compare their Doctrinal Statement of Faith, to a known good one. That has saved me from wasting time on some unbelievably bad sites. I get suspicious when their Statements have NO VERSES for references to back up those Doctrinal Statements, and I get RED FLAGS when one of those Statements contradicts a known Good One. Here is a link to a known Good One in my opinion:

https://ihcc.org/About/WhatWeBelieve

 

[UnderGrace]

Well I hope it is only for a short time

Taking a step back from the forum

 

[Rosemaryx]

I watched a sermon by Dave Hunt the author of "The Seduction of Christianity" some time ago, and in that video he was warning that particular Charismatic Church: "If a Witch Doctor came into this church dressed in his war paint and feathers, trying to take over the pulpit, two of you men would grab him by each arm and throw him out the front door. But what I fear is if that same man came in here in a suit and tie, toting a Bible; you would listen to him all day long."

So yes, there are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there, especially in these last days, Mat. 24:24, Mat. 7:13-27, Gal. 5:19-26. These days, most ministries have a Doctrinal Statement Faith (What We Believe) posted on their Website, so I have made it a habit to compare their Doctrinal Statement of Faith, to a known good one. That has saved me from wasting time on some unbelievably bad sites. I get suspicious when their Statements have NO VERSES for references to back up those Doctrinal Statements, and I get RED FLAGS when one of those Statements contradicts a known Good One. Here is a link to a known Good One in my opinion:

https://ihcc.org/About/WhatWeBelieve

Hi VCO...Thank you for that, and a great way to describe the wolves, the devil appears in many ways...I will check out the link tomorrow, thank you for taking your time to show me this...Good night and God bless...xox...

 

[dcontroversal]

I do not think you could hit a barn door standing in front of it.
Unless you can discern who is following this from those faithful to the Lord you are just in sin
and being a condemner of the brethren.

The fact this does not bother speaks about the state of your heart.
You justifications are as empty as the accusations themselves. It is interesting who listens to
you, because by their agreement they demonstrate their loyalty.

You should know by now the only one's who see value in your posts are the same one's that are as blind as bats without echo location.....as far as my ability to hit things......more fluff from a fluff ball....!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well I hope it is only for a short time

I hope never.....I like Bill......

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes the Grace plus works people are still here that is why I posted this short "saved by grace, not by works", sermon. And I especially like the part that say's "go a head and set up your workshop."

Be well........

No doubt......the same one I see that compares the imputed righteousness of the Holy Son of God to Jesus Spray while saying the cross is not enough.....I wonder what Jesus will say as God in that day to him....Depart From Me I Never Knew You??

 

[TruthTalk]

Doctrine of men? No wonder so many are confused..

Christ does speak much more after His words it is finished upon the cross to us..

I will stick to GOD's Truth me thinks.

Hi loveme1; I took you off "Ignore" just to let you know that many times I cannot understand your posts (like this one), and that you are quick to pass false judgments on good sound doctrines of the bible, calling them doctrines of men. You are wrong in principle and wrong in your applications of scripture, back to the land of "Ignore" the land that time forgot.