Made righteous, holy or Christs righteousness covering

[PeterJens]

Scripture appears to say we are righteous because of our faith.

Paul says righteousness cannot come through obeying the law.

It seems we link righteous to being a good person, not having sin, being perfect.
It has the feeling of being isolated, self contained, self sufficient.

Some say talking about behaviour is just supporting the idea of independence.
In this thinking dependence is salvation, and only exists because we cannot to the
right things and fail, and without this failure we would not need God.

A different view has grown in my thinking. Love and righteousness is about mutual
dependency and interaction. It is about acknowledging mutual giving and receiving
and taking joy in the process and its reality.

So one can obey the law 100% but not actually be loving or connected with others.
So God is saying when we acknowledge our dependency on God, our needs being met
by Him, that independence is the illusion of this world, the denial of what is and how it
all works, it is independence, an identity that is also dependent through love to others
and from others.

Right behaviour reflects this reality when understood from the heart.
We need Christ, the cross, life, food, sun, sleep, shelter, comfort, support, care.
We are integrated, every moment of every day, yet our hearts want to say, I am
important and matter, so I must snatch, steal, struggle, fight, demand, have.

So what does scripture say and how is this expressed.

I do not hide your righteousness in my heart; I speak of your faithfulness and your saving help. I do not conceal your love and your faithfulness from the great assembly.
Psalm 40:10

One who loves a pure heart and who speaks with grace will have the king for a friend.
Proverbs 22:11

I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
John 5:42

just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 5:21

Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
1 Peter 2:2

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
Rom 3:25-26

We are made righteous by accepting the atonement of Christ through faith.

All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.
Acts 10:43

For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
Heb 10:14

And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:10

We are made perfect, we are made holy through Christ and his sacrifice.

This sounds very different from we are sinners continually sinning and defeated
without hope of the slavery being broken until we have a new body at the resurrection.
So who are we believing? Scripture or man? Our struggles or the resurrection of Christ?

 

[Dan_473]

reminds me of a passage,
Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

 

[eternally-gratefull]

reminds me of a passage,
Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

So christ died the atoning death to pay for sins, as he claimed. or did he not?

 

[PeterJens]

So christ died the atoning death to pay for sins, as he claimed. or did he not?

Let me expand what is being asked here.

The claim is Christ atoned for all sins past, present and future for the whole world, so that
judgement is no longer for sin, but belief in Christ.

This heretical belief removes obligation on believers or anybody to stop sinning.
It is an insane proposition that the problem with sin is Gods judgement, not that sin
brings death into the lives of the people who commit it.

It is a lie of the enemy, which downplays behaviour and puts everything just on faith.
In one strike all of Gods testimony about the lostness of man shown by their behaviour
is removed. It is not just belief.

I see this as a man claiming he loves a woman as he rapes her.
Their theology is this far gone and insane, no one outside the world of religion would
accept these guys know anything other than trying to excuse their guilt.

Dig deeper and they will say, conviction for sin is evil, from satan, God does not convict
about sin. What? Are you joking?

Jesus is Jonah, coming with the message of judgement unless they repent.
The sign of Jonah, Jesus's death and resurrection, is the sign judgement will fall.

Sin is the issue. In the book of revelation, the people are judged because they were
judged with plagues but they still did not repent.

The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Rev 9:20

So these folk appear to be believers but have removed the core issue in the gospel,
sin and judgement that stands against it.

 

[gb9]

I have peter on ignore, but just wanted to remind everyone that no one is sinless. only Christ was sinless. peterjens thinks he does not sin. he is wrong.

 

[PeterJens]

I have peter on ignore, but just wanted to remind everyone that no one is sinless. only Christ was sinless. peterjens thinks he does not sin. he is wrong.

Here is the lie spoken.
I have sinned in the past, am not sinning now as I write and walk in faith about the future.

Listen to God

For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
Heb 10:14


And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:10

We are both perfect and Holy, undefiled because of the blood of Jesus accepted by
faith into our lives through repentance.

If as gb9 claims I am on ignore, why is he responding here, other than to continue his
slander and lies.

Now what gb9 is saying is unbelief, because he is claiming I and everyone live in unforgiven
sin, even when we have faith in Christ which is heresy and unbelief.

I wonder at how people can say they follow and believe Jesus yet deny His words and promise.
On the day of resurrection how is this unbelief turned into resurrection life, when sin was not
only ignored, it was claimed it was not a problem just as the world claims who are doomed to
hell.

 

[preacher4truth]

I have peter on ignore, but just wanted to remind everyone that no one is sinless. only Christ was sinless. peterjens thinks he does not sin. he is wrong.

PeterJens has attacked the righteousness of Christ, the cross, security in Christ he has referred to as an idol, Christ's imputed righteousness as a neat little trick that doesn't work, and has called others lost who rest secure in His work and personally has called me this several times.

I'm not so concerned with what he thinks concerning my salvation, as he is a known false teacher and has offered many false accusations. I am rather concerned with his attack upon the Gospel, upon the imputation of His righteousness, calling this truth "Jesus Spray" among other blasphemous remarks he has made concerning Christ.

These behaviors are in addition to his slanderous remarks of several on here.

After being called on his blasphemous remarks against the Gospel, he makes a new thread in attempt to clean up his previous mess. Then he reverts later on, after some pressure subsides, to calling others lost, blaspheming the Gospel again, and slandering Christ's righteousness clothing the saved again as "Jesus Spray."

But it appears obvious this false teaching is acceptable on this forum, along with the calling others lost who embrace the Gospel and rest in Christ's atoning work.

 

[PeterJens]

PeterJens has attacked the righteousness of Christ, the cross, security in Christ he has referred to as an idol, Christ's imputed righteousness as a neat little trick that doesn't work, and has called others lost who rest secure in His work and personally has called me this several times.

I'm not so concerned with what he thinks concerning my salvation, as he is a known false teacher and has offered many false accusations. I am rather concerned with his attack upon the Gospel, upon the imputation of His righteousness, calling this truth "Jesus Spray" among other blasphemous remarks he has made concerning Christ.

These behaviors are in addition to his slanderous remarks of several on here.

After being called on his blasphemous remarks against the Gospel, he makes a new thread in attempt to clean up his previous mess. Then he reverts later on, after some pressure subsides, to calling others lost, blaspheming the Gospel again, and slandering Christ's righteousness clothing the saved again as "Jesus Spray."

But it appears obvious this false teaching is acceptable on this forum, along with the calling others lost who embrace the Gospel and rest in Christ's atoning work.

There is a series of lies here.
1. Christ has always been righteous and will always be perfect
2. Righteousness is reconned to believers through faith, it is not Christs imputed righteousness.
3. Hiding on going sin under the veil of Christ is rebellion and heresy

It is obvious you p4t love slander and lying, and have no problem doing all these things with
impunity. I have shown the scriptural foundation of my points which you have failed to oppose
or show any grounds for your accusation and suggesting I am commiting blasphemy.

I will always condemn hidden sin as sin, as Jesus commands us to confront sin, and those
who refuse to repent to be excluded from the fellowship.

The problem with your position is you cannot oppose it, have no arguments which makes you
very angry so wish to stir up and slander some more.

Security in Christ resides on one thing, we love God from the heart and walk in His ways.
It appears this is too much for you to cope with, and when exposed you must rampage
on. I hope the light of Jesus's love dawns on your heart and you become free from your
doctrinal prison of ideas and learn how to walk in the Kingdom of Jesus's glorious resurrection.

 

[posthuman]

Have you ever slept through all your alarms in the morning, only to have God stir you awake just in time?

You should thank and praise Him, for sure!

But you'd be foolish not to set the alarm fir the next day, testing His grace.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader, make no mistake about it, the religious hate it when their cover for
sin is removed.

What will happen to them if they have to face their unresolved feeling and actions
of the past and all the religious doctrines they so carefully have constructed fall
apart.

The truth is if people repent and get right with God, revival, renewal and the anointing
of the Holy Spirit.

What is at stake here? Unconfessed sin and emotional chaos that is ruling peoples lives
and simply not believing in the power of the cross to transform and truly save.

People have been religious so long, they have lost the ability to be real and face who they
are, which is something they have been running away from their whole lives.

The pharisees who had to face this, did one thing. They killed Jesus.
So I expect nothing less from unrepentant sinners who hate the truth.

 

[loveme1]

I have peter on ignore, but just wanted to remind everyone that no one is sinless. only Christ was sinless. peterjens thinks he does not sin. he is wrong.

Peter is provoking us to love and do good works.. we believe when we hear and do.. for the do is the belief in Christ moving a person to be Faithful... bearing fruit through His Root to which we are branches grafted in to when we believe...

Christ does not have to accept anyone one of us into the Kingdom of GOD.. we don't wave a pass and say let me in I believed you were my Righteousness.. and only you are perfect.. the Kings already knows His excellence...for the King will judge us by our works of Faith... some believe this is to earn rewards in Heaven.. like a free pass in and then the work gives extra.. A gift can not be earnt.. no but it can appreciated and received with gratitude... to be under Grace at Liberty is to Love and serve GOD in Spirit and Truth.


To write those things about a person you ignore is mean.. Peter believes what is written obeying from the heart and may the King alone pass judgement in good time.

 

[gb9]

Peter is provoking us to love and do good works.. we believe when we hear and do.. for the do is the belief in Christ moving a person to be Faithful... bearing fruit through His Root to which we are branches grafted in to when we believe...

Christ does not have to accept anyone one of us into the Kingdom of GOD.. we don't wave a pass and say let me in I believed you were my Righteousness.. and only you are perfect.. the Kings already knows His excellence...for the King will judge us by our works of Faith... some believe this is to earn rewards in Heaven.. like a free pass in and then the work gives extra.. A gift can not be earnt.. no but it can appreciated and received with gratitude... to be under Grace at Liberty is to Love and serve GOD in Spirit and Truth.


To write those things about a person you ignore is mean.. Peter believes what is written obeying from the heart and may the King alone pass judgement in good time.

all I am saying is that no one, by using the Biblical definition of sin, is sinless. that's it. I am not calling anyone derogertory names.

so, if one gets insulted because someone else tells them the TRUTH, based on the standards that the Bible lays out, the TRUTH that no one keeps all of these standards every hour of everyday, then they are a sinner, well then that is not my fault. that would be on them for rejecting reality.

because that what a sinner is- someone who fails to keep the standards that God laid out. knowing to do good and not doing so.

this is not my opinion. that is what the Bible says. I believe the Bible. we are told not to add to nor take away from. I try my best not to. I cannot say the same for mr. jens.


he does not recognize these things as truth, he seems to want to invent his own truths loosely based on the Bible, but not accepting what the Word actually says. that is why he is on ignore.

 

[Bogadile]

Will we soon get to heaven by just "being a good person"? And believe does not mean believe Jesus died for you, but believe means do what Jesus said, feed the poor and thou shalt be saved. Is that the gospel of today?

It is strange why people cannot be content with the simple "believe on the Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved". There always has to be something more..

 

[loveme1]

all I am saying is that no one, by using the Biblical definition of sin, is sinless. that's it. I am not calling anyone derogertory names.

so, if one gets insulted because someone else tells them the TRUTH, based on the standards that the Bible lays out, the TRUTH that no one keeps all of these standards every hour of everyday, then they are a sinner, well then that is not my fault. that would be on them for rejecting reality.

because that what a sinner is- someone who fails to keep the standards that God laid out. knowing to do good and not doing so.

this is not my opinion. that is what the Bible says. I believe the Bible. we are told not to add to nor take away from. I try my best not to. I cannot say the same for mr. jens.


he does not recognize these things as truth, he seems to want to invent his own truths loosely based on the Bible, but not accepting what the Word actually says. that is why he is on ignore.

So where are you provoking us to love and do good works?

You came in to remind all no one is without sin... what good comes of that? Could you not of offered this:

1 John 2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Now John really puts things in to perspective for us...

How long will folks remain blind to this.. we are to Keep the Commandments.. who keeps His Word is the love of GOD perfected.. if you do not this the Truth is not in you..

 

[NayborBear]

Although, it is true that "whosoever believes in Him, SHOULD not perish, BUT, have everlasting life." This statement of fact by John, doesn't say that the believer would not perish, does it? It says, the believer SHOULD not perish! Should a believer liken the difference in the definition between would not, and should not, to Jesus' "parable of the talents", the believer may gain a firmer grip on another "effort" (work) of faith, by "pressing on", to the High Calling, OF GOD, IN Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior! The believer may well be asking the question: "Just what is this verse talking about?" Well? If, or when the believer believes that the GOVERNMENT that is on the shoulders of Jesus Christ, is higher, yet still in Christ? Then, the believer has a direction to proceed.

 

[gb9]

So where are you provoking us to love and do good works?

You came in to remind all no one is without sin... what good comes of that? Could you not of offered this:

1 John 2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Now John really puts things in to perspective for us...

How long will folks remain blind to this.. we are to Keep the Commandments.. who keeps His Word is the love of GOD perfected.. if you do not this the Truth is not in you..

if you keep reading , ( you should, you are reading a letter ) chapter 3 v.23- " and this is his commandment, that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love one another, just as he commanded us ".

nothing about " prove salvation by works ", that is man-made teaching.

 

[loveme1]

if you keep reading , ( you should, you are reading a letter ) chapter 3 v.23- " and this is his commandment, that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love one another, just as he commanded us ".

nothing about " prove salvation by works ", that is man-made teaching.

That is not taking anything away but affirming what is written... so you have it all not one over the other but all.. for We are also taught to Love GOD just as he commanded.. so it affirms what the Messiah taught.. so I can keep reading all the way through and near the end in Revelation it is written about the saint Keeping the Commandments of GOD and Have The Faith of Jesus... and so on to Blessed are those that do His Commandments.. that they may have the right to the Tree of life.. well we know the Tree of life means to live forever.. which is eternal life.. which is guarded yet the Messiah rewards us by giving us the right..

So what you share above is not used in place of to overide but affirms..

 

[gb9]

That is not taking anything away but affirming what is written... so you have it all not one over the other but all.. for We are also taught to Love GOD just as he commanded.. so it affirms what the Messiah taught.. so I can keep reading all the way through and near the end in Revelation it is written about the saint Keeping the Commandments of GOD and Have The Faith of Jesus... and so on to Blessed are those that do His Commandments.. that they may have the right to the Tree of life.. well we know the Tree of life means to live forever.. which is eternal life.. which is guarded yet the Messiah rewards us by giving us the right..

So what you share above is not used in place of to overide but affirms..

I am not trying to override anything. we are to keep the commands of God- love the Lord God with all your heart, all your mind, all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

that is what Jesus said. now, do we do that perfectly all the time , without fail? no. there is a word for falling short of God' s commands - a sinner.

so, yes, we are to obey. but does anyone perfectly obey all the time, without fail? no. which is back to what I said earlier- no one is sinless.

 

[garee]

Scripture appears to say we are righteous because of our faith.

Scriptures says we have the righteousness of Christ because of His work of faith (not of ourselves). We are righteous because of His faith .Not ours towards him coming from the imaginations of our own hearts.He considers that dead works, it places one in the Hebrews 6 boat. One sacrifice was not enough to pay the entire sin debt to them .

Paul says righteousness cannot come through obeying the law.

Yes only Christ could obey that law perfectly . The letter kills. It is His Spirit that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure it heals.

It seems we link righteous to being a good person, not having sin, being perfect.
It has the feeling of being isolated, self contained, self sufficient.

It has to do with the good work, only God is good. even the Son of man as that seen rejected being called good .We walk by faith the unseen. His faith that works in us gives us the confidence to know if he has begun the good work by giving us a new spirit that will never die but will be raised on the last day

Some say talking about behaviour is just supporting the idea of independence.

Not independent of His work of faith as a labor of His love.

A different view has grown in my thinking. Love and righteousness is about mutualdependency and interaction. It is about acknowledging mutual giving and receiving and taking joy in the process and its reality.

God will not share his glory with a corrupted creation.

So what does scripture say and how is this expressed.

I do not hide your righteousness in my heart; I speak of your faithfulness and your saving help. I do not conceal your love and your faithfulness from the great assembly.
Psalm 40:10

Yes we do not hide the rightuousness of God in our heart . It speaks of his work of faith that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed rightousnes. It reveals His love to us

One who loves a pure heart and who speaks with grace will have the king for a friend.
Proverbs 22:11

Only new born again creatures have a new heart and spirit . They alone will not be found with a righteousness that could come from a work they could perform. Those who look to a righteousness of their self do not have the love of God in their hearts .but rather do despite to the Spirit of Grace coming from his work of faith.

I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
John 5:42

Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours
1 Peter 2:2

Yes through the righteousness of Christ we have received the precious faith of our faithful Creator.

We are made righteous by accepting the atonement of Christ through faith.

Yes without the faith of Christ working in our heart no man could please God.

We are made perfect, we are made holy through Christ and his sacrifice.

Amen. In that way we know unless we are found in him not having own righteousness. We receive the righteousness of His faith, the righteousness which is of God by His faith: can’t have faith in or towards him , unless he gives us His faith towards us. First things first.


Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[loveme1]

I am not trying to override anything. we are to keep the commands of God- love the Lord God with all your heart, all your mind, all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

that is what Jesus said. now, do we do that perfectly all the time , without fail? no. there is a word for falling short of God' s commands - a sinner.

so, yes, we are to obey. but does anyone perfectly obey all the time, without fail? no. which is back to what I said earlier- no one is sinless.

So if you believe that why not encourage that, that is what Peter is trying to share.. he is not saying I'm perfect and sinless I'm saving myself but believing to the saving of his soul.. which then bears good fruit from the True Vine who is perfect and without sin.. so if the True Vine states we are to be perfect and Righteous we believe Him.. and then share His message to those who have come to accept they sin and are dead in their trespasses but feel secure because Christ will give them eternal life because their lack of belief is now taught as the most righteous thing.. but it is keeping them from the Truth that sets them free being born again by Grace through Faith of the Holy Spirit.. which many believe they have been but have not. They are liberated in the lie of my one off moment makes me good to go.. Genuine Repentance and Belief is a Spirit changing event.. and the incorruptible seed receives the Good water it will grow.. as in Grow In Grace and knowledge of Christ... as in believing unto the saving of our soul.. Hearing and doing..